Re: come out of that silly bunker
- OK folks. Lets move on and try to keep discussions to IGH uses and genuine personally experienced or known issues. Over the years almost all of the mass production IGH manufacturers have had units which had problems as nothing is perfect, including design engineers. SA has had several problem hubs. Most IGH units, particularly 2 and 3 speed units, have been designed to a price point aimed at utility cycles and cyclists.
As I noted earlier some riders truly need wide range hubs. Download "Living with a Rohloff" from the below linked to page and read about riding over the Andes at 20,000+ feet and other world tours.
I am glad Aarons and other such IGH savvy shops exist and just wish there were such in every urban area. I do ask that opinions expresed about any bicycle shop be based on personal experience. Aaron, the owner of that shop, has been a helpful, valued and knowledgeable contributor to this group.
--- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm Boyd <islsail@...> wrote:
> Well said, Michael and those of you have spoken up about such things
> as inflammatory judgments and insults. MB on MV
> On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:34 PM, michaelreid wrote:
> > Al,
> > Those SA hubs are fantastic. I've ridden a few and think they are
> > quite practical for many applications.
> > I've also ridden Nexus and Alfine 8 hubs (my terrain necessitates
> > more range) without any issues in the 6 years and thousands of
> > miles I've ridden them (commuting, recreational and basic
> > transportation).
> > I do agree that the added complexity of the 5,6,7,8+ gear hubs can
> > bring a higher risk of reliability issues, and there are several
> > hubs that did not fare well. However, the majority of these hubs
> > have proven to be quite reliable, and (in my opinion) offer a
> > practical alternative to a derailleur drivetrain for those with the
> > need for more range in their drive train.
> > To profess that anyone who uses anything other than a SA 2 or 3
> > speed is foolish and egocentric is a stretch, if not absurd, in my
> > opinion.
> > Posing provocative topics and raising concerns are essential to
> > meaningful discussion. I'm quite certain that there is a basis to
> > your opinions, but the nature of your posts leaves no room for
> > discussion - they are closed, inflammatory judgements. Dig a little
> > deeper without the name calling, and perhaps there is a rich
> > discussion buried in there.
> > Cheers,
> > Michael
> > --- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com, Al <k3eax@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well Michael, I do ride hub geared cycles every day. These are
> > equiped with SA-AW, SA-FW, and SA-S5/2 hubs. I also build my own
> > wheels and modify both chain-wheels and rear cogs to purpose.
> > Perhaps if there were other users with queries regarding the use
> > and repair of these sensible hubs , I might be a more active
> > contributor. However, the focus seems to be on the many problems
> > associated with the multi-multi Shimano and Rohloff hubs.
> > >
> > > Enjoy your tea,
> > >
> > > Al
> > >