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  • multiracialbookclub
    Listed below is an excerpt from post I made in thread at another Mixed-Race discussion forum. ... Statement(s): (from wergifts2
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      Listed below is an excerpt from post I made in 
      thread at another Mixed-Race discussion forum.


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      Statement(s):       (from "wergifts2" <soaptalk@h...>)



       Fact #1)   There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black".

       Fact #2)   The term "light-skinned Black" is an OXYMORON.

       Fact #3)   If a person who has been categorized as "black"
                             
      is also "light skinned" that means that they are
                              Mixed-Race ... and that they are not 'Black'.


       Fact #4)   A person's Socio-Political "Identification" is not
                             the same thing as their "Ancestral Admixture"


      Question:    
      (from "chief_mulatto_native" <zacariascaramelo@...>):

      I agree with you, but what about Frank
      Sweet's view that
      there are light skinned
      Africans -- without admixture -- in Africa ?


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      Answer:       (from "wergifts2" <soaptalk@h...>)


      Here is my view in regards to the speculations presented
      by Mr. Sweet -- and thank you, by the way, for asking:


      Fraud Sweet is not a Geneticist and he has absolutely
      no background whatsoever in the field of Genetics.

      Sweet is simply an individual who, now having completed
      his Master's degree in History, enjoys falsely presenting
      himself as being an alleged expert in the field of Genetics.

      The TRUE expert in the field of Genetics is famed
      scientist
      Dr. Luigi Cavelli-Sforza (who, by the
      way, is not only the world's leading Geneticist, but is
      also known as ' the Father of Modern Genetics' and is
      the Executive Director of 'The Human Genome Project').

      Dr. Cavelii-Sforza has proven repeatedly that various and
      biased speculations -- such as those consistently made by the
      Fraud Sweet's of the world -- wherein false claims are made
      about "light-complexioned / non-admixed populations being
      found in Africa " -- are simply without any merit whatsoever.

      Dr. Cavelli-Sforza and his team of the world's top experts in
      the field of Genetics (and multiple teams besides his) have
      done genetic studies on these light-complexioned Africans
      (who are falsely alleged to have been non-admixed people).

      Cavelli-Sforza's team of the world's top experts in the
      field of Genetics -- has repeatedly proven that they were

      ALL of
      continually Mixed-Race lineage throughout
      the multiple generations of their various families
      .

      They have proven the same thing in regards to

      North African, East African, Polynesian
      and Aboriginal populations as well.

      In addition, Sweet (the guy with a Master's degree in History
      and no background whatsoever in the field of Genetics) ----
      is also one of those individuals who both believes in and who  
      chooses to tout the false so-called "statistic" that the various
      MGM-Mixed members of the largely (+70%) multi-racially
      admixed Ethnic group that is currently known by the misnomer
      of African-American (AA) actually have a White / European
      lineage of no more than a mere 18-20% (AND he also practically
      refuses to acknowledge any of their Amerindian lineage altogether).

      Dr. Cavelli-Sforza (the world's leading Geneticist) -- and his team
      composed of the world's top experts in the field of Genetics has --
      on the other hand -- repeatedly PROVEN that the average

      (+70%) person born to two parents who are of the AA 'Ethnic' group
      has a minimum White / European lineage of no less than 30%.

      In addition, his team is currently looking into studies on
      the rather
      obvious
      Amerindian lineage of the AAs as well.

      Here is more information to support the studies,
      the claims and the conclusions of
      the world's leading
      Geneticist and the Father of Modern Genetics -----
      Dr. Luigi Cavelli Sforza (who is the Executive Director
      of the Human Genome Project) --- and his team of the
      world's top experts in the field of Genetics in regards
      to the documented and proven Mixed-Race lineage of
      groups such as the so-called African-Americans (AAs):

      [[[[

      Most AAs have 20-30% European
      & +25% Amerindian Admixture


      The figures listed below clearly support data
      repeatedly presented that says most people
      who are
      born to two parents who are both
      members of the largely `Multi'-racially-Mixed
      `Ethnic' group that is currently referred to by
      the misnomer of `African-American' (AA) 
      .... have, on average, a +20%-30%
      European and a +25% Amerindian
      ancestral blood lineage admixture.

      [Note: The largely `Multi'-racially-Mixed `Ethnic'
      group known as African-American (AA) is
      not
      the same as the `Mono'-racial `Race'
      group known as `Black-American' (BA).]


      Some data is available via an internet link – other
      may require looking at a book or research thesis.

      THE FACTS regarding the +30% White European admixture
      that is found in the ancestral lineage of most (+70%) of all AAs


      *****"MtDNA data exist for many of
      these same groups; estimates of the
      European-American genetic contribution to the
      African-American gene pool were 27.5%-33.6%
      …

      In addition, admixture between African-Americans
      and European-Americans may have occurred to
      different extents in different parts of the U.S. further
      contributing to geographic structure in the patterns
      of genetic variation in African-American populations.

      Similar concerns hold for the other ethnic
      U.S. populations, in particular Hispanics,
      as they are defined primarily by cultural
      criteria and not geographic origin…. ~

      27.5%-33.6% of African-American
      Y-chromosomes were determined to
      be of European-American ancestry
      …
      the resulting estimate of the European-American
      genetic contribution to African-Americans was
      32.6%, which is not significantly different
      from the estimate of 33.6%...

      We found no significant heterogeneity among
      regional groups of African-Americans …........
      the amount of admixture of African-Americans
      with European-Americans is thought to have
      varied across different geographic regions
      of the U.S., with generally higher levels of
      admixture observed in Northern groups …
      other studies find a more complex relationship between
      the amount of admixture and geographic region ...…

      Our estimates of the European-American
      genetic contribution to African-Americans
      are quite similar across regional geographic
      groups and do not vary significantly …

      A further complicating factor is migration among
      geographic regions within the United States …
      migration of African-Americans within
      the United States may have been extensive …

      The lack of geographic heterogeneity observed
      in African-American mtDNA and Y-chromosome
      types may thus reflect this …

      Previous studies 'based on nuclear loci '
      have generally found ~20% European genetic
      contribution to African-American populations …


      Our results indicate substantially
      higher contribution of European-American
      Y-chromosome
      (27.5%-33.6%) … this
      disparity
      in admixture estimates for the Y-chromosome
      versus mtDNA reflects the greater genetic
      contribution of European-American men

      than women to African-Americans
      during the slavery period.


      Our results support the view that the dynamics
      of the European-American genetic contribution
      to African-Americans is more complicated than
      a simple north-south division would suggest …

      The European-American genetic
      contribution to African-Americans was
      estimated by two different methods
      .

      --- The first method is based on a coalescent approach
      that incorporates both allele frequencies as well
      as the molecular distance among alleles …

      --- The second method is an assignment test …
      calculated on the basis of genotype frequencies …

      SOURCE:
      [[(Destro-Bisol, G., Maviglia, R., Caglia, A., Boschi, I.,
      Spedini, G., Pascali, V., Clark, A., and Tishkoff, S. 1999.
      Estimating European admixture in African Americans by using
      microsatellites and a microsatellite haplotype (CD4/Alu).
      Hum. Genet. 104: 149-157 .Jackson, F. 2000.
      Anthropological measurement:
      The mismeasure of African Americans.
      Ann. Am. Acad. Pol. Soc. Sci. 568: 154-171 .
      Parra, E., Marcini, A., Akey, J., Martinson, J.,
      Batzer, M., Cooper, R., Forrester, T., Allison,
      D., Deka, R., Ferrell, R. 1998.
      Estimating African American admixture proportions
      by use of population-specific alleles.
      Am. J. Hum. Genet. 63: 1839-1851."
      http://www.shouxi.net/journal/articleinfo.aspx?art_id=43735]]]]

      FACT:

      *****"African Americans, on the average,
      have … 30% European ancestry.
      Skin color is an imperfect measure …

      Possibly the best method tests blood groups;
      different racial groups have different rates
      of certain blood groups, allowing one to
      make a statistical estimate of ancestry."

      SOURCE:
      [[
      http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0005/ai_2699000597]]

      And it is also recommended that people either
      purchase of pick up a copy from their local
      library of the book "Genes, People and Languages"
      -- written by Dr. Luigi Cavelli-Sforza (who is
      the world's leading geneticist and director
      of the Human Genome Diversity Project).

      – wherein Dr. Cavelli-Sforza concludes a 30%
      European admixture found within
      the ancestral
      lineage of the average person who is a member
      of the African-American `ethnic' group.

      FACT:

      [[[Other … terms [used] to refer to
      African-Americans are mulatto and colored. …
      While not as common as "mixed" or "biracial,"
      or even "multiracial," mulatto is still
      sometimes used to refer to people of
      mixed parentage and,
      despite its origin.]]

      SOURCE:
      http://www.tea-center.com/articles/African_American
      http://www.ranau.net/articles/African_Americans?mySession=dcfbc604d85635cd1bd4f54a0cf3933c
      http://www.1-bike.com/articles/African_American?mySession=267816c413c3b3960847c142399cbf87 ]]]

      Listed below  are some links regarding the AAs and a brief essay on
      the impact that the dreaded, racist `One-Drop Rule' has had on them
      in acknowledging that they are a largely(+70) multi-racial `Ethnic'
      group – much like Latinos, Arabs, Metis, etc. are also Mixed-Race.

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      ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY:

      [["From the very beginning, racial categorization
      was an expression of social status (value)
      of particular groups in society.

      Race was considered by the "White" elite
      as a natural distinction in human identity.

      Following the US Constitution, "Blacks" were
      counted as three-fifths of a person, and
      until 1850 "Blacks" in the US census were
      categorized as either "slave" or "free colored".

      Early censuses did not count Indians unless
      they were "Civilized" the latter being those who
      did not live on reservations and who paid taxes.

      The 1870 census classified the indigenous
      population as "Pure Indians" and "Half-breeds".

      Only after 1924, when American Indians were
      given citizenship,
      they began to be classified in a
      single racial category according to the US census.

      The 1850 and 1860 censuses used the categories
      "Black" and "Mulatto" (tabulations would aggregate
      under the term "colored") for free African descended
      people, and from the 1910 to the 1930 census the
      term "Mulatto" was used again together with
      "Negro" to classify African descendents.

      The temporary usage of a term [mulatto] to
      classify admixed people in the US census
      supported the polygenist theory of the superiority
      of "Whites", which additionally contended that
      hybrid racial species were less fertile and
      had shorter life spans than pure-race persons.

      For this purpose, the class "Mulatto" was
      defined as including anyone having
      any percentage of African blood.

      "Mulatto" was perceived by the color of the
      skin by census enumerators and was not
      based on genealogical history.

      It referred to people in whom the mixture
      of "White" and "Black" was visible.

      [As a result, a lot of people who actually were
      'authentic mulattoes' -- yet had a phenotype which
      reflected more of their 'Black' lineage rather than
      their non-Black lineage -- were not included in the
      numeration if the census worker decided that they
      would choose to see them as 'Black' instead.

      In addition, many people who were actually
      of Quadroon or Octoroon lineage were
      erroneously listed as Mulatto prior to 1890.]

      The 1890 census "refined"
      this admixed racial category:

      Besides "Mulattos" it included the categories
      "Quadroon" (one Black grandparent or one
      mulatto parent and the other white) and
      "Octoroon" (a Black great-grandparent or
      one Quadroon parent and the other White)
      to further distinguish the level of Black blood.

      The "Mulatto" category remained in the 1910
      and 1920 censuses, but was dropped in 1930 by
      census officials who claimed it was inaccurate.

      Consistent with racist laws, the terminology
      for admixed populations was eventually
      substituted by "Non-White" categories based
      on the "One Drop of non-White Blood" rule.


      The 1930 US census stated that "a person
      of mixed White and Negro blood should be
      returned [classified] a Negro, …p.1741).

      The ideology behind the "One-Drop" rule was one
      against miscegenation  and shaped the "Black"
      and "White" racial divide of the US population....

      It was not that admixture did not exist .... but that it
      was seen as something to be prevented and reduced.

      From then until the 2000 census,
      racial classification in the United States did
      not give any room for multiracial classification.

      Nonetheless, in earlier censuses, a small
      number of persons checked the "other"
      race category and specified that they
      belonged to multiple-race categories.…

      The concept of race based on ancestry in
      the US racial taxonomy and the absence
      of a multiracial category is likely to raise
      difficulties for many admixed people."]]

      SOURCE:

      http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0102-311X2004000300003&lng=en&nrm=iso&tlng=en

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      MORE COMMENTARY:

      [[[Other … terms [historically used] to refer to
      African-Americans are Mulatto and Colored. …

      While not as common as "mixed" or as
      "biracial," or even "multiracial," mulatto is
      still sometimes used to refer to people of
      mixed parentage and,
      despite its origin.]]

      SOURCE:

      http://www.tea-center.com/articles/African_American
      http://www.ranau.net/articles/African_Americans?mySession=dcfbc604d85635cd1bd4f54a0cf3933c
      http://www.1-bike.com/articles/African_American?mySession=267816c413c3b3960847c142399cbf87


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      "chief_mulatto_native" <zacariascaramelo@...> wrote:

      I agree with you, but what about Frank Sweet's view that
      there are light skinned Africans without admixture in Africa?

      I want to hear your comment on that one.


      "wergifts2" <soaptalk@...> wrote:


       Fact #1)   There is no such thing as a "light-skinned Black".

       Fact #2)   The term "light-skinned Black" is an OXYMORON.

       Fact #3)   If a person who has been categorized as "black"
                             
      is also "light skinned" that means that they are
                              Mixed-Race ... and that they are not 'Black'.


       Fact #4)   A person's Socio-Political "Identification" is not
                             the same thing as their "Ancestral Admixture"

    • multiracialbookclub
      . As noted -- even the very term of Light-Skin Black is just a Racist-Oxymoron that was created by Racial-Supremacists -- in an effort to mock and degrade
      Message 31 of 31 , Apr 20 12:19 AM
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        .
        As noted -- 
        even the very term of "Light-Skin

        Black" is just a Racist-Oxymoron that 
        was created by Racial-Supremacists -- 
        in an effort to mock and degrade the 
        Black-Bloodlines that are found in 
        a Mixed-person's ancestral lineage.


        To choose to use any such anti-black /
        racist-terms like that of "Light-Skinned 
        Black" ... is to embrace the
         (black-blood 
        degrading) and racist-'One-Drop Rule' 
        (ODR)
         -- which falsely-claims that any 
        black-blood ancestral-lineage is "filth".

        No non-racist should ever embrace the racist-ODR 
        or even encourage 
        or tolerate the use of any ODR-based 
        (or the 
        ridiculously-Oxymoronic and clearly-False) terms and labels 
        (such as the racist-term of "Light-Skinned Black"). 

        And yet --- a surprisingly-large number of very uninformed Black people exist --- 
        who 
        will just happily-embrace (something that's such a clear and obvious-insult to 
        themselves" known as) 
        ... the racist-ODR -- (EVEN THOUGH THE RACIST-ODR 
        WAS BANNED in the U.S. BY 
        the U.S. SUPREME COURT back in 1967 via it's 
        decision in the 'Loving vs. VA' case) 
        -- AND -- they will happily engage in such
        odd 
        behavior all in their mis-guided attempts to force a 'false' black-label on
        others --only 
        to then later turn-around and try to whine about what they refer
         to as being some 
        sort of light-skin "privilege" (as if being racially-kidnapped
        should be viewed as 
        being some sort of a "privilege") ... and "colorism"

        Also -- Mixed-Race people ... [NO MATTER IF the Mixed-Race person 
        is 
        of the Mixed-Race 'Type' that is called FIRST-Generation Multiracially-Mixed
        (which is also known as '
        FGM-Mixed') -- OR -- if the Mixed-Race person is of 
        the Mixed-Race 'Type' that is called 
        MULTI-Generation Multiracially-Mixed 
        (which is also known as 'MGM-Mixed') --- (1) are NOTand also NEVER 
        were, racially-Black people; (2) NEVER requested to be 
        categorized or even viewed as 
        being racially-Black people and 
        (in the United States) ... Mixed-Race people 
        (3) were only FORCED 
        into being
         falsely-categorized as racially-Black FROM the 
        1930-'Federal' Census TO the 1967-'Loving' Case 
        (... wherein the U.S. Supreme Court AGREED that Mixed-Race is NOT 
        racially-Black -- AND -- the Supreme Court also AGREED that 
        Black-blood was and is NOT an "inferior taint" to humankind).

        AND it truly does seem that ... the ONLY people that WANT to 
        FORCIBLY appl
        y
         the false-category and the false-label of being 
        racially-"Black"
         (or want to apply the equally racist-oxymoronic 
        term of "Light-Skinned Black"onto Mixed-Race people (of any 'Type') 
        .
        are ... EITHER the 
        .
        (A) 'White-Supremacists'
         ... that embrace the racist-'One-Drop Rule' due to their 
        belief that Black-blood is "a filthy-taint and is  an inferior-contaminant that can only destroy"
        Image result for superiority complex
        ...OR... are the

        (B) 'Black-Inferiorists'
         ... who happily engage in racial-kidnapping 
        (in forcing a "black" categorization and label onto Mixed-Race people) 
        due to all of these Believers in 'black-inferiority' 
        being 
        so very DESPERATE that they are willing 
        to embrace the racist-'One-Drop Rule' in their
         
        irrational and misguided-effort 
        to attempt to EXPAND the 
        Definition of "black" beauty, 
        leadership and success via 
        the 
        act of racially-kidnapping as many of the 
        Mixed-Race 
        people as they possibly can 
        (particularly those of MGM-Mixed lineage).
        .
        FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER 
        .. feel free to see
         the Links that are found below ... 
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