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  • Peter Barrett
    Can someone also tell me where the 70% of admixture for AA WAS FOUND? Not that I doubt it at all. I had a conversation on another message board and had a hard
    Message 1 of 13 , May 3, 2006
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      Can someone also tell me where the
      70% of admixture for AA WAS FOUND?

      Not that I doubt it at all. I had a conversation on another message
      board and had a hard time proving this point with a credible figure.

      I also had seen a site by Mark Shriver stating that
      --instead of the 20-30% average-- it was more like
      17% european admixture. Which to me didn't seem right.

      If anyone has more information on this it would be appreciated.

      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
      "multiracialbookclub" <soaptalk@...> wrote:

      [[Peter Barrett <barac1998@...> inquired:

      I have viewed some of the previous post from this group.

      I noticed about the term African American (AA) as a misnomer.
      I understand the tri-racial heritage of the AA group.

      My question is do you think the term African American
      needs to be correctly understood or a different term?
      I'm just wondering what thoughts the members might have on this.

      I have been on other sites where people refuse to believe that
      [the majority of] AAs are tri-racial and I have always known that.
      It is good to see this site embrace that fact.

      My response:

      In my opinion, without question, next to the misnomer of
      `American-Indian' (AI), the term `African-American' (AA)
      is actually the one of the most misleading terms ever placed
      (or should I say, `forced') on any Ethnic grouping of people--
      particularly when one considers that is common knowledge
      and also has been scientifically proven that the majority of
      the AAs (+70%, in fact) are of a tri-racially admixed-ancestry.

      Between the demand by Jesse Jackson (circa 1990) that "any
      and every citizen or resident of the United States of America
      who was of any part or amount African descent" also be referred
      to by the term `African-American' AND the subsequent and
      hopelessly-flawed `revised' "racial statistics" form that was
      created by the United States Census Bureau / USCB (also, circa
      1990) ... the term `African-American' has become and continues
      to remain one which is of complete controversy and misapplication.

      In addition ... (as a result of the semantic problem of
      trying to broadly and erroneously apply, as well as force
      others to falsely perceive, a term as being synonymous
      or interchangeable with another) ... one of the major
      problems encountered --- in trying to help people in
      their having a full understanding of the fact that this
      particular `Ethnic' grouping of people is actually a
      `Type' of `Multi-`Racial / Mixed-Race group (and is not
      even a `type' of `mono'-racial "Black" group at all) ----
      seems to stem largely from the "politically-correct" (and,
      thus `culturally-incompetent') selection of the misapplied
      term `African-American' even being used to refer to this
      Ethnic group from the start -– as well as it's later expanded
      application to include `anyone' of any part-African descent.

      Originally the phase `African-American' was used
      merely as a descriptive term regarding the route of
      the horrific Voyage of the `Middle-Passage Experience'
      (i.e. from-`Africa'-to-`America') --- then it was
      later selected for use to describe the largely
      `Multi'-Racial / Mixed-Race `Ethnic' grouping of
      people who were The "Descendents of the Survivors" of
      the `Middle-Passage `Voyage' and also of the `One-Drop
      Rule-Enforced'/Matrilineal-Based, Chattel-Slavery
      `System' -- that took place thereafter (specifically
      on the continental United States of America during the
      periods of the Antebellum, Reconstruction and
      "Jim Crow" / Segregation eras that followed).

      Then -- thanks to various politically-motivated people such as
      Jesse Jackson and also the key administrators at the USCB --
      the term was later inexplicably-expanded (circa 1990) to
      also refer to and include "any American of African descent".

      It should also be remembered that this oddly inexplicable act
      is just one of the many reasons that almost all of the so-called
      government "statistics" that are allegedly in regards to the
      people of the AA Ethnicity are so completely and unbearably
      both inaccurate and also totally skewered toward "the negative".

      [[For instance, few people anywhere in the world are aware
      of the fact that -- there are *not* more `AA' men in prison
      rather than college; 1/4 of `AA' men are *not* in prison
      nor are they likely to die before the age of 25; and 70%
      of `AA' children are *not* born out of wedlock, etc.

      When "any American (citizen or resident) of African descent"
      is erroneously listed as being an AA, however, naturally the
      "statistics" (ranging from --- educational grades, diplomas and
      degrees; to data on welfare rolls, recipients and amounts; to
      employment ratings; to socio-political-economic status and
      opinions; to family structure and environment; to crime, to STD/
      HIV/ AIDS and so on) which falsely claim to be in regards to the
      AA Ethnicity are then going to erroneously show "negative" results.

      In fact, two excellent books on this subject are
      "Black Robes, White Justice" (written by FGM-Mixed
      New York Supreme Court Justice, Bruce Wright) and
      also "Don't Believe the Hype: Fighting Cultural
      Misinformation about the African-Americans" (written
      by FGM-Mixed, Reporter / Researcher, Ferai Chideya).

      http://gpn.unl.edu/cml/cml_product.asp?catalog_name==GPN&category_name==Don't+Believe+the+Hype&product_id=01
      http://www.powerbooksearch.com/booksearch0758201109.html]]

      Like the socio-political "identification" of "black"
      (which has been utilized since the late 1960's wherein
      the largely very successful `Civil Rights Movement'
      was replaced, via media and political manipulation,
      by the short-lived and rather divisive `Black Power /
      Pan-Africanism Movement') --- the term AA is so
      unbearably misleading ... and it's common misuse
      seems to be one of the main reasons that so
      very few people seem to realize that the AA's:

      1) Are not a `mono'-racial "race" grouping
      (or even a `racial' grouping of any sort at all);

      2) Are actually a largely `Multi'-Racial / Mixed-Race
      `Ethnic' grouping ... as more that 70% of people
      born to two parents who are both members of the
      AA Ethnic grouping (i.e. full AAs) -- are actually
      and have always remained of a continually
      MGM-Mixed lineage and racial-admixture;

      3) Are a very `specific' grouping of people (and not
      just `any' or `every' grouping of people who happen
      to be of `some part' Black-admixture -- as one cannot
      be a member of this particular `Ethnic' group – unless
      one is actually a "Descendent of the Survivors"
      of the Historical-Voyage (the Middle Passage)
      which led to an Historical-Experience
      (The 'One-Drop Rule'-Enforced / Matrilineal-Based
      Chattel-Slavery `System') which took place in a
      specific geographical-location (the Continental
      United States of America' during a specific
      historical-period (the Antebellum era – and
      Reconstruction and the "Jim Crow" /
      Segregationist period which followed).

      Personally, I feel that words such as
      `African-American' and "black" are
      BOTH completely erroneous terms
      to use in describing this largely MGM
      Tri-racially "Mixed" Ethnic group of people.

      Use of the word `African-American', to describe this
      group -- generally leads the hearer to naturally make
      the neuro-linguistic assumption-based error that the
      term is indicative of it's subject being someone who
      is either "sole or predominantly" of a `mono'-racially
      Black ancestry (which is not even remotely the
      case for the majority -- +70% -- of the people who
      belong to this largely tri-racial `Ethnic' grouping).

      In reality, researchers, geneticists, historians and
      anthropologists have repeatedly proven, detailed
      and documented that the majority of those people
      who born to two parents who are both members
      multi-racial Ethnic grouping (more than 70%, in fact)
      have about 20-30% `white' "racial" admixture and
      even more than 25% 'Amerindian' "racial" admixture.

      As noted, the use of the term `"black" to describe this
      group also seems very inappropriate – both for the
      reason listed above as well as for the fact that the
      term "black" was only since the late 1960's and 1970's
      as being reflective of what was supposed to have
      been am anti-racist / anti-colonialist socio-political
      "identification" (then referred to as "pan-Africanism")
      that led and expressed by the, now rather phased
      out (and surprisingly even somewhat divisive)
      Afro-centric "Black-Power" movement of that era.

      Few people seem to realize that the term "black"
      was never actually even meant for use as a
      `racial-descriptor' for the people of this Ethnicity
      -- but rather it was actually simply meant to be
      used merely as a way of describing "an emerging
      `political consciousness' and also an attempted
      `cultural connection' being expressed and
      "identified" among some of the younger members
      of this given group at that certain era in history
      for a particular socio-political purpose".

      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/v-pfriendly/story/283791p-243138c.html
      http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/DB/issues/97/09.22/view.tucker.html

      The error of using a term such as this (which one
      would normally and traditionally only have associated
      with a very specific `Continent', `Voyage', `Race' or
      even a `Socio-Political "Identification" `), and then
      erroneously applying it to a given `ethnic' group,
      is that it would naturally result in the neuro-linguistic
      reaction of people then instantaneously perceiving
      and associating the "Ethnic" group ONLY within
      the `former representation' of the term as being
      in reference to specific `Continent', `Race' and
      or `Voyage' or a `Socio-Political "Identification.

      The erroneous semantic misapplication of this term
      is often largely why people inaccurately believe that
      it is representative of; synonymous with or used
      interchangeably for the `racial' term "black" –
      rather than in reference to the `voyage' which led
      to the launching of a specific `historical experience'.

      That having been said – the answer to your question
      is (for me) ... that `No', I do personally *not* feel or
      believe that that the current answer to the issues
      involved with the misnomer of `African-American' --
      is to give this largely `Multi'-Racial / Mixed-Race
      Ethnic grouping of people – yet another new LABEL.

      As (just as it has been found that, in the case of
      many, if not most Amerindians, they did not like
      the politically-correct / culturally-illiterate term
      of `Native American' being forced on them any
      more than they did the term `American Indian')
      –--- yet another new label never seems
      to be ;the answer' to a complex issue.

      But rather – what seems would be most
      effective would be to simply educate
      people on the following facts:

      *** the `African-Americans' (AAs) and
      the `Black-Americans' (BAs) are *not*
      the same people groupings at all;

      *** the AAs are a largely `Multi'-Racial/
      Mixed-Race `Ethnic' group -- while the
      BAs are a `mono'-racial `Race' group;

      *** the majority of those people who are
      full-AAs are largely "black" *only* in the
      sense of socio-politically "identifying"
      (largely due to the `One-Drop' Rule and
      other forms of Racism) with the struggles
      experienced by those with whom they are
      connected via a part of their tri-racial lineage;

      *** and most of the "statistics" offered by the U.S.
      government and media about the AAs are extremely
      skewered, biased and completely inaccurate
      (due to a lack of understanding that the terms
      `Black' and `African-American' are *not* actually
      in reference to the same people groupings; they
      are *not* synonymous terms; and should not
      be/ have ever been used interchangeably).

      --- [Submitted by soaptalk@... / 05-03-2006 ©]

      Acronym Key:

      [MGM-Mixed == Multi-Generational-Mutiracially Mixed
      FGM-Mixed== First-Generational-Multiracially Mixed]

      Related Links:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/991
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/message/169
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/message/183
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/message/14
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/991
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/236
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/196
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/message/1
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MGM-Mixed/message/2]]
    • multiracialbookclub
      In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com, Peter Barrett inquired: Can someone also tell me where the 70% of admixture for AA was found? … If
      Message 2 of 13 , May 3, 2006
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        In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
        "Peter Barrett" <barac1998@...> inquired:

        Can someone also tell me where the 70% of admixture for AA was found?
        … If anyone has more information on this it would be appreciated.

        Note: 
        Said inquiry was made in regards to the post found at the following link:
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1032

        My response:

        That's a really excellent good question and hopefully, the
        following information may be of help in answering it…. :-?

        Some of the sources can be found listed within the following link
        :
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1003

        Other sources are also found in various other postings at this group.

        In addition, there are many other sources that also note said figure
        (both online and in print) ... some of these include the following:


        "With some figures showing 70% of African
        Americans fitting into a multiracial category,"

        Source: http://www.interracialvoice.com/editor10.html

        "Seventy to eighty percent of so-called
        "blacks" are of mixed racial heritage."
        Source: http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/~perspy/old/issues/1997/may/boxing.html

        "Most writers on the subject of American black-white
        miscegenation, for instance, estimate that seventy to
        ninety percent of African Americans have white ancestry"

        Source: http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/zack.html

        "Seventy percent of …African Americans … are
        mixed with … mostly Scottish Irish and Native
        American, yet … defined as "black".
        Hispanics, like "blacks", have an equal
        amount of race mixing in their ethnic group."
        Source: http://www.blackcanada.com/news_7.htm

        Here is an very interesting observation made regarding
        the historical creation of the largely `Multi'-Racial /
        Mixed-Race African-American Ethnic group --

        "During slavery there were, of course, frequent
        mixed race births, many resulting from the rape of
        enslaved "black" women by white slave owners.
        Between 1850 and 1860, the "Mulatto" [i.e. Mixed-Race]
        slave population increased by 67 percent; in contrast, the
        'Black' slave population increased by only 20 percent.
        At about this time, the notion of "Hypodescent",
        or The "One-Drop Rule," became prevalent.
        This is the idea that someone with even
        one distant African ancestor is black ...
        The 1890 census added further distinctions and had
        categories for White, Black, Mulatto, Quadroon,
        Octoroon, Chinese, Japanese, and Indian.
        By 1910 the Census Bureau had eliminated the terms
        mulatto, quadroon, and octoroon …
        three-quarters of
        all "blacks" in the United States were racially mixed
        …

        Anyone [listed] as African American
        would henceforth be counted as "black"
        ."

        Source: `Race and Mixed Race `by Naomi Zack
        (Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1993)

        http://www.oah.org/pubs/magazine/family/cruz-berson.html

        Also -- here is an interesting observation someone made:

        "Joshua R. Goldstein and Ann J. Morning, of
        the Office of Population Research, Princeton
        University, February 29, 2000, wrote for the
        Russell Sage Foundation a paper investigating
        the ramifications of multiple-"race" responses
        on the then-pending 2000 census. 
        The paper entitled, "The multiple-race population of
        the United States : Issues and estimates," appeared in
        the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 
        These researchers clearly stumbled
        on some interesting observations: 
        Classifying those indicating more "races" than one
        puts Government in a seven-way bind, either ...
        opening a way out for potentially seventy percent of
        African Americans
        to [leave] "their" Black race...

        The researchers above further noticed that
        ...
        census "race" data collection is
        [both] politicized and … arbitrary..."

        (Source: http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/point5.html
        and the entire paper, a 96K byte PDF file, can be found at
        http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/100086897.pdf.)

        In addition, listed below is a perfect example of
        how statistics regarding the `African-Americans'
        are almost always completely false and erroneous.

        In this article – the writer openly makes the mistake of
        perceiving the Afro-Latino `Cultural' grouping AND the
        African-American `Ethnic' as being one and the same
        people grouping – then wrongfully combines the statistics
        of these two separate groups and then falsely presents them
        as if they are statistics about the African-Americans.

        Here is an example of one of the many erroneous
        `statistics' that can be found within this article:

        "In 1997, however, 55 percent of African Americans
        (including black Hispanics) lived in the South."
        Source:
        http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/faculty/hodgson/RussiaDiversity/PBRaceEthnicity/PBRaceEthnicity.html

        As stated numerous times -- a person cannot be a part of the 'African-American'
        (AA) Ethnic grouping simply because they are a citizen or resident of the United
        States of America and also happen to be of some-part Black admixture.
        The AAs are a very specific and unique largely 'Multi'-Racial / Mixed-Race
        'Ethnic' grouping of people -- and groups such as Afro-Latinos; West Indians;
        African, etc. -- should not be enumerated as part of the so-called "statistics"
        regarding the AAs -- yet -- due to manipulation by the media and various
        political and government bureaucratic group -- every person in America who
        is of any-part Black ancestry is often falsely listed as also being an AA.

        This false categorization and enumeration has created a tremendous
        and unfair burden for those people who truly are of the AA Ethnicity.


        It should also be noticed in the chart contained in that
        same article that -- while `White', `Asian' and "American
        Indian" (again, another misnomer) have all been given the
        decency and dignity of being listed under separate "Racial"
        groups – and the term "Hispanic" has been listed under
        a separate `Cultural' group – only one (1) group -- the
        African-American `Ethnic', of course – has (yet, again)
        been forced to falsely `carry the statistics' for everyone
        in the United States of every person in the United States
        who is "of some part-Black ancestry" (no matter the
        true `Ethnic', `Cultural' or even `Racial' grouping)

        Actions such as found in this article – are (once again) –
        one of the very main reasons that the average so-called
        "statistic" (and even many of the various "definitions"
        …. such as the extremely erroneous "definition" found
        at the online "encyclopedia" known as `Wikipedia') –
        which are alleged to be about the `African-Americans'
        are almost always generally `false', `inaccurate' and
        `negative' and simply cannot be relied upon for the true
        state of affairs for this very diverse Ethnic grouping.

        As stated previously -- when just "any American (citizen or resident)
        of African descent" is erroneously listed as being an AA, however,
        naturally the "statistics" (ranging from --- educational grades,
        diplomas and degrees; to data on welfare rolls, recipients and
        amounts; to employment ratings; to socio-political-economic status
        and opinions; to family structure and environment; to crime, to STD
        / HIV/ AIDS and so on) which falsely claim to be in regards to the
        AA Ethnicity are then going to erroneously show "negative" results.

        Two excellent books on this subject are "Black Robes,
        White Justice" (written by FGM-Mixed New York
        Supreme Court Justice, Bruce Wright) and also
        "Don't Believe the Hype: Fighting Cultural
        Misinformation about  African-Americans" (written
        by FGM-Mixed, Reporter / Researcher, Ferai Chideya).

        http://gpn.unl.edu/cml/cml_product.asp?catalog_name=GPN&category_name=Don't+Believe+the+Hype&product_id=1501
         
        http://www.powerbooksearch.com/booksearch0758201109.html

        Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1032


        Hope this information is of some help in getting you
        off to a fairly good start on your research in this area.

        Have a great day. :)

      • wintyreeve@aol.com
        My cousin told me that she prefers to be labelled as Black because she has never been to Africa, and can t relate to what life is like there. Other
        Message 3 of 13 , May 3, 2006
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          My cousin told me that she prefers to be labeled as "black" because
          she has never been to Africa, and can't relate to what life is like there.

          Other relatives will label themselves as "black" and ignore the other racial
          admixtures in the family either because they don't know, they don't care
          or they just assume that the color of your skin identifies what you are.
          This gets a bit confusing when I go to family reunions...LOL* I tell
          everyone that I am mixed, and brag about all the mixtures in our family.

          In Minnesota, the African immigrants almost always refer to
          themselves as African or identify with their country of origin.
          They also may refer to their identity in terms of religion.
          If you look at Hmong immigrants. They identify themselves
          as Hmong, not Hmong-American. Same with Latinos.
          They are Latinos, not Latin-Americans. I don't know
          about where you all live...that's just the trend here.

          So I guess being African-American, in a sense, is
          really what it is. Or no? What else do you call it?

          I mean if you are "Black" then that excludes the
          mixed people who would not fit the description.

          African-American seems to represent a racially mixed heritage.

          What do you think??

          Smiles, Lynn
        • multiracialbookclub
          In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com , Lynn wrote: ... African-American seems to represent a
          Message 4 of 13 , May 4, 2006
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            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            " Lynn " <wintyreeve@...> wrote:

            ... African-American seems to represent a
            racially mixed heritage. What do you think??



            My reply:


            That's a very insightful perception and you make a good point.

            In fact -- when one thinks about it -- of the two
            terms – the term
            `African-American' (although still
            something of a misnomer, in my humble opinion

            http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1032)
            --- is actually quite clearly much closer to being a descriptor
            of or implication for a person having a Mixed-Race Ancestry
            (especially perhaps once the origin of the term is `explained' to the
            hearer) --- than is the term
            "Black" (as, when referred to "racially" 
            ...  rather than socio-politically... would imply adherence to
            the racist One-Drop Rule/The Rule of Hypo-Descent and to also
            imply a denial of a person's non-Black/other-American lineage).


            In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
            " Lynn " <wintyreeve@...> wrote:

            My cousin told me that she prefers to be labeled
            as "black" because she has never been to Africa ,
            and can't relate to what life is like there.

            Other relatives will label themselves as "black" and
            ignore the other racial admixtures in the family either
            because they don't know, they don't care or they just
            assume that the color of your skin identifies what you are...

            So I guess being African-American, in a sense, is
            really what it is. Or no? What else do you call it?

            I mean if you are "Black" then that excludes the
            mixed people who would not fit the description.

            African-American seems to represent a racially mixed heritage.

            What do you think??

            Smiles, Lynn

          • Tyrone Anderson
            I think African-American represent a culturally mixed group Bi-Cultural with on the next level can man that members of this group are mixed. I say
            Message 5 of 13 , May 4, 2006
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              I think African-American represent a 'culturally 'mixed'' group Bi-Cultural
              with on the next level can man that members of this group are mixed.

              I say bi-cultural because 1st, their are cultural combinations
              that came together to make this group, secondly a lot of it was
              passed from 'ethnic' descendants of other ethnic groups:native
              american, french, english, irish, chinese, or passed from the
              adoption of other cultures by people not ethnically related.

              wintyreeve@... wrote:
              My cousin told me that she prefers to be labeled as "black" because
              she has never been to Africa, and can't relate to what life is like there.

              Other relatives will label themselves as "black" and ignore the other racial
              admixtures in the family either because they don't know, they don't care
              or they just assume that the color of your skin identifies what you are.
              This gets a bit confusing when I go to family reunions...LOL* I tell
              everyone that I am mixed, and brag about all the mixtures in our family.

              In Minnesota, the African immigrants almost always refer to
              themselves as African or identify with their country of origin.
              They also may refer to their identity in terms of religion.
              If you look at Hmong immigrants. They identify themselves
              as Hmong, not Hmong-American. Same with Latinos.
              They are Latinos, not Latin-Americans. I don't know
              about where you all live...that's just the trend here.

              So I guess being African-American, in a sense, is
              really what it is. Or no? What else do you call it?

              I mean if you are "Black" then that excludes the
              mixed people who would not fit the description.

              African-American seems to represent a racially mixed heritage.

              What do you think??

              Smiles, Lynn



              "Man would rather be a little higher than the apes, than a little lower than the angels." -"I am Black & I am White, and know there is no difference. Each one casts a shadow, and all shadows are dark." -Walter White
            • multiracialbookclub
              That s another good point as well. It s also good food for thought . [:-?] Thanks for sharing it. In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com
              Message 6 of 13 , May 4, 2006
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                That's another good point as well. 
                It's also good 'food for thought'.:-?

                Thanks for sharing it.


                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                Tyrone Anderson <gemini072@...> wrote:

                I think African-American represent a culturally
                'mixed' group -- Bi-Cultural which on the next level
                can mean that members of this group are mixed.

                I say Bi-Cultural because 1st, there are cultural combinations
                that came together to make this group, secondly a lot of it
                was passed from 'ethnic' descendants of other ethnic groups:
                native american, french, english, irish, chinese, or passed from
                the adoption of other cultures by people not ethnically related.


                In Generation-Mixed@yahoogroups.com,
                "Lynn" <
                wintyreeve@...> wrote:

                My cousin told me that she prefers to be labeled
                as "black" because she has never been to Africa,
                and can't relate to what life is like there.

                Other relatives will label themselves as "black" and
                ignore the other racial admixtures in the family either
                because they don't know, they don't care or they just
                assume that the color of your skin identifies what you are.

                This gets a bit confusing when I go to family reunions...LOL*
                I tell everyone that I am mixed, and
                brag about all the mixtures in our family.

                In Minnesota, the African immigrants almost always refer to
                themselves as African or identify with their country of origin.
                They also may refer to their identity in terms of religion.
                If you look at Hmong immigrants. They identify themselves
                as Hmong, not Hmong-American. Same with Latinos.
                They are Latinos, not Latin-Americans. I don't know
                about where you all live...that's just the trend here.

                So I guess being African-American, in a sense, is
                really what it is. Or no? What else do you call it?

                I mean if you are "Black" then that excludes the
                mixed people who would not fit the description.

                African-American seems to represent a racially mixed heritage.

                What do you think??

                Smiles, Lynn

                 

                "Man would rather be a little higher than the apes,
                than a little lower than the angels." - "I am Black
                I am White, and know there is no difference. Each one
                casts a shadow, and all shadows are dark." -Walter White

              • barac1998@aol.com
                I agree. I have always looked at term African American as a mixed cultural blend and have taught it that way as well. Peter
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                  I agree. I have always looked at term African American as a mixed cultural blend and have taught it that way as well.
                   
                  Peter
                • multiracialbookclub
                  Peter wrote: I agree. I have always looked at term African American as a mixed cultural blend and have taught it that way as well. Peter
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                    "Peter" <barac1998@... >wrote:

                    I agree. I have always looked at term 'African American' as
                    a mixed cultural blend and have taught it that way as well.
                     
                    Peter

                    Reply:

                    Agreed.
                     

                    And while I do feel that the term `African-American' is
                    (like the term `American-Indian') a type of misnomer
                    …  I do not have a problem with it's usage (particularly
                    seeing that, as Ty, Lynn and Peter have pointed out, the
                    term can most certainly be said to have an indication that
                    the members of said Ethnicity would most likely be of a
                    Mixed-Race / `Multi'-Racial Ancestry … wherein the term
                    `Black' would *not* seem to indicate any such Ancestry) .

                    My main concern actually centers around `the lack of true
                    knowledge about the AAs' that is quite commonly found 
                    among and displayed by a good number of the members
                    of the American media, government, and census poll
                    takers … many of whom seem to have *no* remote concept
                    (thanks, again to the United States Census Bureau (USCB)
                    and it's hopelessly flawed-form, that's been used since 1990)
                    that the `African-Americans' (AAs) are *not* at all the same
                    group as the `Black-Americans' (BAs) and also that, as a
                    result of this lack of knowledge, the AAs seem to be the
                    *only* `Ethnic' group found in America (or the world)
                    that is forced to BOTH 1) live with society's denial
                    of it's Mixed-Race lineage AND 2) carry the unfair
                    burden of falsely being used to represent an entire
                    "Racial" grouping of people (largely due to the Rule
                    of Hypo-Descent / One-Drop Rule and the USCB).

                    As stated earlier – rather than look for a whole new name
                    or label for this largely `Multi'-Racial / Mixed-Race `Ethnic'
                    Group --- I truly feel that `Education' and the sharing of
                    knowledge and TRUE information about the AAs may be
                    a, if not `the', key step
                    in helping them to be able; feel free to
                    and have full 
                    support in publicly embracing and proclaiming
                    their FULL Ancestry and true Identity as well as also having
                    TRUE statistics provided about them (rather than the
                    so-called `common knowledge' false-statistics that have
                    been created by the forcing of them to – without any say
                    in the matter -- represent and to carry the statistics for
                    every citizen and resident in the United States of America
                    who just happens to have some/ any amount of Black lineage).


                    Related Links:

                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1045
                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1043
                    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/1032

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