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2569Re: Cherokee Nation votes to expel 'freedmen'

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  • j s
    Mar 4, 2007
      I guess many might have thought they were
      those "long lost relatives" wanting
      to cash in regardless of the truth.
      I dont support their decision but I
      guess I'm just trying to see all sides.

      multiracialbookclub <soaptalk@...> wrote:

      Jeff wrote:

      <<<"But I guess I can also see their point to an extent
      if all of a sudden there were people who joined
      with no indian identity, experience or interest
      who wanted their entitled share.">>>

      My reply:

      Hi Jeff,

      Thanks for commenting ... as your commentary is
      always appreciated and is good food for thought.

      The only problem here, however, is that
      this analogy does not apply to the
      situation faced by 'The Freedmen'.

      The majority of The Freedmen have
      been repeatedly proven to be the known
      Mixed-Race (part-Black and part-Amerindian)
      'descendents of the people who were originally
      slaves to the tribe' -- but after the Antebellum
      era of chattel slavery ended, the former slaves 
      became members of and absorbed into the
      tribe and they and their Mixed-Race offspring
      became referred to as being The Freedmen.

      Most of them were of continually part-Cherokee
      lineage; largely only knew of Cherokee ways; and
      have, for generations, grown up in the Cherokee
      heritage, language, customs, rituals, beliefs, etc.

      As noted, most of these Freedmen are both of
      a Mixed-Race (Native and Black) lineage and 
      certainly have more connection to and shared
      heritage with their Cherokee brethren than many
      of the people of 'White' phenotype who often show
      up at tribal functions declaring themselves to be
      'part-Cherokee' (often based on nothing more than
      family legend,  an old photograph, etc. -- with no
      other proof) -- who are all but gleefully accepted by
      and enrolled in the tribe with very little questioning
      or investigation (and certainly no 'interrogation' ).

      Many of these 'White'' "newly-discovered"
      'accepted' Cherokee know nothing about
      the customs, language, heritage, history, etc.
      of the tribe and they have shared in little or
      none of the tribal 'sufferings' -- and they simply
      'recollected' their 'alleged' lineage when they
      realized that casino money could be involved.

      Meanwhile, most of the Freedmen (particularly those
      in places like Oklahoma ) have 'full' proof of their
      Mixed-Race lineage and most of them also have
      largely never broken off their cultural tribal ties.

      Yet, the Cherokee Nation -- out of greed and racism
      -- has chosen to 'discriminate' against them by
      (following the Dawes Commission footsteps) and,
      thus, implementing the racist One-Drop Rule in
      order to, yet again, deny the people who have
      any known or acknowledged Black ancestry
      the right to lay claim to their full-lineage.

      It, in my humble opinion, is racism and greed
      -- not tribal pride and protection -- that has
      caused the Cherokee Nation to take this horrid
      step against the very Freedmen who have been
      an active, important and functioning part of 
      the Cherokee Nation for multiple generations.

      The Freedmen are a far cry from being some
      long-lost, unheard of relatives who've shown
      up at someone's doorstep requesting a share
      of someone's 'Super Lotto' ticket winnings.

      They are a centuries-old, generations- spanning
      full-part of the Cherokee Nation and -- were it
      not for the Cherokee Nation's greed-based
      and racism-embracing acceptance of the
      racist One-Drop Rule, this matter -- of how
      to respond to the Mixed-Race Freedman
      (who, again, did not cut their tribal ties)
      -- would never have even been an issue.

      The action taken by the Cherokee Nation --
      in expelling these Mixed-Race Freedmen --
      is no less racist, in my humble opinion, than
      that which was taken by White-Supremacist
      Walter Plecker  in Virginia in the 1920's.

      Just a thought.
      Thanks again for sharing and have a great day!



      A good book and film on the subject
      of groups like 'The Freedmen' is called
      'Black Indians' -- by William Loren Katz

      Related Links:

      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Generation -Mixed/message/ 1386
      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Generation -Mixed/message/ 1747
      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Generation -Mixed/message/ 1400
      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Generation -Mixed/message/ 2562

       In Generation-Mixed@ yahoogroups. com,
      j s <creolescience@ ...> wrote:

      Wow. I suppose it was in response to the 2,000 that
      just joined since it appears that there were only
      800 members prior to the vote allowing them in.

      I guess it's also another "invalidation"
      African-Americans historical
      Native-American ties and lineage.

      But I think besides racism
      it also came down to greed.

      But I guess I can also see their point to an extent
      if all of a sudden there were people who joined
      with no indian identity, experience or
      interest who wanted their entitled share.

      This is just one reason why I have no real interest
      in seeking out tribal affiliation or membership
      because I'm sure one would really have to jump
      through hoops in what is basically a political process.

      Probably before the proliferation of indian casinos
      it wasn't as hard but now so much cash is involved.

      So many of us are of indian descent
      but will never have the "right" to
      claim it in this society without recieving
      snickers, disbelief or disdain since we are
      without the pedirgee of tribal membership.

      lbaker <tlbaker@nyc. rr.com> wrote:

      Cherokee Nation votes to expel 'freedmen'

      Cherokee Nation members voted
      Saturday (3/3/2007) to revoke
      the tribal citizenship of the
      descendants of the people the
      Cherokee once owned as slaves.

      http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 17442676/ from/ET/

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