Re: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
- <<Or . . . they pull stuff out of their medicine chest, kitchen cabinets,
and car's gasoline tankCannot speak to others who have employed the gasoline, but I used old stuff that was going to recycling center, anyway, which is about as "green" as can be. We get people offering it for free from time to time on Craigslist, leftovers from generators, etc. It worked great, not my first choice since it does leave residue as it evaps off and I hate the smell. Also,gas is about1/13 the pre-shipping cost per gallon of the citrus stuff, which remains a big factor for some of us.From: Benjamin Nead <mcnead@...>
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
Chicken a 'la Orange Glaze. Ha ha, yes.
But seriously . . . I'm kind of amazed at the number of bizarre home
brew degreasing remedies being thrown around here lately and that many,
apparently, don't even know what's in the bottles or cans of household
their pulling off the shelves. Charcoal lighter fluid, by the way, is
essentially naptha. My guess that it's not only less expensive to buy
when labeled that way at the local hardware store, it's probably more
concentrated when purchased that way.
One of the reasons I started riding a bike again was to contribute less
to the pollution that would be coming out of my car's tailpipe. Then, I
join a discussion group like this and find that a surprising number
unnecessarily go out of their way to find the most toxic substances
imaginable to clean or lube their IGHs.
Or . . . they pull stuff out of their medicine chest, kitchen cabinets,
and car's gasoline tank . . . not even knowing what it is or not
realizing that these home brews are certainly going to be less effective
than readily available products designed to do exactly what they're
advertised to do. What's the old expression? . . . let's throw some shit
against the wall and see which pieces stick?
There's a reason that things like citrus-based degreasers have become
more popular over the years with people who use them for a living. They
do the job just as well as the older more toxic concoctions, they're
safer to be around and are easier to deal with when you have to discard
what's left over . . .
As for hub lubrication, gear oil has been used for over a century with
great success and it's still perfectly fine. Bicycle hubs don't turn at
3000 rpm and don't need all the exotic additives or detergents that are
found in automatic transmission fluid or modern automotive crankcase
oils. Keep it simple . . .
Ben in Tucson
> --- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Geared_hub_bikes%40yahoogroups.com>, "frameteam2003"
> <frameteam2003@...> wrote:
> > I like to use charcoal starter fluid---makes parts tast like chicken.
> So if I mix up some charcoal starter fluid and citrus degreaser, do
> you think my hub will be left with a Chicken a L'Orange glaze.
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- In Florida it is unlawful to dispense gas into glass containers, and I bet other states prohibit it. I could imagine some sort of electrical activity released as a glass container separated into pieces, even without a metal involved. And then the liquid gas and the vapors released from within would be suspended or splashing about, gaining lots of surface interface with the air and no doubt go fireball bonkers.Yeeeks!!! I guess I'm lucky the ca-ca didn't hit the fan and I'm not hideously burned or worse. Older, stale gas like I what used to clean bike parts that time has lost some volatility, but still....
From: bikealfa <mtwils@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:57 PM
Subject: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Good solvent
I was strongly advised against gasoline in my younger days, back when it had lead. It was a contact poison as well as poisonous when ingested, and it had a very low flash point. Sheldon Brown said you could throw a lit match into a container of kerosene and nothing would happen. Gasoline was not that stable. The gas stations would not even put it in a glass jar; they claimed that if the glass broke you could get sparks that would set it alight.
I suspect that today's gasoline formulations are less poisonous and less volatile than the stuff of 40 years ago, but ...
Today I use very little solvent for washing bike parts. The 40 year old Sears wheel bearing grease does not seem to harden up, nor does the Phil grease that I got from a basement bike shop that went out of business. When I do need something I use alcohol or paint thinner, because those are available in the garage.
I don't wash chains, I lube them periodically and throw them away when they are worn out.