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  • purvapoonya
    Hello All, I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn t even
    Message 1 of 18 , Mar 23 4:42 AM
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      Hello All,
      I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn't even think of the amount of people the theatre could hold when suggesting it, I only thought of it's ambiance, it's child friendly atmosphere and it's commitment to the arts- especially for the younger generation. I did not mean to imply that Gene couldn't fill a stadium, of course he could! I want to say that Gene has brought joy, real joy to my childhood. Maybe I was trying to be that little kid again, in a small theatre as if on set with him, something I was not able to ever do.
      Peace,
      Jessica
    • bakerjohnp1958
      ... kindest Regards, John
      Message 2 of 18 , Mar 23 11:41 AM
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        --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya" <purvapoonya@...> wrote:
        > Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
        kindest Regards,
        John

        > Hello All,
        > I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn't even think of the amount of people the theatre could hold when suggesting it, I only thought of it's ambiance, it's child friendly atmosphere and it's commitment to the arts- especially for the younger generation. I did not mean to imply that Gene couldn't fill a stadium, of course he could! I want to say that Gene has brought joy, real joy to my childhood. Maybe I was trying to be that little kid again, in a small theatre as if on set with him, something I was not able to ever do.
        > Peace,
        > Jessica
        >
      • purvapoonya
        Thank you John for your kind words. I am sure that you are right and whatever and wherever Gene decides will be special-it won t matter, he ll be there. I
        Message 3 of 18 , Mar 24 5:12 AM
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          Thank you John for your kind words. I am sure that you are right and whatever and wherever Gene decides will be special-it won't matter, he'll be there. I look forward to this very much and I am so glad I found this loop. I might have missed this tour altogether as I did Gene's casino event and my husband works there, in the Entertainment Dept no less! I surely won't miss this and I'll be there with my children and all my friends who remember and love Gene too!
          ~Jessica

          --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
          >
          > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya" <purvapoonya@> wrote:
          > > Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
          > kindest Regards,
          > John
          >
          > > Hello All,
          > > I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn't even think of the amount of people the theatre could hold when suggesting it, I only thought of it's ambiance, it's child friendly atmosphere and it's commitment to the arts- especially for the younger generation. I did not mean to imply that Gene couldn't fill a stadium, of course he could! I want to say that Gene has brought joy, real joy to my childhood. Maybe I was trying to be that little kid again, in a small theatre as if on set with him, something I was not able to ever do.
          > > Peace,
          > > Jessica
          > >
          >
        • Diane Browne-Sterdt
          Wow! You go, GL fans!! This would be wonderful.  John, you are amazing....Diane, Gene s sister ... From: bakerjohnp1958 Subject:
          Message 4 of 18 , Mar 24 7:28 AM
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            Wow! You go, GL fans!! This would be wonderful.  John, you are amazing....Diane, Gene's sister

            --- On Mon, 3/23/09, bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
            From: bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...>
            Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Re: possible show venues
            To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 2:41 PM

            --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya" <purvapoonya@ ...> wrote:
            > Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
            kindest Regards,
            John

            > Hello All,
            > I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn't even think of the amount of people the theatre could hold when suggesting it, I only thought of it's ambiance, it's child friendly atmosphere and it's commitment to the arts- especially for the younger generation. I did not mean to imply that Gene couldn't fill a stadium, of course he could! I want to say that Gene has brought joy, real joy to my childhood. Maybe I was trying to be that little kid again, in a small theatre as if on set with him, something I was not able to ever do.
            > Peace,
            > Jessica
            >


          • bakerjohnp1958
            Message 5 of 18 , Mar 24 11:59 AM
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              --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Diane Browne-Sterdt <browruf@...> wrote:
              >Thanks, Diane, I just try to do my best and hope eveyone enjoys themselves when they become a member or just drop in for a visit. We, each and everone of us is a part of this, I appreciate your thoughts and support. John
              > Wow! You go, GL fans!! This would be wonderful.  John, you are amazing....Diane, Gene's sister
              >
              > --- On Mon, 3/23/09, bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
              >
              > From: bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...>
              > Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Re: possible show venues
              > To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Monday, March 23, 2009, 2:41 PM
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya" <purvapoonya@ ...> wrote:
              > > Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea
              > is the "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
              > kindest Regards,
              > John
              >
              > > Hello All,
              > > I feel a need just now after reading the past post about the seating capacity at the Appel Farm Theatre to clarify something. I really didn't even think of the amount of people the theatre could hold when suggesting it, I only thought of it's ambiance, it's child friendly atmosphere and it's commitment to the arts- especially for the younger generation. I did not mean to imply that Gene couldn't fill a stadium, of course he could! I want to say that Gene has brought joy, real joy to my childhood. Maybe I was trying to be that little kid again, in a small theatre as if on set with him, something I was not able to ever do.
              > > Peace,
              > > Jessica
              > >
              >
            • Richie Z
              Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would definitely make the trip again Trenton, NJ regards, .rz ... -- People often remain unaware of the
              Message 6 of 18 , Mar 25 8:21 AM
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                Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would definitely make the trip again
                Trenton, NJ
                regards,
                .rz


                On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:

                 In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya" <purvapoonya@...> wrote:
                Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he  decides, it will be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                                    kindest Regards,
                                                 John


                --



                People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life

                because they are distracted by temporary pleasures.  - Buddha



              • bakerjohnp1958
                Message 7 of 18 , Mar 25 10:52 PM
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                  --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@...> wrote:
                  >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                  > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                  > definitely make the trip again
                  > Trenton, NJ
                  > regards,
                  > .rz
                  >
                  >
                  > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                  >
                  > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                  > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                  > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                  > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                  > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                  > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                  > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                  > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                  > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                  > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                  > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                  > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                  > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                  > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                  > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                  > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                  > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                  > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                  > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                  > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                  > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                  > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                  > > kindest Regards,
                  > > John
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  >
                  >
                  > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                  > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                  >
                • pamrenn
                  I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have
                  Message 8 of 18 , Mar 26 6:07 AM
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                    I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.

                    Pam


                    --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                    > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                    > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                    > > definitely make the trip again
                    > > Trenton, NJ
                    > > regards,
                    > > .rz
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                    > >
                    > > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                    > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                    > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                    > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                    > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                    > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                    > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                    > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                    > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                    > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                    > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                    > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                    > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                    > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                    > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                    > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                    > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                    > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                    > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                    > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                    > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                    > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                    > > > kindest Regards,
                    > > > John
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                    > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                    > >
                    >
                  • bakerjohnp1958
                    Message 9 of 18 , Mar 26 11:42 AM
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                      --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@...> wrote:
                      > When Gene reads this, knowing Gene, I'm sure he'll smile with delight.
                      > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                      >
                      > Pam
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                      > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                      > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                      > > > definitely make the trip again
                      > > > Trenton, NJ
                      > > > regards,
                      > > > .rz
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                      > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                      > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                      > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                      > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                      > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                      > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                      > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                      > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                      > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                      > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                      > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                      > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                      > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                      > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                      > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                      > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                      > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                      > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                      > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                      > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                      > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                      > > > > kindest Regards,
                      > > > > John
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                      > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                      > > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Bill
                      Pam: How true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song s character on Suite Life ), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat
                      Message 10 of 18 , Mar 28 2:02 AM
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                        Pam:

                        How true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?

                        As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.

                        With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks", which was about disabled ducks.

                        The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!

                        I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)

                        There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.

                        My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:

                        Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                        Send today, send right away
                        Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                        We'll hang them high
                        In the TV sky...
                        ;-)

                        Bill

                        --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                        >
                        > Pam
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                        > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                        > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                        > > > definitely make the trip again
                        > > > Trenton, NJ
                        > > > regards,
                        > > > .rz
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                        > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                        > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                        > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                        > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                        > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                        > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                        > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                        > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                        > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                        > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                        > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                        > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                        > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                        > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                        > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                        > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                        > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                        > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                        > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                        > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                        > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                        > > > > kindest Regards,
                        > > > > John
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                        > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • purple_sky@verizon.net
                        Looney Tunes are considered not to be PC enough. There are too many professional victims out there who are so easily offended that they just don t air them
                        Message 11 of 18 , Mar 28 7:23 PM
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                          Looney Tunes are considered not to be PC enough.  There are too many professional victims out there who are so easily 'offended' that they just don't air them anymore.
                           
                          Same with Mr Magoo.  Seems that some in the 'visually impaired community' got their knickers in a twist over Magoo, saying that he portrayed them in an unflattering light.  Huh?  Whatever.  Again, IMHO a bunch of professional victims.
                           
                          What we never thought twice about is now considered 'hate speech' and all but illegal, while horribly violent and prurient content is considered okay to put on broadcast TV.  Have you heard the LANGUAGE they use on some of those shows?  My heavens!  Back when we were all growing up some stations refused to air an episode of Star Trek (City on the Edge of Forever) because the very last line was Kirk saying, 'Let's get the hell out of here!'  And now every other word is S this and SOB that and BS something else, and !#$*%^&*! etc., etc., etc.
                           
                          There was even a huge uproar about an episode of Leave it to Beaver where a goldfish dies and Wally flushes him down the toilet -- but the censors refused to let them show the bowl, so they shelved the episode and reworked it with only the TOP of the tank being shown!
                           
                          And now we have, as the example you quoted, Family Guy.  Every episode is filled with sex and violence.  And yet shown in prime time.
                           
                          Look, to each his own, but I really miss the days of such wonderful fare as Cartoon Corners, Capt Noah, Pixanne, and the rest that we've been reminiscing about.  Gene was SUCH a role model for me, and it was in part his example that led me to take my degrees in fine art and music.  Today I make my living as a graphic artist, but I doubt if I would have had enough confidence in myself to pursue such a career if it hadn't been for Gene's encouragement through Cartoon Corners.
                           
                          Sadly, today there are NO such role models, mentors or Good Examples on television for our children and grandchildren to follow. 
                           
                          Laura
                           
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Bill
                          Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:02 AM
                          Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues

                          Pam:

                          How true!  Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone? 

                          As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.

                          With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons.  Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks", which was about disabled ducks.

                          The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long.  Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well.  Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!

                          I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube.  (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)

                          There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song. 

                          My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:

                          Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                          Send today, send right away
                          Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                          We'll hang them high
                          In the TV sky...
                          ;-)

                          Bill

                          --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there.  I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children.  Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                          >
                          > Pam
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                          > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                          > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would 
                          > > > definitely make the trip again
                          > > > Trenton, NJ
                          > > > regards,
                          > > > .rz
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > >  In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya" 
                          > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                          > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions 
                          > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is 
                          > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, 
                          > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning 
                          > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three 
                          > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this 
                          > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the 
                          > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a 
                          > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to 
                          > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have 
                          > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than 
                          > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be 
                          > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as 
                          > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he  decides, it will 
                          > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the 
                          > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across 
                          > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would 
                          > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                          > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions 
                          > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                          > > > >                     kindest Regards,
                          > > > >                                  John
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > --
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                          > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures.  - Buddha
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >




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                        • bakerjohnp1958
                          ... On the other topic, I don t really understand what happened to Children s TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie
                          Message 12 of 18 , Mar 28 7:50 PM
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                            --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <ashburnstadium@...> wrote:
                            >The only clips we have right now are what's in the files section. Gene has episodes In his collection that he's transferring, there have been several road blocks getting it done quicker, but mostly it involves the fragility of the materials not any rights dispute.
                            On the other topic, I don't really understand what happened to Children's TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie Melodies or Loony toons. Casper the friendly ghost or baby Huey.
                            Sat. mornings are terrible. There really is no quality programming for children between the ages of 7-12. It's either for much younger children or the older teenage fair 14-18. The quality of many of those "older" shows, is also debatable. There are some exceptions, but their few and far between.

                            true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?
                            >
                            > As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.
                            >
                            > With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks", which was about disabled ducks.
                            >
                            > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                            >
                            > I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)
                            >
                            > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.
                            >
                            > My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                            >
                            > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                            > Send today, send right away
                            > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                            > We'll hang them high
                            > In the TV sky...
                            > ;-)
                            >
                            > Bill
                            >
                            > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                            > >
                            > > Pam
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                            > > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                            > > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                            > > > > definitely make the trip again
                            > > > > Trenton, NJ
                            > > > > regards,
                            > > > > .rz
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                            > > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                            > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                            > > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                            > > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                            > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                            > > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                            > > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                            > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                            > > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                            > > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                            > > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                            > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                            > > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                            > > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                            > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                            > > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                            > > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                            > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                            > > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                            > > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                            > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                            > > > > > kindest Regards,
                            > > > > > John
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > --
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                            > > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                            > > > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • bakerjohnp1958
                            ... Another really interesting thing is, despite all this political In- correctness and violence that was in our beloved cartoons and shows the children who
                            Message 13 of 18 , Mar 28 8:56 PM
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                              --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
                              >Hello all,
                              Another really interesting thing is, despite all this political "In- correctness and violence" that was in our beloved cartoons and shows the children who have grown up in the era where it was "safely excised" indulge in more violent behavior than we even dreamed of. I know we played "cowboys and Indian's" and "Army" and yet despite that as we grew up we learned war and violence is a terrible thing and so is racial stereotyping. Now, how was that possible? could we have learned from our activities and balanced them against the "real world"? It's just odd that we played all these so called "terrible" games and watched this cartoon violence (as if it really was violent)(compared to to today, it doesn't come close) and we didn't act out in these awful ways.
                              As for Warner's and MGM today's execs can't put there name on old product and don't want to air it (even if it's great), they can't claim it for themselves from a creative point of view. Those shows are super "they're great!(think Tony the Tiger and the Cheerio's Kid)
                              from the 50's (when TV came into it's own) to the late 70's, kids embraced this fantastic programming, why?, not because it was new necessarily, but because it was good and they were exposed to it. I remember in the late 70's they re-ran the "old" mickey mouse club and we loved it, the lone ranger was a staple. They also re-ran flash Gordon on Sun. Mornings and that was fun to watch.
                              I don't believe it's that children won't watch these types of programs (Including,Capt. kangaroo,(why not re-run that?)and Gene). It's that new programs generate more money for those who create and produce them, than older programming created by someone else. The company may make more, given the way things were back then, when those shows were produced, but not the individuals in power now.
                              Why then, don't they want to create good TV for children? it's beyond me, maybe it's just easier for them. Although the site isn't about my editorializing or examining the Ill's of today's children's shows or how all the sex and violence is in prime time cartoons, I just had to touch on it though as some of you brought it up and it bothers me too. Thing was Jonny Quest and the Flintstones were originally "Prime time animated shows" and the whole family could sit down together and enjoy them equally, they were very well done and suitable for everyone. So I think instead of actually writing or creating something of Quality, they go for themes with"real world" offensive language and have to put sex blatantly into it, even the comedy. It's quick, it can appear clever and it's cheap and it's profitable, if it wasn't, it would disappear. It's a shame, to have to worry every minute your children and Grand children are watching TV.
                              So bottom line, we need shows like cartoon corners and we need role models like Gene. I'm not saying do away with shows people might like as everyone is certainly entitled to their preferences despite my feelings, but there is surely room for something better for Children and not just the totally educational oriented programming for the very young.
                              Kindest Regards,
                              John

                              > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <ashburnstadium@> wrote:
                              > >The only clips we have right now are what's in the files section. Gene has episodes In his collection that he's transferring, there have been several road blocks getting it done quicker, but mostly it involves the fragility of the materials not any rights dispute.
                              > On the other topic, I don't really understand what happened to Children's TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie Melodies or Loony toons. Casper the friendly ghost or baby Huey.
                              > Sat. mornings are terrible. There really is no quality programming for children between the ages of 7-12. It's either for much younger children or the older teenage fair 14-18. The quality of many of those "older" shows, is also debatable. There are some exceptions, but their few and far between.
                              >
                              > true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?
                              > >
                              > > As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.
                              > >
                              > > With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks", which was about disabled ducks.
                              > >
                              > > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                              > >
                              > > I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)
                              > >
                              > > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.
                              > >
                              > > My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                              > >
                              > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                              > > Send today, send right away
                              > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                              > > We'll hang them high
                              > > In the TV sky...
                              > > ;-)
                              > >
                              > > Bill
                              > >
                              > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                              > > >
                              > > > Pam
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                              > > > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                              > > > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                              > > > > > definitely make the trip again
                              > > > > > Trenton, NJ
                              > > > > > regards,
                              > > > > > .rz
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > > In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "purvapoonya"
                              > > > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                              > > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                              > > > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                              > > > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                              > > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                              > > > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                              > > > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                              > > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                              > > > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                              > > > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                              > > > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                              > > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/show, more than
                              > > > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                              > > > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                              > > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                              > > > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                              > > > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                              > > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                              > > > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                              > > > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                              > > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                              > > > > > > kindest Regards,
                              > > > > > > John
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > --
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                              > > > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                              > > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • DEBBIE COUTURE
                              Amen to that. I m all for CGI, but where is the creativity? My kids grew up watching bugs bunny and loony toons. My youngest son (18) would have a fit cause we
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                                Amen to that. I'm all for CGI, but where is the creativity? My kids grew up watching bugs bunny and loony toons. My youngest son (18) would have a fit cause we wouldn't let him watch South Park or Bevis and Butt head. Although I have to admit, I liked them, and watched  after he went to bed.

                                --- On Sat, 3/28/09, purple_sky@... <purple_sky@...> wrote:

                                From: purple_sky@... <purple_sky@...>
                                Subject: Re: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 10:23 PM

                                Looney Tunes are considered not to be PC enough.  There are too many professional victims out there who are so easily 'offended' that they just don't air them anymore.
                                 
                                Same with Mr Magoo.  Seems that some in the 'visually impaired community' got their knickers in a twist over Magoo, saying that he portrayed them in an unflattering light.  Huh?  Whatever.  Again, IMHO a bunch of professional victims.
                                 
                                What we never thought twice about is now considered 'hate speech' and all but illegal, while horribly violent and prurient content is considered okay to put on broadcast TV.  Have you heard the LANGUAGE they use on some of those shows?  My heavens!  Back when we were all growing up some stations refused to air an episode of Star Trek (City on the Edge of Forever) because the very last line was Kirk saying, 'Let's get the hell out of here!'  And now every other word is S this and SOB that and BS something else, and !#$*%^&*! etc., etc., etc.
                                 
                                There was even a huge uproar about an episode of Leave it to Beaver where a goldfish dies and Wally flushes him down the toilet -- but the censors refused to let them show the bowl, so they shelved the episode and reworked it with only the TOP of the tank being shown!
                                 
                                And now we have, as the example you quoted, Family Guy.  Every episode is filled with sex and violence.  And yet shown in prime time.
                                 
                                Look, to each his own, but I really miss the days of such wonderful fare as Cartoon Corners, Capt Noah, Pixanne, and the rest that we've been reminiscing about.  Gene was SUCH a role model for me, and it was in part his example that led me to take my degrees in fine art and music.  Today I make my living as a graphic artist, but I doubt if I would have had enough confidence in myself to pursue such a career if it hadn't been for Gene's encouragement through Cartoon Corners.
                                 
                                Sadly, today there are NO such role models, mentors or Good Examples on television for our children and grandchildren to follow. 
                                 
                                Laura
                                 
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Bill
                                Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:02 AM
                                Subject: [Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues

                                Pam:

                                How true!  Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone? 

                                As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.

                                With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons.  Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks" , which was about disabled ducks.

                                The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long.  Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well.  Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!

                                I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube.  (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)

                                There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song. 

                                My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:

                                Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                Send today, send right away
                                Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                We'll hang them high
                                In the TV sky...
                                ;-)

                                Bill

                                --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there.  I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children.  Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                                >
                                > Pam
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                                > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                                > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would 
                                > > > definitely make the trip again
                                > > > Trenton, NJ
                                > > > regards,
                                > > > .rz
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > >  In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya" 
                                > > > > <purvapoonya@> wrote:
                                > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions 
                                > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is 
                                > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, 
                                > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning 
                                > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three 
                                > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this 
                                > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the 
                                > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a 
                                > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to 
                                > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have 
                                > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than 
                                > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be 
                                > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as 
                                > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he  decides, it will 
                                > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the 
                                > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across 
                                > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would 
                                > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                                > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions 
                                > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                                > > > >                     kindest Regards,
                                > > > >                                  John
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > --
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                                > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures.  - Buddha
                                > > >
                                > >
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                              • DEBBIE COUTURE
                                I couldn t agree more. The kids today are way more violent than we ever thought of being. I also think educational programs for kids are great, but fun and
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                                  I couldn't agree more. The kids today are way more violent than we ever thought of being.
                                  I also think educational programs for kids are great, but fun and creativity are good too. The only example I see f this in todays preschool market is The Backyardigans.My 20 month old Grandson adores this show. And irt really does encourage creativity and imaginatin.
                                  They should rerun shows Like Genes with Live hosts. But alas I fear that era is only a memory, what a shame..

                                  --- On Sat, 3/28/09, bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:

                                  From: bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...>
                                  Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                  To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 11:56 PM

                                  --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ ...> wrote:
                                  >Hello all,
                                  Another really interesting thing is, despite all this political "In- correctness and violence" that was in our beloved cartoons and shows the children who have grown up in the era where it was "safely excised" indulge in more violent behavior than we even dreamed of. I know we played "cowboys and Indian's" and "Army" and yet despite that as we grew up we learned war and violence is a terrible thing and so is racial stereotyping. Now, how was that possible? could we have learned from our activities and balanced them against the "real world"? It's just odd that we played all these so called "terrible" games and watched this cartoon violence (as if it really was violent)(compared to to today, it doesn't come close) and we didn't act out in these awful ways.
                                  As for Warner's and MGM today's execs can't put there name on old product and don't want to air it (even if it's great), they can't claim it for themselves from a creative point of view. Those shows are super "they're great!(think Tony the Tiger and the Cheerio's Kid)
                                  from the 50's (when TV came into it's own) to the late 70's, kids embraced this fantastic programming, why?, not because it was new necessarily, but because it was good and they were exposed to it. I remember in the late 70's they re-ran the "old" mickey mouse club and we loved it, the lone ranger was a staple. They also re-ran flash Gordon on Sun. Mornings and that was fun to watch.
                                  I don't believe it's that children won't watch these types of programs (Including,Capt. kangaroo,(why not re-run that?)and Gene). It's that new programs generate more money for those who create and produce them, than older programming created by someone else. The company may make more, given the way things were back then, when those shows were produced, but not the individuals in power now.
                                  Why then, don't they want to create good TV for children? it's beyond me, maybe it's just easier for them. Although the site isn't about my editorializing or examining the Ill's of today's children's shows or how all the sex and violence is in prime time cartoons, I just had to touch on it though as some of you brought it up and it bothers me too. Thing was Jonny Quest and the Flintstones were originally "Prime time animated shows" and the whole family could sit down together and enjoy them equally, they were very well done and suitable for everyone. So I think instead of actually writing or creating something of Quality, they go for themes with"real world" offensive language and have to put sex blatantly into it, even the comedy. It's quick, it can appear clever and it's cheap and it's profitable, if it wasn't, it would disappear. It's a shame, to have to worry every minute your children and Grand children are watching TV.
                                  So bottom line, we need shows like cartoon corners and we need role models like Gene. I'm not saying do away with shows people might like as everyone is certainly entitled to their preferences despite my feelings, but there is surely room for something better for Children and not just the totally educational oriented programming for the very young.
                                  Kindest Regards,
                                  John

                                  > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill" <ashburnstadium@ > wrote:
                                  > >The only clips we have right now are what's in the files section. Gene has episodes In his collection that he's transferring, there have been several road blocks getting it done quicker, but mostly it involves the fragility of the materials not any rights dispute.
                                  > On the other topic, I don't really understand what happened to Children's TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie Melodies or Loony toons. Casper the friendly ghost or baby Huey.
                                  > Sat. mornings are terrible. There really is no quality programming for children between the ages of 7-12. It's either for much younger children or the older teenage fair 14-18. The quality of many of those "older" shows, is also debatable. There are some exceptions, but their few and far between.
                                  >
                                  > true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?
                                  > >
                                  > > As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.
                                  > >
                                  > > With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks" , which was about disabled ducks.
                                  > >
                                  > > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                                  > >
                                  > > I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)
                                  > >
                                  > > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.
                                  > >
                                  > > My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                                  > >
                                  > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                  > > Send today, send right away
                                  > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                  > > We'll hang them high
                                  > > In the TV sky...
                                  > > ;-)
                                  > >
                                  > > Bill
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Pam
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ > wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@ > wrote:
                                  > > > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                                  > > > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                                  > > > > > definitely make the trip again
                                  > > > > > Trenton, NJ
                                  > > > > > regards,
                                  > > > > > .rz
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > > In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya"
                                  > > > > > > <purvapoonya@ > wrote:
                                  > > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                                  > > > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                                  > > > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                                  > > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                                  > > > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                                  > > > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                                  > > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                                  > > > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                                  > > > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                                  > > > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                                  > > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than
                                  > > > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                                  > > > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                                  > > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                                  > > > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                                  > > > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                                  > > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                                  > > > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                                  > > > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                                  > > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                                  > > > > > > kindest Regards,
                                  > > > > > > John
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > --
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                                  > > > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >


                                • bakerjohnp1958
                                  ... I have noticed something interesting that s an indication of where things are The new Batman film is very Dark, yet the toys are in the aisles, while
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                                    --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, DEBBIE COUTURE <bizzy.buzzbuzz@...> wrote:
                                    > Well, they were really for teenagers over, I'd say 16 and adults, they'd say 13 and up.(debatable) At least people old enough and responsible enough to know the behavior in them isn't something to be emulated. Laughed at by someone mature enough to reason that it's so ridiculous and out there. Yet, some people do behave that way, probably more so than there would have been because children were exposed to it as "something cool". One can only ask, Where were the responsible adults in their lives? Children are very impressionable and I know many people have the Idea that if "it's animated" it's OK for everyone. If you provide good, alternate viewing choices children will watch, we did. Then though adults and programmer's were more responsible with what they marketed to children. Adults can make their own minds up.
                                    I have noticed something interesting that's an indication of "where things are" The new Batman film is very Dark, yet the toys are in the aisles, while there are more adult collectors today, Children 3-10 still drive the market. Again many people think "hey it's Batman" it has to be OK. Well, this isn't the same as the comics and shows we grew up with. In the end, everyone ultimately has to decide what's appropriate for their own children and what's not. It would just be nice If there were better choices and more of them and they were produced and marketed to the right people.
                                    Best Regards,
                                    John

                                    > Amen to that. I'm all for CGI, but where is the creativity? My kids grew up watching bugs bunny and loony toons. My youngest son (18) would have a fit cause we wouldn't let him watch South Park or Bevis and Butt head. Although I have to admit, I liked them, and watched  after he went to bed.
                                    >
                                    > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, purple_sky@... <purple_sky@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > From: purple_sky@... <purple_sky@...>
                                    > Subject: Re: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                    > To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 10:23 PM
                                    >
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                                    > Looney Tunes are considered not to be PC enough.  There
                                    > are too many professional victims out there who are so easily 'offended' that
                                    > they just don't air them anymore.
                                    >  
                                    > Same with Mr Magoo.  Seems that some in the 'visually
                                    > impaired community' got their knickers in a twist over Magoo, saying that he
                                    > portrayed them in an unflattering light.  Huh?  Whatever.  Again,
                                    > IMHO a bunch of professional victims.
                                    >  
                                    > What we never thought twice about is now considered 'hate
                                    > speech' and all but illegal, while horribly violent and prurient content is
                                    > considered okay to put on broadcast TV.  Have you heard the LANGUAGE they
                                    > use on some of those shows?  My heavens!  Back when we were all
                                    > growing up some stations refused to air an episode of Star Trek (City on the
                                    > Edge of Forever) because the very last line was Kirk saying, 'Let's get the hell
                                    > out of here!'  And now every other word is S this and SOB that and BS
                                    > something else, and !#$*%^&*! etc., etc., etc.
                                    >  
                                    > There was even a huge uproar about an episode of Leave it to
                                    > Beaver where a goldfish dies and Wally flushes him down the toilet -- but the
                                    > censors refused to let them show the bowl, so they shelved the episode and
                                    > reworked it with only the TOP of the tank being shown!
                                    >  
                                    > And now we have, as the example you quoted, Family Guy. 
                                    > Every episode is filled with sex and violence.  And yet shown in prime
                                    > time.
                                    >  
                                    > Look, to each his own, but I really miss
                                    > the days of such wonderful fare as Cartoon Corners, Capt Noah, Pixanne, and the
                                    > rest that we've been reminiscing about.  Gene was SUCH a role model for me,
                                    > and it was in part his example that led me to take my degrees in fine art and
                                    > music.  Today I make my living as a graphic artist, but I doubt if I would
                                    > have had enough confidence in myself to pursue such a career if it hadn't been
                                    > for Gene's encouragement through Cartoon Corners.
                                    >  
                                    > Sadly, today there are NO such role models, mentors or Good
                                    > Examples on television for our children and grandchildren to follow. 
                                    >
                                    >  
                                    > Laura
                                    >  
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From:
                                    > Bill
                                    > To: Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com
                                    >
                                    > Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:02
                                    > AM
                                    > Subject: [Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners]
                                    > Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                    >
                                    > Pam:
                                    >
                                    > How true!  Where have people like the Londons
                                    > (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain
                                    > & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone? 
                                    >
                                    > As
                                    > of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has
                                    > taken up their mantle.
                                    >
                                    > With very few exceptions, what passes for
                                    > children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible
                                    > cartoons.  Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately
                                    > with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks" , which was about disabled
                                    > ducks.
                                    >
                                    > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault,
                                    > except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. 
                                    > Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as
                                    > well.  Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                                    >
                                    > I
                                    > can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube.  (Does Gene own any clips
                                    > that John or him can post?)
                                    >
                                    > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality
                                    > clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send
                                    > Your Pictures" song. 
                                    >
                                    > My childhood best friend, who now lives
                                    > near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                                    >
                                    > Send your sisters to dear
                                    > old Captain Noah
                                    > Send today, send right away
                                    > Send your sisters to dear
                                    > old Captain Noah
                                    > We'll hang them high
                                    > In the TV
                                    > sky...
                                    > ;-)
                                    >
                                    > Bill
                                    >
                                    > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com,
                                    > "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I am so excited about the
                                    > prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there.  I
                                    > have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish
                                    > there were something like that today for their children.  Where ever and
                                    > when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids
                                    > on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                                    > >
                                    > > Pam
                                    > >
                                    >
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com,
                                    > "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ---
                                    > In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com,
                                    > Richie Z <hotsumatra@> wrote:
                                    > > > >The Trenton War memorial
                                    > might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                                    > > > > Trenton War
                                    > Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would 
                                    > > > >
                                    > definitely make the trip again
                                    > > > > Trenton, NJ
                                    > > > >
                                    > regards,
                                    > > > > .rz
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > >
                                    > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    >
                                    > > > > >  In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com,
                                    > "purvapoonya" 
                                    > > > > > <purvapoonya@>
                                    > wrote:
                                    > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as
                                    > any and all suggestions 
                                    > > > > >> are. The intimacy of
                                    > a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is 
                                    > > > >
                                    > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said, 
                                    >
                                    > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two
                                    > presentations morning 
                                    > > > > >> and evening or
                                    > afternoon and evening and possibly two or three 
                                    > > > >
                                    > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this 
                                    >
                                    > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly
                                    > aware of the 
                                    > > > > >> amount of people who would want
                                    > to attend, he's also looking for a 
                                    > > > > >> place
                                    > where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to 
                                    > >
                                    > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some
                                    > have 
                                    > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a
                                    > presentation/ show, more than 
                                    > > > > >> just an all day
                                    > signing, convention type of event. There will be 
                                    > > > >
                                    > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as 
                                    >
                                    > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever
                                    > he  decides, it will 
                                    > > > > >> be very special
                                    > and won't be like other events. The Idea is the 
                                    > > > >
                                    > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes,
                                    > across 
                                    > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset
                                    > some over crowding. He would 
                                    > > > > >> rather not put
                                    > too much distance between himself and the audience/
                                    > > > >
                                    > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the
                                    > suggestions 
                                    > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and
                                    > I know Gene does too.
                                    > > > >
                                    > >                    
                                    > kindest Regards,
                                    > > > >
                                    > >                                 
                                    > John
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --
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                                    > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > People often remain unaware of the
                                    > inevitable sufferings of life
                                    > > > > because they are distracted by
                                    > temporary pleasures.  - Buddha
                                    > > > >
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                                  • bakerjohnp1958
                                    ... way,that works for some shows, but not for others, once a child reaches a certain age, it becomes tedious. the subtleness of the aforementioned shows, I
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                                      --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, DEBBIE COUTURE <bizzy.buzzbuzz@...> wrote:
                                      >oh, yes for the younger children the backyardigans is creative as wow wow wubsy is, they teach too, but not in a "learn this" repetitive
                                      way,that works for some shows, but not for others, once a child reaches a certain age, it becomes tedious. the subtleness of the aforementioned shows, I think makes them fun. The old "disguise the lesson as an adventure" device still works. Lazy town also teaches valuble lessons, one which goes un-noticed is the fact that the charater "Robbie Rotten" always dresses up as people the children trust, in the end they realize "what you see is not always what you get". ( Just because someone looks like a friend they might not be) what a great lesson today for children) yet, it's subtle and down played, but kids get it. Besides the art and exposure to many things, such as reptiles in the zoo or "the world around us" Gene taught us moral lessons too, in a subtle way, it was al geared to reinforce good values. That particular era is gone, but I believe children would love a show like Genes. Especially if it were an incorporation of both popular formats. The art/cartoons/discovery in one part and the adventure series as another all as one big show. Something for all age groups so to speak. PS. for music "Jacks big music show" is fun, But again it aimed at younger children. The 8-12 group needs better programming.
                                      best regards, John
                                      > I couldn't agree more. The kids today are way more violent than we ever thought of being.
                                      > I also think educational programs for kids are great, but fun and creativity are good too. The only example I see f this in todays preschool market is The Backyardigans.My 20 month old Grandson adores this show. And irt really does encourage creativity and imaginatin.
                                      > They should rerun shows Like Genes with Live hosts. But alas I fear that era is only a memory, what a shame..
                                      >
                                      > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > From: bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@...>
                                      > Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                      > To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 11:56 PM
                                      >
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                                      > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ ...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > >Hello all,
                                      >
                                      > Another really interesting thing is, despite all this political "In- correctness and violence" that was in our beloved cartoons and shows the children who have grown up in the era where it was "safely excised" indulge in more violent behavior than we even dreamed of. I know we played "cowboys and Indian's" and "Army" and yet despite that as we grew up we learned war and violence is a terrible thing and so is racial stereotyping. Now, how was that possible? could we have learned from our activities and balanced them against the "real world"? It's just odd that we played all these so called "terrible" games and watched this cartoon violence (as if it really was violent)(compared to to today, it doesn't come close) and we didn't act out in these awful ways.
                                      >
                                      > As for Warner's and MGM today's execs can't put there name on old product and don't want to air it (even if it's great), they can't claim it for themselves from a creative point of view. Those shows are super "they're great!(think Tony the Tiger and the Cheerio's Kid)
                                      >
                                      > from the 50's (when TV came into it's own) to the late 70's, kids embraced this fantastic programming, why?, not because it was new necessarily, but because it was good and they were exposed to it. I remember in the late 70's they re-ran the "old" mickey mouse club and we loved it, the lone ranger was a staple. They also re-ran flash Gordon on Sun. Mornings and that was fun to watch.
                                      >
                                      > I don't believe it's that children won't watch these types of programs (Including,Capt. kangaroo,(why not re-run that?)and Gene). It's that new programs generate more money for those who create and produce them, than older programming created by someone else. The company may make more, given the way things were back then, when those shows were produced, but not the individuals in power now.
                                      >
                                      > Why then, don't they want to create good TV for children? it's beyond me, maybe it's just easier for them. Although the site isn't about my editorializing or examining the Ill's of today's children's shows or how all the sex and violence is in prime time cartoons, I just had to touch on it though as some of you brought it up and it bothers me too. Thing was Jonny Quest and the Flintstones were originally "Prime time animated shows" and the whole family could sit down together and enjoy them equally, they were very well done and suitable for everyone. So I think instead of actually writing or creating something of Quality, they go for themes with"real world" offensive language and have to put sex blatantly into it, even the comedy. It's quick, it can appear clever and it's cheap and it's profitable, if it wasn't, it would disappear. It's a shame, to have to worry every minute your children and Grand children are watching TV.
                                      >
                                      > So bottom line, we need shows like cartoon corners and we need role models like Gene. I'm not saying do away with shows people might like as everyone is certainly entitled to their preferences despite my feelings, but there is surely room for something better for Children and not just the totally educational oriented programming for the very young.
                                      >
                                      > Kindest Regards,
                                      >
                                      > John
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill" <ashburnstadium@ > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > >The only clips we have right now are what's in the files section. Gene has episodes In his collection that he's transferring, there have been several road blocks getting it done quicker, but mostly it involves the fragility of the materials not any rights dispute.
                                      >
                                      > > On the other topic, I don't really understand what happened to Children's TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie Melodies or Loony toons. Casper the friendly ghost or baby Huey.
                                      >
                                      > > Sat. mornings are terrible. There really is no quality programming for children between the ages of 7-12. It's either for much younger children or the older teenage fair 14-18. The quality of many of those "older" shows, is also debatable. There are some exceptions, but their few and far between.
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                      > > true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks" , which was about disabled ducks.
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                      >
                                      > > > Send today, send right away
                                      >
                                      > > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                      >
                                      > > > We'll hang them high
                                      >
                                      > > > In the TV sky...
                                      >
                                      > > > ;-)
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > Bill
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                                      >
                                      > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > Pam
                                      >
                                      > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@ > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > definitely make the trip again
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > Trenton, NJ
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > regards,
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > .rz
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > > In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya"
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > > <purvapoonya@ > wrote:
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > > kindest Regards,
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > > John
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > --
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                                      >
                                      > > > > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                                      >
                                      > > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > > >
                                      >
                                      > > >
                                      >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                    • bakerjohnp1958
                                      ... I have to put this disclaimer in to protect Gene, None of my suggestions or comments should be taken as endorsements from Gene (London)nor should they be
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                                        --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@...> wrote:
                                        >I just thought I would mention that I do think there is a show that fits the bill very nicely for the 8-12 age group. It was on fairly recently, it was called "Liberty's Kids" it's an animated program and it takes place during the revolution. Children decide to be reporters of sorts and chronicle the war. Walter Cronkite was the "voice" of Benjamin Franklin. They find themselves in all sort of situations, there's plenty of adventure as well as a history lesson. It aired on ch. 17 for a while and PBS. I thought it was very well done.
                                        I have to put this disclaimer in to protect Gene, None of my suggestions or comments
                                        should be taken as endorsements from Gene (London)nor should they be viewed as being in agreement with his opinions or views. While they may or may not be, what views I express are solely my own. When I'm posting something specifically from Gene I'll identify it as such.
                                        I know you all probably realize this, but this way no one can argue otherwise if something comes up.
                                        Best Regards, John
                                        > --- In Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com, DEBBIE COUTURE <bizzy.buzzbuzz@> wrote:
                                        > >oh, yes for the younger children the backyardigans is creative as wow wow wubsy is, they teach too, but not in a "learn this" repetitive
                                        > way,that works for some shows, but not for others, once a child reaches a certain age, it becomes tedious. the subtleness of the aforementioned shows, I think makes them fun. The old "disguise the lesson as an adventure" device still works. Lazy town also teaches valuble lessons, one which goes un-noticed is the fact that the charater "Robbie Rotten" always dresses up as people the children trust, in the end they realize "what you see is not always what you get". ( Just because someone looks like a friend they might not be) what a great lesson today for children) yet, it's subtle and down played, but kids get it. Besides the art and exposure to many things, such as reptiles in the zoo or "the world around us" Gene taught us moral lessons too, in a subtle way, it was al geared to reinforce good values. That particular era is gone, but I believe children would love a show like Genes. Especially if it were an incorporation of both popular formats. The art/cartoons/discovery in one part and the adventure series as another all as one big show. Something for all age groups so to speak. PS. for music "Jacks big music show" is fun, But again it aimed at younger children. The 8-12 group needs better programming.
                                        > best regards, John
                                        > > I couldn't agree more. The kids today are way more violent than we ever thought of being.
                                        > > I also think educational programs for kids are great, but fun and creativity are good too. The only example I see f this in todays preschool market is The Backyardigans.My 20 month old Grandson adores this show. And irt really does encourage creativity and imaginatin.
                                        > > They should rerun shows Like Genes with Live hosts. But alas I fear that era is only a memory, what a shame..
                                        > >
                                        > > --- On Sat, 3/28/09, bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > From: bakerjohnp1958 <bakerjohnp1958@>
                                        > > Subject: [Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners] Lousy kids' shows - was Re: possible show venues
                                        > > To: Gene_Londons_Cartoon_Corners@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 11:56 PM
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ ...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >Hello all,
                                        > >
                                        > > Another really interesting thing is, despite all this political "In- correctness and violence" that was in our beloved cartoons and shows the children who have grown up in the era where it was "safely excised" indulge in more violent behavior than we even dreamed of. I know we played "cowboys and Indian's" and "Army" and yet despite that as we grew up we learned war and violence is a terrible thing and so is racial stereotyping. Now, how was that possible? could we have learned from our activities and balanced them against the "real world"? It's just odd that we played all these so called "terrible" games and watched this cartoon violence (as if it really was violent)(compared to to today, it doesn't come close) and we didn't act out in these awful ways.
                                        > >
                                        > > As for Warner's and MGM today's execs can't put there name on old product and don't want to air it (even if it's great), they can't claim it for themselves from a creative point of view. Those shows are super "they're great!(think Tony the Tiger and the Cheerio's Kid)
                                        > >
                                        > > from the 50's (when TV came into it's own) to the late 70's, kids embraced this fantastic programming, why?, not because it was new necessarily, but because it was good and they were exposed to it. I remember in the late 70's they re-ran the "old" mickey mouse club and we loved it, the lone ranger was a staple. They also re-ran flash Gordon on Sun. Mornings and that was fun to watch.
                                        > >
                                        > > I don't believe it's that children won't watch these types of programs (Including,Capt. kangaroo,(why not re-run that?)and Gene). It's that new programs generate more money for those who create and produce them, than older programming created by someone else. The company may make more, given the way things were back then, when those shows were produced, but not the individuals in power now.
                                        > >
                                        > > Why then, don't they want to create good TV for children? it's beyond me, maybe it's just easier for them. Although the site isn't about my editorializing or examining the Ill's of today's children's shows or how all the sex and violence is in prime time cartoons, I just had to touch on it though as some of you brought it up and it bothers me too. Thing was Jonny Quest and the Flintstones were originally "Prime time animated shows" and the whole family could sit down together and enjoy them equally, they were very well done and suitable for everyone. So I think instead of actually writing or creating something of Quality, they go for themes with"real world" offensive language and have to put sex blatantly into it, even the comedy. It's quick, it can appear clever and it's cheap and it's profitable, if it wasn't, it would disappear. It's a shame, to have to worry every minute your children and Grand children are watching TV.
                                        > >
                                        > > So bottom line, we need shows like cartoon corners and we need role models like Gene. I'm not saying do away with shows people might like as everyone is certainly entitled to their preferences despite my feelings, but there is surely room for something better for Children and not just the totally educational oriented programming for the very young.
                                        > >
                                        > > Kindest Regards,
                                        > >
                                        > > John
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill" <ashburnstadium@ > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > >The only clips we have right now are what's in the files section. Gene has episodes In his collection that he's transferring, there have been several road blocks getting it done quicker, but mostly it involves the fragility of the materials not any rights dispute.
                                        > >
                                        > > > On the other topic, I don't really understand what happened to Children's TV. In the mornings before school it a was ritual to watch bugs bunny and Merrie Melodies or Loony toons. Casper the friendly ghost or baby Huey.
                                        > >
                                        > > > Sat. mornings are terrible. There really is no quality programming for children between the ages of 7-12. It's either for much younger children or the older teenage fair 14-18. The quality of many of those "older" shows, is also debatable. There are some exceptions, but their few and far between.
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > true! Where have people like the Londons (other than Brenda Song's character on "Suite Life"), the Merbreiers (Captain & Mrs. Noah, or Carter & Pat M.) and the Starrs gone?
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > As of this writing, to my knowledge, all four are still alive, but no one has taken up their mantle.
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > With very few exceptions, what passes for children's entertainment today are very-grotesquely drawn, horrible cartoons. Family Guy, an adult-themed cartoon, even parodied that lately with their cartoon within a cartoon, "Handiquacks" , which was about disabled ducks.
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > The classic cartoons have been buried in the Warner vault, except for pirated copies on YouTube which don't stay posted for long. Warner also now owns the MGM cartoon library and keeps that buried as well. Many kids today have never even heard of Looney Tunes!
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > I can't even find "Cartoon Corners" on YouTube. (Does Gene own any clips that John or him can post?)
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > There's a Pixanne clip and one poor-quality clip of "Captain Noah and His Magical Ark", where they are doing the "Send Your Pictures" song.
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > My childhood best friend, who now lives near Omaha, NE, used to parody that song as:
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                        > >
                                        > > > > Send today, send right away
                                        > >
                                        > > > > Send your sisters to dear old Captain Noah
                                        > >
                                        > > > > We'll hang them high
                                        > >
                                        > > > > In the TV sky...
                                        > >
                                        > > > > ;-)
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > Bill
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "pamrenn" <pamrenn@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > I am so excited about the prospect of of show with Gene. I know my sister and I will be there. I have talked about the show to my grown children and both have said they wish there were something like that today for their children. Where ever and when ever there will be a van full of grown girls from Philly and their kids on the road heading for an evening of enjoyment.
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > Pam
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "bakerjohnp1958" <bakerjohnp1958@ > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > --- In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, Richie Z <hotsumatra@ > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >The Trenton War memorial might make for a nice Nostaligic event.
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > Trenton War Memorial? i saw him there when i was a lad, would
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > definitely make the trip again
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > Trenton, NJ
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > regards,
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > .rz
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:41 PM, bakerjohnp1958 wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > > In Gene_Londons_ Cartoon_Corners@ yahoogroups. com, "purvapoonya"
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > > <purvapoonya@ > wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> Jessica, your suggestion was just fine, as any and all suggestions
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> are. The intimacy of a theatre such as this appeals to Gene. It is
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> very "Cartoon Corners", I even sent it to him and he said,
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> something to the effect that he could do Two presentations morning
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> and evening or afternoon and evening and possibly two or three
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> days, a Fri. evening, Sat and Sunday. He suggested himself this
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> might be nice for our group. While he's certainly aware of the
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> amount of people who would want to attend, he's also looking for a
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> place where taping would be optimal and things would be easier to
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> control. He hasn't decided on the locations yet, tho' some have
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> been looked at. He's looking to do a presentation/ show, more than
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> just an all day signing, convention type of event. There will be
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> time for meet and greet as well as he wants to interact with as
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> many of us as possible, you know Gene whatever he decides, it will
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> be very special and won't be like other events. The Idea is the
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> "tour" will be held at multiple venues of different sizes, across
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> the tri-state. Which should offset some over crowding. He would
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> rather not put too much distance between himself and the audience/
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> fans. It'll all work out. So please, everyone, keep the suggestions
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > >> coming, I want to hear them and I know Gene does too.
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > > kindest Regards,
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > > John
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > --
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > People often remain unaware of the inevitable sufferings of life
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > > because they are distracted by temporary pleasures. - Buddha
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        >
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