Sounds like I'd do pretty well there then. I guess I'll check the flights ;)
Philip Arnell <trigueno03@...> wrote:
Wow Peter this floors me. I had no idea of this.
Neither does my wife, she is actually from france.
You know I have heard people from the caribbean say
dont have children with a dark person becasue it will
ruin the look of the family, I have always hated that.
One thing I dont like about my wifes family in guadeloupe
is that they are a bit on the closet racist side.
Meaning they all seem to have this entality that
get with a white guy to have a beautiful child,
one of them did this just for that reason, now she
really ignores her first child whos father is black.
My wifes family on her mothers side
are african and east indian decent.
In guadelupe they tend to have a slaves mentality
and will flock to a white person in a second or
will throw themselves at a lighter complected person.
that is one of the things that I dont like about living there.
Peter Barrett <barac1998@...> wrote:
Yes really, I'm afraid he is right. The Blue vein Society and
other organizations. That is part of our old American history.
It however has had a profound effect on on us to this day.
You could say not old stuff like that was still going on in the 60's.
They were trying to get as close to the European look that they
could. It had an effect on both light and dark. If you had
kinky hair you trying to get it straight, if you had straight
or wavy hair you were trying to make it frizzy or coarse
to have an Afro during the Black Power time period.
Most of us are mixed so ther is a great chance you
would marry some one who is mixed as well in America.
My wife and I both are as well. I didn't see
it that way when we married. She has
Caribbean/Panamania n/Jewish/ African Ancestry.
You wouldn't think that by meeting her.
We all know the deal.
By the [way] Lynn, when are you going to shoot us
another beautiful poem of yours / I need a lift.
In Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com
, Philip Arnell <trigueno03@ ...> wrote:
no way really?? OMG!! I have never heard that one before.
We all have our preferences, but come on,
I married a woman who is also from a mixed background, it just
happend to be that way, she honestly could have been anything.
She still would have been a pain in the neck , lolol .
I married for character, most people dont do that ever.
j s <creolescience@ yahoo.com
The hair texture and skin color issues are also alive and well
the south. I remember hearing about the "Paper bag test"
(if you are darker than th ebag you are too dark), 'comb
test'(if a comb can't run through your hair it's too nappy)
and "The Blue Vein Society" which meant that you had to be
able to show a blue vein on your wrist to be a member. Philip Arnell <trigueno03@yahoo. com> wrote:
I hear you Lynn,
For caribbean families some things are a little more tolerant
to a degree, but in all truth , the caribbean is a very
predjudiced environment, some islands more than others,
and there is the same thinking from different directinos,
My Barbados family doesnt particularly like fair skinned people.
Though they originated more than half from white settlers. They
kind of ostricized my mother and her family to a degree. To this
very day over 100 years later they still refer my grandmother as
the white girll on the
hill, even people that never even met her.
My Anguilla family , are extreemly color conscious. They dont seem
to favor the dark complexion and they are very caught up in hair.
The St. Martin family is along the same guidelines but a little
diferent depending on what section of the family. I would have
to say the Aruba section of my family is the most open minded
My cousins that grew up in the states here have no real concept of
who they are and just put themselves in a catagory, and decided
to be content with that, shunning where they really came from.
Partially becasue their parents never educated
them and this passed down to their kids.
The other reason is they chose to be ignorant, then there is another
group that just abandoned their culture all together. And cringe
at meeting unknown relatives that remind them of who they are.
Some relatives I have met on the street in the business
disticts of NYC, they
were with co workers and just
introduced me by my name, not by my relation to them.
I have always been open to my background and have even
been called a liar to it, and told i had to choose,
I guess that is the slave mentality in them
or the slave maters mentality for others.
Peo[ple always get uncomfrotable when it comes to this.
Did I ever send you my books through email? Please let me know.wintyreeve@aol. com
[[RE: As a person of a multiracial background,
I have met many ignorant people. They were
not educated in regard to people in general.
My question for the group is, within your own families,
have you ever felt predjudice from your own?
Have anyone in your families ever try to keep you
or others at a distance keeping a family apart?
If so, how did you handle it? ]]
I would honestly say that I get a "mixed" response from my
Those people who do seem to resist talking about our multi-racial
lineage, people who seem to hide from their own identity.
People who stubbornly cling to their own notion of
"reality" and exclude all else---to me seem to be
coming from a place or fear and/or ignorance.
I would not say that my family is predjudiced
against being mixed race. Rather, it seems they
1) Do not know their own mixed race identity and if given a
choice would prefer to be labelled by the obvious skin color
2) May have some idea of their own mixed race identity
but out of fear, shame or denial choose to ignore it,
and go by the "monoracial" type they are labelled as.
And alot of this has to do with past
experience and things passed down
I would also say that living in the North is very
different than living in the South, and that maybe
the attitudes, and traditions of the environment
also has shaped my family's
I do my best to be open minded, and
learn about other people's perspectives.
If someone is willing to talkI will offer my point
of view but I really don't try to change people.
I know that change is something you have to want for yourself.
And I also know that what I think, feel, etc. is not
the "One Answer"...there is a lot, also, I can learn.