Re: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
- Not a problem that you want to reply to a comment, but that you need to load it up with snarky comments about "getting what I don't pay for" and "needing to scrounge". Reeeeeks of the troll.If you're going to act like a brat with silliness like that and then carry on for two paragraphs about the cost and availability of your preferred alternative, logically inferring that there is either something wrong with getting some use out of a waste product before it's recycled or something so much better about the citrus, then be man enough to state your case clearly and without all the juvenile emotional chaff like "sounds like you love the
stuff and you would never want to know about using anything else". If you can.From: Benjamin Nead <mcnead@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
Hey Jim . . .
Woa! Take it easy. I happen to find it novel (not offensive, weird,
horrific or stupid . . . but merely novel) that there are people
advertising they've got small amounts of left-over gasoline on the local
Craig's List and there are other people out there looking for it. Before
I read your post today, it was something I had never thought of.
My approach to disposing of an unwanted solvent is to simply give it to
the EPA and let them deal with it. Is someone, by definition, all that
much "greener" for searching it out from others (or being offered and
then accepting, however you want to refer to the particulars of the
transaction) and using a little of it first before passing it on to
someone else who wants to use it similarly? Well, maybe they are . . .
unless, of course, the next person simply dumps the unused toxic fluid
down the sewer or in the alleyway behind their house. Not saying that
you do this, Jim, but this sort of minor ecological faux pas could
happen in an informal solvent sharing supply chain like you describe.
But what am I? . . . just another heartless don in the Arizona Citrus
Mafia, pushing grapefruit byproducts (harvested in the burning sun by
underpaid, undocumented Mexican laborers and processed in squalid border
sweat shops, no less) and then fraudulently palming it off onto innocent
and unsuspecting hub rebuilders the world over, all while reaping a
massive profit in some great international money laundering scheme. How
I'm able to sleep at night is beyond me.
But seriously . . . here's where I'm confused, Jim. You mention in your
first post today that your recycled gas is "not my first choice," that
you "hate the smell" and that "it does leave residue as it evaps off."
So, uh . . . yeah . . . (sarcasm alert) . . . sounds like you love the
stuff and you would never want to know about using anything else. As to
why it's any of my business, it probably isn't . . . except you were the
one who volunteered the information to a user group with something like
500 members, not just to another in a private email. Then someone (me)
bothered to comment on it one way or another and suddenly your privacy
has been invaded? Let's just let cooler heads prevail and move on.
Later . . .
Ben in Tucson
> Benintucson --
> I don’t “scrounge” stale gas, the people are happy to give it away so
> that it goes to some use rather than being bought, never used and
> recycled. Which most folks would consider a waste. Not sure what would
> motivate your hectoring nanny scold about this since the gas
> is already out there with all it’s political and environmental costs
> already irretrievably spent, and is being used by me and then
> recycled. But I’m sure your citrus growing neighbors there in AZ are
> happy that you’re touting their (by)product and upping demand and
> thereby the price they can get for it.
> Had you been polite enough to read through the thread, before climbing
> up on your soap box, you would have found my original post in reply on
> the subject, wherein I said I mainly use orange hand cleaner and
> Finish Line orange bike spray. I shared my experiences with gasoline
> b/c someone inquired about it. But, please, do enlighten me with your
> reasoning on why purposing something headed for disposal anyway is a
> bad idea... and perhaps even why it's any of your business what I use.
> *From:* Benjamin Nead <mailto:mcnead%40earthlink.net>
> *To:* mailto:Geared_hub_bikes%40yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2013 4:31 PM
> *Subject:* [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
> Free leftover gasoline on Craigslist, Jim? I didn't know there was a
> market for such things! I guess these days it would all be unleaded,
> so at least you're not going to get those grey metal deposits from it.
> But it does still leave a residue? Hmmm . . . I guess you get what you
> (don't) pay for.
> Even a small-sized US town should have an auto parts supply store of
> some sort, so it's not as if you're going to have citrus thinner
> shipped in from some exotic faraway place or pay some exorbitant price
> for it. It's now a rather mainstream product. I don't know how tight
> your finances are, but a small jug will probably last you for a year
> or more and be well under $10 . . . unless your constantly overhauling
> hubs, which would then imply you're probably doing some of it for
> other people, getting nominal pay for that service and, thus, no
> longer having to scrounge for used gasoline. :-)
> The citrus thinners sold at green building supply stores will
> invariably be more expensive, since its purity will be such that
> finish carpenters will want to use relatively small amounts of it to
> do things like cleaning sawdust from the pores of wooden kitchen
> cutting boards before an oil finish is applied. This is the stuff I
> buy, since I might find myself doing exactly what I've just described
> above. There might be a few more impurities in the less expensive auto
> supply stuff, but this shouldn't be an issue when dunking that old S-W
> hub for an overnight degreasing.
> Ben in Tucson
> Cannot speak to others who have employed the gasoline, but I used old
> stuff that was going to recycling center, anyway, which is about as
> "green" as can be. We get people offering it for free from time to
> time on Craigslist, leftovers from generators, etc. It worked great,
> not my first choice since it does leave residue as it evaps off and I
> hate the smell. Also, gas is about 1/13 the pre-shipping cost per
> gallon of the citrus stuff, which remains a big factor for some of us.
- In Florida it is unlawful to dispense gas into glass containers, and I bet other states prohibit it. I could imagine some sort of electrical activity released as a glass container separated into pieces, even without a metal involved. And then the liquid gas and the vapors released from within would be suspended or splashing about, gaining lots of surface interface with the air and no doubt go fireball bonkers.Yeeeks!!! I guess I'm lucky the ca-ca didn't hit the fan and I'm not hideously burned or worse. Older, stale gas like I what used to clean bike parts that time has lost some volatility, but still....
From: bikealfa <mtwils@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:57 PM
Subject: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
I was strongly advised against gasoline in my younger days, back when it had lead. It was a contact poison as well as poisonous when ingested, and it had a very low flash point. Sheldon Brown said you could throw a lit match into a container of kerosene and nothing would happen. Gasoline was not that stable. The gas stations would not even put it in a glass jar; they claimed that if the glass broke you could get sparks that would set it alight.
I suspect that today's gasoline formulations are less poisonous and less volatile than the stuff of 40 years ago, but ...
Today I use very little solvent for washing bike parts. The 40 year old Sears wheel bearing grease does not seem to harden up, nor does the Phil grease that I got from a basement bike shop that went out of business. When I do need something I use alcohol or paint thinner, because those are available in the garage.
I don't wash chains, I lube them periodically and throw them away when they are worn out.