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  • stefaniedunning@aol.com
    Hi everyone, I thought I d post in to say hello and introduce myself. My name is Stefanie and I m really looking forward to participating in the discussions
    Message 1 of 17 , Jun 5, 2006
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      Hi everyone,
       
      I thought I'd post in to say hello and introduce myself. My name is Stefanie and I'm really looking forward to participating in the discussions here.
       
      I am an FGM, my mother was black (she died in November) and my father white. I could get more specific (my mother's grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, my father's mother was an Irish immigrant and his father a German immigrant) but we'll let the easier labels apply (though of course, I just didn't).
       
      My husband is Sri Lankan and we've just had our first child (she is 3 months old). It never occurred to me to think about all the ways mixed race stuff impacts my life. I am just me--my husband is was brought to my attention by an African American friend who asked me, "How does it feel to be in an interracial relationshipjust him--you know, we fell in love and got married. I never thought about the race aspect of it, until it ?"  That's a crazy *ss question any way (it feels like any other good relationship feels), but my response was to feel that any one I dated, more or less, would mean I was in an "interracial" relationship.  But this is the thing--as cliched as it may sound, I really just see people as people first. Then something happens (they say something or whatever) that makes me "remember race."
       
      My extended family is also very mixed race--one of my brothers is married to a Filipina-American woman and they have 4 kids; my other brother is married to a white woman and they just had their first baby this past Thursday! (Samuel is his name, 8lbs 5oz!)
       
      I am excited to be here and look forward to some great discussions.  I hope our conversations will broaden and deepen my thinking about these issues for a capstone I am teaching in the fall, Miscegenation and mulattos in Amercan Literature, 1865 to the present.
       
      Thanks!
       
      Stefanie
    • multiracialbookclub
      Hi Stefanie, Welcome to Gen-Mixed !!! [:)] We are very happy to see that you are a part of our online community and are confident that you will make many
      Message 2 of 17 , Jun 5, 2006
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        Hi Stefanie,

        Welcome to 'Gen-Mixed'!!! :) 

        We are very happy to see that you are a part of our online community and
        are confident that you will make many great new friends here and have the
        opportunity to engage in some really interesting conversations and discussions. =D>

        Thank you for sharing the information about yourself
        and your very "racially" admixed extended family.
        Congratulations on the birth of your new born and your newest nephew.
        (In additon, please note that our condolences go out to you and your family
        on the recent loss of you mother and you are in all of our prayers as well.).


        Also -- you made a really good point about the conversation you had with your friend
        -- because -- as Mixed-Race people -- unless we date or marry someone who is of our
        own admixture / lineage -- we really are in an 'interracial relationship' -- regardless.:-?

        Thanks again for writing and sharing and we are really glad to meet you.
        Have a great day.

        --M

        stefaniedunning@... wrote:

        Hi everyone,

        I thought I'd post in to say hello and introduce myself.
        My name is Stefanie and I'm really looking forward
        to participating in the discussions here.
         
        I am an FGM, my mother was black (she died in November) and my father white.
        I could get more specific (my mother's grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee,
        my father's mother was an Irish immigrant and his father a German immigrant)
        but we'll let the easier labels apply (though of course, I just didn't).
         
        My husband is Sri Lankan and we've just had our first child (she is 3 months old). 
        It never occurred to me to think about all the ways mixed race stuff impacts my life.
        I am just me--my husband is was brought to my attention by an African American
        friend who asked me, "How does it feel to be in an interracial relationship
        just him -- you know, we fell in love and got married.
        I never thought about the race aspect of it, until it ?" 
        That's a crazy *ss question any way (it feels like any other good
        relationship feels), but my response was to feel that any one I
        dated, more or less, would mean I was in an "interracial" relationship. 
        But this is the thing--as cliched as it may sound,
        I really just see people as people first.
        Then something happens (they say something
        or whatever) that makes me "remember race."
         
        My extended family is also very mixed race--one of my brothers
        is married to a Filipina-American woman and they have 4 kids;
        my other brother is married to a white woman and they just had
        their first baby this past Thursday! (Samuel is his name, 8lbs 5oz!)
         
        I am excited to be here and look forward to some great discussions. 
        I hope our conversations will broaden and deepen my thinking about
        these issues for a capstone I am teaching in the fall, Miscegenation
        and mulattos in Amercan Literature, 1865 to the present.
         
        Thanks!
         
        Stefanie
      • wintyreeve@aol.com
        Welcome to Generation Mixed Stefanie:) Sounds like you are very close to your family. Congrats on the birth of your new nephew, Samuel. It is is very
        Message 3 of 17 , Jun 7, 2006
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          Welcome to Generation Mixed Stefanie:)
           
          Sounds like you are very close to your family. Congrats on the birth of your new nephew, Samuel. It is is very interesting to hear your story, thanks for sharing. I am so sorry about the death of your mother, I will keep you & your family in my prayers.
           
          The class you are teaching sounds facinating...I look forward to learning more from you.
           
          In the Light~ Lynn
           
           
        • stefaniedunning@aol.com
          Thanks for the welcome Lynn! ... From: wintyreeve@aol.com To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:30:50 EDT Subject: Re:
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            Thanks for the welcome Lynn!
             
             
             
            -----Original Message-----
            From: wintyreeve@...
            To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 00:30:50 EDT
            Subject: Re: [Generation-Mixed] Introducing myself

            Welcome to Generation Mixed Stefanie:)
             
            Sounds like you are very close to your family. Congrats on the birth of your new nephew, Samuel. It is is very interesting to hear your story, thanks for sharing. I am so sorry about the death of your mother, I will keep you & your family in my prayers.
             
            The class you are teaching sounds facinating...I look forward to learning more from you.
             
            In the Light~ Lynn
             
             

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          • stefaniedunning@aol.com
            Hi all, I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month where he attempts to use DNA to trace
            Message 5 of 17 , Jun 8, 2006
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               Hi all,
               
              I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?
               
              I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?
               
              I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were!  For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry.  Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones.  So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.
               
              I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?
               
              Stefanie
              .



            • Christel Allen
              Hi Stefanie (and all!), I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first; Hi everyone! I m excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I
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                Hi Stefanie (and all!),

                I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first; Hi everyone! I'm excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I am a senior at Santa Clara University, days from graduation, actually. I'm an extremely ambiguous blend of Dark Irish, French Calvinists, Sioux Indian, Indigenous Tarasco, and  Spanish Conquistadores, yet I look similar to Asian/Pacific Islanders occasionally I'll even forget I'm not (kidding....) My Dad fully believes somebody on the Chinese boats that came to North America 1,000 years ago fooled around with one of our ancestors. I'm less convinced.

                But that thought in the back of my head is one reason I decided to immerse myself into the growing cluster of research on Mixed research for my journalism senior capstone, a feature on the inconclusive and occasionally contradicting research on Mixed people, and what it tells us, and doesn't, about the future of the booming population of Mixed Americans, and other populations worldwide.

                Websites like www.dnaancestryproject.com, for a fee, will map my genetic ancestry and tell me whether or not my dad has case for our Asian ancestry.

                My story touches on some the some of issues you brought up in your questions, when I cover the genetics involved in Mixed studies. One article I've found extremely interesting came from Stanford. I couldn't find a link, but here's some excepts.


                Stanford Law Review
                October, 2003
                Redefining Race: Can Genetic Testing Provide Biological Proof of Indian Ethnicity?

                By Eric Beckenhauer

                ... A Chukchansi Indian from the foothills of Fresno, she lives in a two-room trailer with her daughter, mother, and brother. ... It then explains, in Part III, how a legislative attempt to enable Indians to "prove" their ethnic identities through genetic testing, besides demonstrating a failure to understand these limitations, provoked outrage among Indian communities. ... Since tribal membership requirements are generally tribe-specific, so-called "mixed bloods" may be entirely Indian by heritage, without having an adequate blood quantum to merit membership in any particular tribe. ... " Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed on the tribal census of either 1928 or 1940. ... Of the principal methods of ascribing genetic characteristics to specific ethnic groups, it is clear that: (1) variant analysis has little power to identify the ethnicity of individuals; (2) EAE, though more powerful than variant analysis, requires additional refinements and has not yet been successfully applied to Indian populations; and (3) identification of private polymorphisms, particularly via Y-chromosome and mtDNA analysis, is an accepted means to define the common genetic characteristics of an ethnic group, and an accurate means to determine whether an individual has some degree of Indian ancestry. ...  


                Good luck with your writing, if you'd like to share contracts and resources, just let me know!

                Cheers,

                Christel


                 
                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, stefaniedunning@... wrote:


                Hi all,

                I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month
                where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?

                I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if
                there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?

                I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were! For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry. Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones. So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.

                I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?

                Stefanie.




              • Philip Arnell
                I saw that special , it was fantastic. I soon will be taking the ad mixture test. stefaniedunning@aol.com wrote: Hi all, I was wondering if any of you saw the
                Message 7 of 17 , Jun 9, 2006
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                  I saw that special , it was fantastic. I soon will be taking the ad mixture test.

                  stefaniedunning@... wrote:
                   
                   Hi all,
                   
                  I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?
                   
                  I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?
                   
                  I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were!  For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry.  Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones.  So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.
                   
                  I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?
                   
                  Stefanie
                  .




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                • Philip Arnell
                  Hi Christel, My name is Philip Arnell and there are perhaps 2 theories to your asian appearance. The first theory is that Asians did come to this country
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                    Hi Christel,
                     
                    My name is Philip Arnell and there are perhaps 2 theories to your asian appearance. The first theory is that Asians did come to this country before columbus, even the africans did too so I have heard. So there is a possibility that somewhere in your lineage there may have been an asian influence. The second is that native americans do have an asian lineage, just like people from india. They allegedly are a cross between africans and asians and this is what was produced. There is more to the story, but I am basically giving you the upfront part.
                     
                    I am a carib american, I have researched my family as far as 500 years on my mothers side and about 300 years on my fathers. It has been documented and inducted into 3 museums thus far. if you would like to see it I will send it to you. It would be from a website called "yousendit.com". Do you think that I could put it on this email? Would it go through?

                    Christel Allen <christel.allen@...> wrote:
                    Hi Stefanie (and all!),

                    I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first; Hi everyone! I'm excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I am a senior at Santa Clara University, days from graduation, actually. I'm an extremely ambiguous blend of Dark Irish, French Calvinists, Sioux Indian, Indigenous Tarasco, and  Spanish Conquistadores, yet I look similar to Asian/Pacific Islanders occasionally I'll even forget I'm not (kidding....) My Dad fully believes somebody on the Chinese boats that came to North America 1,000 years ago fooled around with one of our ancestors. I'm less convinced.

                    But that thought in the back of my head is one reason I decided to immerse myself into the growing cluster of research on Mixed research for my journalism senior capstone, a feature on the inconclusive and occasionally contradicting research on Mixed people, and what it tells us, and doesn't, about the future of the booming population of Mixed Americans, and other populations worldwide.

                    Websites like www.dnaancestryproject.com, for a fee, will map my genetic ancestry and tell me whether or not my dad has case for our Asian ancestry.

                    My story touches on some the some of issues you brought up in your questions, when I cover the genetics involved in Mixed studies. One article I've found extremely interesting came from Stanford. I couldn't find a link, but here's some excepts.


                    Stanford Law Review
                    October, 2003
                    Redefining Race: Can Genetic Testing Provide Biological Proof of Indian Ethnicity?

                    By Eric Beckenhauer

                    ... A Chukchansi Indian from the foothills of Fresno, she lives in a two-room trailer with her daughter, mother, and brother. ... It then explains, in Part III, how a legislative attempt to enable Indians to "prove" their ethnic identities through genetic testing, besides demonstrating a failure to understand these limitations, provoked outrage among Indian communities. ... Since tribal membership requirements are generally tribe-specific, so-called "mixed bloods" may be entirely Indian by heritage, without having an adequate blood quantum to merit membership in any particular tribe. ... " Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed on the tribal census of either 1928 or 1940. ... Of the principal methods of ascribing genetic characteristics to specific ethnic groups, it is clear that: (1) variant analysis has little power to identify the ethnicity of individuals; (2) EAE, though more powerful than variant analysis, requires additional refinements and has not yet been successfully applied to Indian populations; and (3) identification of private polymorphisms, particularly via Y-chromosome and mtDNA analysis, is an accepted means to define the common genetic characteristics of an ethnic group, and an accurate means to determine whether an individual has some degree of Indian ancestry. ...  


                    Good luck with your writing, if you'd like to share contracts and resources, just let me know!

                    Cheers,

                    Christel


                     
                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, stefaniedunning@... wrote:


                    Hi all,

                    I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month
                    where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?

                    I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if
                    there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?

                    I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were! For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry. Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones. So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.

                    I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?

                    Stefanie.





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                  • wintyreeve@aol.com
                    RE: Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed
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                      RE: Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed on the tribal census of either 1928 or 1940. ...
                       
                      I read this book called "Night Flying Woman" by Ignatia Broker. "Night Flying Woman" is about the Ojibway history and family memories passed down to Ignatia. Ignatia briefly discusses her own life but I think she could have discussed more about what life is like, in modern times, for the Ojibway in urban areas and how she developed her own sense of self and culture while being so far from her roots. Anyways, Ignatia goes into what life was life, early in American history for the Ojibway and how things changed with modernization, pressures by Christian churches encroaching on their way of life, and by the dominance of European culture & values on the Ojibway. Reading "Night Flying Woman" you get a good sense of how the blood quantum laws developed... And not only blood quantum but also how the sense of identity, what it meant to be Ojibway changed. What I liked about "Night Flying Woman" is that it is written in a very personal narrative, you feel like Ignatia is speaking right to you.
                       
                      Blessings, Lynn
                       

                      Ignatia Broker (Ni-BO-WI-SE-GWE) , 1919-1987

                      Ojibwe

                      Ignatia Broker was concerned with bridging generation gaps for the Ojibway. She was born on the White Earth Reservation in Minnesota in 1919 and died in 1987. She attended the Indian boarding school at Wahpeton Indian Boarding School in North Dakota. Broker was an Ojibway elder and storyteller. Over the course of her life she worked to educate the public about Native American people. She founded the Minnesota Indian Historical Society. She was involved with the Upper Midwest American Indian Center in Minneapolis. She wrote the Night Flying Woman, a story rich in Ojibway traditions. Broker died in 1987.
                    • multiracialbookclub
                      Hi Christel, Welcome to Generation-Mixed! We are happy to have you here and are truly looking forward to a lot of great conversations with you !! [:)] --M
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                        Hi Christel,

                        Welcome to Generation-Mixed!

                        We are happy to have you here and are truly looking
                        forward to a lot of great conversations with you !!:)

                        --M


                        "Christel Allen" <christel.allen@...> wrote:

                        Hi ... all!,

                        I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first;
                        Hi everyone! I'm excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I
                        am a senior at Santa Clara University, days from graduation, actually.
                        I'm an extremely ambiguous blend of Dark Irish, French Calvinists, Sioux Indian,
                        Indigenous Tarasco, and  Spanish Conquistadores, yet I look similar to
                        Asian/Pacific Islanders occasionally I'll even forget I'm not (kidding....)
                        My Dad fully believes somebody on the Chinese boats that came to
                        North America 1,000 years ago fooled around with one of our ancestors.
                        I'm less convinced.

                        But that thought in the back of my head is one reason I decided to immerse myself
                        into the growing cluster of research on Mixed research for my journalism senior
                        capstone, a feature on the inconclusive and occasionally contradicting research
                        on Mixed people, and what it tells us, and doesn't, about the future of the
                        booming population of Mixed Americans, and other populations worldwide.

                        Websites like www.dnaancestryproject.com, for a fee, will map my genetic
                        ancestry and tell me whether or not my dad has case for our Asian ancestry.

                        My story touches on some the some of issues you brought up in
                        your questions, when I cover the genetics involved in Mixed studies. ...

                        ... if you'd like to share contracts and resources, just let me know!

                        Cheers,

                        Christel
                      • multiracialbookclub
                        Hi Philip, Welcome to Gen-Mixed!! [:)] We are happy to have you here and wanted to let you know that you (and any other member, as well) can also feel free to
                        Message 11 of 17 , Jun 9, 2006
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                          Hi Philip,

                          Welcome to Gen-Mixed!!:)

                          We are happy to have you here and wanted to let you know
                          that you (and any other member, as well) can also feel free
                          to include the information from your family geneaology
                          (and other research materials) in the 'Photos', 'Files',
                          'Links' and other folder sections as well if you'd like.

                          Have a great day!!

                          -- M


                          Philip Arnell <trigueno03@...> wrote:

                          Hi ...,
                           
                          My name is Philip Arnell and ...
                          I am a carib american, I have researched my family as far as
                          500 years on my mothers side and about 300 years on my fathers.
                          It has been documented and inducted into 3 museums thus far.
                          if you would like to see it I will send it to you. ...
                        • Philip Arnell
                          Thanks M! It is a pleasure to meet you and I am going to send you the 2 documents. The smaller one is still a work in progress and the biggerone is more
                          Message 12 of 17 , Jun 9, 2006
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                            Thanks M! It is a pleasure to meet you and I am going to send you the 2 documents. The smaller one is still a work in progress and the biggerone is more complete. These are projects that will nevere be finished becasue there is always something to add on to them both old and new. The documents will come form a website called "yousendit.com"
                             
                            Philip

                            multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:
                            Hi Philip,

                            Welcome to Gen-Mixed!!:)

                            We are happy to have you here and wanted to let you know
                            that you (and any other member, as well) can also feel free
                            to include the information from your family geneaology
                            (and other research materials) in the 'Photos', 'Files',
                            'Links' and other folder sections as well if you'd like.

                            Have a great day!!

                            -- M


                            Philip Arnell <trigueno03@...> wrote:
                            Hi ...,
                             
                            My name is Philip Arnell and ...
                            I am a carib american, I have researched my family as far as
                            500 years on my mothers side and about 300 years on my fathers.
                            It has been documented and inducted into 3 museums thus far.
                            if you would like to see it I will send it to you. ...

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                          • Peter Barrett
                            Hello and welcome, Yes I saw the special and thought it was very interesting. I have yet to do the percentage test. I have had my maternal and parternal DNA
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                              Hello and welcome,

                              Yes I saw the special and thought it was very interesting.
                              I have yet to do the percentage test.
                              I have had my maternal and parternal DNA tested.
                              My maternal seems strongest in Senegal and my paternal
                              is European but haven't been given a region as of yet.

                              I knew I had European Ancestry on both sides
                              just didn't know where. I have no idea how much.
                              I look “black That is the thing about Mixed people there
                              can be an array of looks in one family as we all now.

                              I have never viewed myself as mixed even though
                              know I have a Mixed Ancestry. If look like
                              what you are you can't be anything else.
                              Which we know what that type of thinking has done.

                              It was interesting about Senegal to me, since some
                              of my maternal ancestors came from North Carolina
                              which had a large number of Senegambian slaves
                              there. My Creole ancestry also has roots from
                              Senegal. Many of the slaves that went to Louisiana
                              were Wolof women and Banmara men. Of course you
                              had some come from the Congo as well. The majority
                              was Senegal and Mali. Some Creoles carry the name
                              Senegal as a family name with many spellings.

                              Please let us know your results when you get them.

                              Peter

                              Philip Arnell <trigueno03@...> wrote:

                              I saw that special , it was fantastic.
                              I soon will be taking the admixture test.

                              stefaniedunning@... wrote:

                              ... Hi all,

                              ... I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS
                              special done by Henry Louis Gates in February
                              for Black History Month where he attempts
                              to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some
                              famous African Americans back to Africa?

                              ... I don't know if you've already talked about
                              this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if
                              there are any geneticists on the list here
                              and what your point of view of this is?

                              ... I am hoping to write something on this.
                              I think what is interesting about it
                              (in short) is that while his project was
                              seemingly essentialist (you know, finding
                              one's "pure" black origin) what he actually
                              uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were!

                              For example, both Oprah Winfrey and
                              Mae Jemison discovered they are some
                              percentage of East Asian ancestry.
                              Gates discovered about, himself that
                              "genetically speaking" he is mostly of
                              Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones.

                              So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered
                              -- instead of how "African" the folks where, but
                              rather how "Miscegenated," if you will, they all are.

                              I wonder what you all thought of that
                              ...if any of you had seen the special?

                              Stefanie.
                            • Alicia McCoy
                              Sorry I m a week late, but welcome! My name is Alicia and I am always to interested to meet people who are of multiracial backgrounds! stefaniedunning@aol.com
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                                Sorry I'm a week late, but welcome! My name is Alicia and I am always to interested to meet people who are of multiracial backgrounds!

                                stefaniedunning@... wrote:
                                Hi everyone,
                                 
                                I thought I'd post in to say hello and introduce myself. My name is Stefanie and I'm really looking forward to participating in the discussions here.
                                 
                                I am an FGM, my mother was black (she died in November) and my father white. I could get more specific (my mother's grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, my father's mother was an Irish immigrant and his father a German immigrant) but we'll let the easier labels apply (though of course, I just didn't).
                                 
                                My husband is Sri Lankan and we've just had our first child (she is 3 months old). It never occurred to me to think about all the ways mixed race stuff impacts my life. I am just me--my husband is was brought to my attention by an African American friend who asked me, "How does it feel to be in an interracial relationshipjust him--you know, we fell in love and got married. I never thought about the race aspect of it, until it ?"  That's a crazy *ss question any way (it feels like any other good relationship feels), but my response was to feel that any one I dated, more or less, would mean I was in an "interracial" relationship.  But this is the thing--as cliched as it may sound, I really just see people as people first. Then something happens (they say something or whatever) that makes me "remember race."
                                 
                                My extended family is also very mixed race--one of my brothers is married to a Filipina-American woman and they have 4 kids; my other brother is married to a white woman and they just had their first baby this past Thursday! (Samuel is his name, 8lbs 5oz!)
                                 
                                I am excited to be here and look forward to some great discussions.  I hope our conversations will broaden and deepen my thinking about these issues for a capstone I am teaching in the fall, Miscegenation and mulattos in Amercan Literature, 1865 to the present.
                                 
                                Thanks!
                                 
                                Stefanie

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                              • Alicia McCoy
                                Saw it, taped, love it! My husband and I thought it was very interesting! I love how there are so many ways that traces us all back to Africa in one way or
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                                  Saw it, taped, love it! My husband and I thought it was very interesting! I love how there are so many ways that traces us all back to Africa in one way or another. I personally also love the National Geographic special that show where they were able to take DNA (as well as other factors) and trace all of mankind back to one true "Adam and Eve", which would have been in an African tribe. So basically, it kind of proved the theory of evolution and the biblical Genesis all at one time. But the best part was the "proof" if you will, that all of mankind has its root from a tribe in Africa! I love science!

                                  stefaniedunning@... wrote:
                                   
                                   Hi all,
                                   
                                  I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?
                                   
                                  I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?
                                   
                                  I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were!  For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry.  Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones.  So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.
                                   
                                  I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?
                                   
                                  Stefanie
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                                • Alicia McCoy
                                  Welcome Christel ! Nice to meet you! Very interesting work you are doing! Christel Allen wrote: Hi Stefanie (and all!), I
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                                    Welcome Christel ! Nice to meet you! Very interesting work you are doing!

                                    Christel Allen <christel.allen@...> wrote:
                                    Hi Stefanie (and all!),

                                    I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first; Hi everyone! I'm excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I am a senior at Santa Clara University, days from graduation, actually. I'm an extremely ambiguous blend of Dark Irish, French Calvinists, Sioux Indian, Indigenous Tarasco, and  Spanish Conquistadores, yet I look similar to Asian/Pacific Islanders occasionally I'll even forget I'm not (kidding....) My Dad fully believes somebody on the Chinese boats that came to North America 1,000 years ago fooled around with one of our ancestors. I'm less convinced.

                                    But that thought in the back of my head is one reason I decided to immerse myself into the growing cluster of research on Mixed research for my journalism senior capstone, a feature on the inconclusive and occasionally contradicting research on Mixed people, and what it tells us, and doesn't, about the future of the booming population of Mixed Americans, and other populations worldwide.

                                    Websites like www.dnaancestryproject.com, for a fee, will map my genetic ancestry and tell me whether or not my dad has case for our Asian ancestry.

                                    My story touches on some the some of issues you brought up in your questions, when I cover the genetics involved in Mixed studies. One article I've found extremely interesting came from Stanford. I couldn't find a link, but here's some excepts.


                                    Stanford Law Review
                                    October, 2003
                                    Redefining Race: Can Genetic Testing Provide Biological Proof of Indian Ethnicity?

                                    By Eric Beckenhauer

                                    ... A Chukchansi Indian from the foothills of Fresno, she lives in a two-room trailer with her daughter, mother, and brother. ... It then explains, in Part III, how a legislative attempt to enable Indians to "prove" their ethnic identities through genetic testing, besides demonstrating a failure to understand these limitations, provoked outrage among Indian communities. ... Since tribal membership requirements are generally tribe-specific, so-called "mixed bloods" may be entirely Indian by heritage, without having an adequate blood quantum to merit membership in any particular tribe. ... " Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed on the tribal census of either 1928 or 1940. ... Of the principal methods of ascribing genetic characteristics to specific ethnic groups, it is clear that: (1) variant analysis has little power to identify the ethnicity of individuals; (2) EAE, though more powerful than variant analysis, requires additional refinements and has not yet been successfully applied to Indian populations; and (3) identification of private polymorphisms, particularly via Y-chromosome and mtDNA analysis, is an accepted means to define the common genetic characteristics of an ethnic group, and an accurate means to determine whether an individual has some degree of Indian ancestry. ...  


                                    Good luck with your writing, if you'd like to share contracts and resources, just let me know!

                                    Cheers,

                                    Christel


                                     
                                    In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, stefaniedunning@... wrote:


                                    Hi all,

                                    I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis Gates in February for Black History Month
                                    where he attempts to use DNA to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?

                                    I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder if
                                    there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?

                                    I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short) is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure" black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were! For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are some percentage of East Asian ancestry. Gates discovered about himself that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did Quincy Jones. So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.

                                    I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?

                                    Stefanie.





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                                  • stefaniedunning@aol.com
                                    Hi Christel and everyone, Sorry I didn t write back sooner, Cristel, but I had to take a colleague s class unexpectedly because she was in a horrible car
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                                      Hi Christel and everyone,

                                      Sorry I didn't write back sooner, Cristel, but I had to take a colleague's
                                      class unexpectedly because she was in a horrible car accident.

                                      With the new baby and suddenly having to teach, I've been under water.

                                      I am going to check out the website you mention. I'll have more to say anon.

                                      Stef


                                      -----Original Message-----

                                      From: Alicia McCoy
                                      To: Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:29:05 -0700 (PDT)
                                      Subject: Re: [Generation-Mixed] Re: question

                                      Welcome Christel ! Nice to meet you! Very interesting work you are doing!

                                      Christel Allen wrote:

                                      Hi Stefanie (and all!),

                                      I have yet to introduce myself to everyone, so first things first; Hi everyone!
                                      I'm excited to meet you all. My name is Christel and I am a senior at Santa
                                      Clara University, days from graduation, actually. I'm an extremely ambiguous
                                      blend of Dark Irish, French Calvinists, Sioux Indian, Indigenous Tarasco,
                                      and Spanish Conquistadores, yet I look similar to Asian/Pacific Islanders
                                      occasionally I'll even forget I'm not (kidding....) My Dad fully believes
                                      somebody on the Chinese boats that came to North America 1,000 years
                                      ago fooled around with one of our ancestors. I'm less convinced.

                                      But that thought in the back of my head is one reason I decided to immerse
                                      myself into the growing cluster of research on Mixed research for my journalism
                                      senior capstone, a feature on the inconclusive and occasionally contradicting
                                      research on Mixed people, and what it tells us, and doesn't, about the future
                                      of the booming population of Mixed Americans, and other populations worldwide.

                                      Websites like www.dnaancestryproject.com, for a fee, will map my genetic
                                      ancestry and tell me whether or not my dad has case for our Asian ancestry.

                                      My story touches on some the some of issues you brought up in your questions,
                                      when I cover the genetics involved in Mixed studies. One article I've found extremely
                                      interesting came from Stanford. I couldn't find a link, but here's some excepts.


                                      Stanford Law Review
                                      October, 2003
                                      Redefining Race: Can Genetic Testing Provide
                                      Biological Proof of Indian Ethnicity?

                                      By Eric Beckenhauer

                                      ... A Chukchansi Indian from the foothills of Fresno, she lives in a two-room trailer with her daughter, mother, and brother. ... It then explains, in Part III, how a legislative attempt to enable Indians to "prove" their ethnic identities through genetic testing, besides demonstrating a failure to understand these limitations, provoked outrage among Indian communities. ... Since tribal membership requirements are generally tribe-specific, so-called "mixed bloods" may be entirely Indian by heritage, without having an adequate blood quantum to merit membership in any particular tribe. ... " Likewise, in addition to a one-fourth blood quantum requirement, one band of the Lake Superior Chippewa Indians requires descendancy from a member listed on the tribal census of either 1928 or 1940. ... Of the principal methods of ascribing genetic characteristics to specific ethnic groups, it is clear that: (1) variant analysis has little power to identify the ethnicity of individuals; (2) EAE, though more powerful than variant analysis, requires additional refinements and has not yet been successfully applied to Indian populations; and (3) identification of private polymorphisms, particularly via Y-chromosome and mtDNA analysis, is an accepted means to define the common genetic characteristics of an ethnic group, and an accurate means to determine whether an individual has some degree of Indian ancestry. ...

                                      Good luck with your writing, if you'd like to share contracts and resources, just let me know!

                                      Cheers,

                                      Christel

                                      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, stefaniedunning@... wrote:

                                      Hi all,

                                      I was wondering if any of you saw the PBS special done by Henry Louis
                                      Gates in February for Black History Month where he attempts to use DNA
                                      to trace the ancestry of some famous African Americans back to Africa?

                                      I don't know if you've already talked about this or not, so forgive me. I also wonder
                                      if there are any geneticists on the list here and what your point of view of this is?

                                      I am hoping to write something on this. I think what is interesting about it (in short)
                                      is that while his project was seemingly essentialist (you know, finding one's "pure"
                                      black origin) what he actually uncovered was how multi-racial most of them were!
                                      For example, both Oprah Winfrey and Mae Jemison discovered they are
                                      some percentage of East Asian ancestry. Gates discovered about himself
                                      that "genetically speaking" he is mostly of Northern European descent and did
                                      Quincy Jones. So what this "back to Africa" project uncovered--instead of how
                                      "African" the folks where, but rather how "miscegenated," if you will, they all are.

                                      I wonder what you all thought of that...if any of you had seen the special?

                                      Stefanie.
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