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    Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the GenGen-NV group. File : /Meeting
    Message 1 of 19 , Oct 7, 2012
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      File : /Meeting Notes./Geno 2.0 Comparison.doc
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      Description : Bill Hurst outline of Geno 2.0 test and comparison with other available DNA tests.

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    • William Hurst
      Hi all, There were questions Wednesday night about the price of the Y-DNA Deep Clade test. It may have been $89, but it s now $139. I think they would rather
      Message 2 of 19 , Oct 7, 2012
        Hi all,

        There were questions Wednesday night about the price of the Y-DNA Deep Clade test. It may have been $89, but it's now $139. I think they would rather you take the Geno 2.0 test, which includes many more Y-SNPs.

        Bill Hurst


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        Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 19:37:11 +0000
        Subject: [GenGen-NV] New file uploaded to GenGen-NV

         

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        Description : Bill Hurst outline of Geno 2.0 test and comparison with other available DNA tests.

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          File : /DeconstructQ-WD2Rev1.pdf
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          Description : A paper the grew from a February 2014 presentation on the Deconstruction of a Haplogroup using Haplogroup Q as an example.


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            File : /Triangulation.pdf
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            Description : Jim Bartlet's presentation: "Succeeding with Autosomal DNA and Triangulation for ICGG 20140815"


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          • GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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              File : /Genealogy Genetic Testing.S.pdf
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              Description : I mentioned at our last meeting that Nell Hurley and I have written a paper on DNA testing for K-12 teachers in Torun Poland. This is the paper and we would appreciate comments on it. Our intention is to generalize the paper by taking the Polish references out and giving it a wider distribution, particularly for Clan MacBean and other sites.
              Let us know your comments. Bill Howard (weh8 at verizon.net) and Nell Hurley (hurleyjenkins at erols.com)


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              Message 6 of 19 , Jan 6, 2015
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                Description : Here is a generic paper that Nell Hurley and I have written. Comments will be greatly appreciated. - - Bye from Bill Howard




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                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 23, 2015
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                  File : /Interpreting the RCC Tree.pdf
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                  Description : Many people have asked me questions about how to interpret the entries on an RCC Tree. My response is to write this paper of explanation. Feel free to share it and if you have any comments on it, I would appreciate receiving them. I think Sidney Sachs and Nell Hurley for their comments and suggestions that have improved the presentation. Many thanks. - Bye from Bill Howard


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                • GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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                    File : /Interpreting the RCC Tree&Matrix.pdf
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                    Description : Here is the latest version of a paper I am working on. Comments will be greatly appreciated. - Bye from Bill Howard




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                  • GenGen-NV@yahoogroups.com
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                      Description : Outline of talk given on Genealogy and DNA at Vinson Hall on 8 October 2015. A companion to the brief is a PowerPoint presentation also to be posted at this site.


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                        Description : PowerPoint slides of Genealogy and DNA talk presented to Vinson Hall on 8 October 2015. A companion to the brief is an outline also posted at this site.


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                          Description : POBI Article from about 2013. (easy reading)


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                              Description : First Official POBI Paper. Preliminary results in the Journal of European Genetics


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                                Description : Kevin Campbell's Presentation to the group. Note video link on page 4 for more complete presentation of this topic.


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                              • J. J. (Jim) Logan
                                Thank Kevin!! ==================== J. J. (Jim) Logan Logan DNA Project, J-mtDNA Project, GenGen-NV, ISOGG
                                Message 15 of 19 , Nov 5, 2015
                                  Thank Kevin!!
                                  ====================
                                  J. J. (Jim) Logan
                                  Logan DNA Project, J-mtDNA Project, GenGen-NV, ISOGG
                                  ===================================================================
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                                  Description : Kevin Campbell's Presentation to the group. Note video link on page 4 for more complete presentation of this topic.

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                                    Description : Prof. Joe Flood’s paper on R-L21


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                                  • J. J. (Jim) Logan
                                    Thanks Kevin. This study probably applies to over half of our members. Jim ==================== J. J. (Jim) Logan Logan DNA Project, J-mtDNA Project,
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Apr 30, 2016

                                      Thanks Kevin.  This study probably applies to over half of our members.

                                      Jim

                                      ====================
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                                    • jbarry6899
                                      FYI, the following was posted to the ISOGG Facebook page by Debbie Cruwys Kennett: Joe I m afraid I have some major conceptual issues with your paper. It is
                                      Message 18 of 19 , Apr 30, 2016
                                        FYI, the following was posted to the ISOGG Facebook page by  Debbie Cruwys Kennett:

                                        Joe

                                        I'm afraid I have some major conceptual issues with your paper.

                                        It is interesting to get some idea of the present-day distribution of haplogroups in the Family Tree DNA database. However, the FTDNA database represents a very biased sample, with hugely disproportionate numbers of people in the living in the US. People with ancestry from the British Isles, and specifically people of Scottish and Irish ancestry, are over-represented in the database, and people living in Continental Europe are under-represented. It is simply not possible to draw meaningful conclusions from such a dataset.

                                        There is considerable uncertainty in the dating of the different branches of the Y-DNA tree. Different methods produce different age estimates depending on whether you use evolutionary rates, pedigree rates or autosomal rates (see for example the Wang 2014 paper that you cite though you seem to have overlooked the issue of mutation rates altogether): http://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/.../2041...). As an example, the recently published Poznik paper gave two different dates for the age of R1b-L11 at 5.9 and 5.0 thousand years ago using two different methods. It is therefore not possible to claim that “NextGen sequencing of the rapidly branching R1b genome has allowed for reasonably accurate dating of L21 to about 2500 BC.” There is going to be a very wide confidence interval.

                                        Regardless of the issue with dating, which is unlikely to fit your Bell Beaker hypothesis, it is problematic to try and assign the origin of SNPs to specific cultural groups. Any such group is likely to consist of men with a wide range of different haplogroups, and the same haplogroup will be found in people who embrace a variety of different cultures.

                                        You seem to assume that there is 100% population continuity, but unfortunately our ancestry is convoluted and much more complicated than that. The picture is confounded by migration, genetic drift and population size changes in the past. Throughout human history migration has been the rule rather than the exception, and we now know from empirical data that "the current inhabitants of a region are often poor representatives of the populations that lived there in the distant past" (See Pickrell and Reich 2014: http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2014/03/21/003517). If you wish to use the haplotypes of living people to represent past populations you need to find some method of proving continuity.

                                        Ancient DNA is transforming the way that we look at the past, and ancient DNA has the advantage of providing direct evidence that a specific haplotype was present at a particular time in the past. Only a limited number of samples are available but it is now self-evident that the distribution and frequency of haplogroups in the past was very different from the spread today. No doubt many more ancient DNA samples will appear in the literature in the next few years and we might then have a better picture of the origins of the different branches of the Y-tree.

                                        You have coined the word phylogenealogy but that seems to be nothing more than a variation of what has been termed “interpretative phylogeography”. For the limitations of this approach see this page in the ISOGG Wiki and in particular the references that are cited therein:

                                        http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Phylogeography
                                        <p>Investigative Genetics is a peer-reviewed, open access journal that publishes articles on the…
                                        INVESTIGATIVEGENETICS.BIOMEDCENTRAL.COM

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