Re: [Geared_hub_bikes] Re: Do You Use Headphones When Riding?
- I took my helmet with me when I went cycling in
and around Amsterdam. Got lots of snide comments
from the locals. Yeah, one of the highest
bicycle usage rates yet the only cyclists I saw
wearing helmets were racers out training in groups outside the city.
Here is a photo of the bikes we rented there for
our 100km rides out of town. An urban IGH with
every option on the planet. Fenders, rack, bunge
cords, kickstand, generator, built in wheel lock,
extra chain lock, lights, nearly full chain
guard, sign on the front in the native language
that I think translated to "watch out, clueless foreigner comin' at yah".
I talked to a former Trek drone who was in charge
of helmets at one time and got the lecture about
them. The packaging costs as much as the straps
which is about the same as the styrofoam shell
which is about the same as the product liability
insurance. Yeah, about $4 total. Snell wanted
$1 per approved helmet manufactured for their
seal of approval. Adding the snell label
increased their cost by 25%. He said it didn't
make any difference if it was a $20 box mart
helmet or a $150 race helmet, the cost of
manufacturing and the amount of protection was
about the same. The CPSC testing doesn't charge
by the helmet manufactured so it's any easy
decision to drop the now redundant Snell certification.
As to Snell being tougher, each test is different
and updated periodically and none will never
match your crashes. The latest Snell bicycle
helmet standard is nearly 15 years old which
corresponds to the introduction of the CPSC
requirement that all helmets sold in the USA be
CPSC approved. I've yet to own a helmet since
1970 that held up much more than 5 or 6
years. Some of the materials just seem to
dissolve by design. Most any helmet is dirt
cheap compared to just 1 trip to the local emergency room.
At 04:43 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote:
>Per my understanding the western countries with
>the highest cycle usage, Holland, Germany and
>Denmark; have the lowest cycle accident rates
>and lowest helmet usage. They have invested in
>cycle friendly infrastructure and much tougher
>training for motor vehicle drivers. Hitting a
>cyclist or pedestrian in Holland is a major
>driving offense. Anyone know if headphone usage is common in those countries?
>An interesting point Aaron raises. I am not sure
>of current law but it used to be in CA that
>driving a car on public roads while wearing a
>safety helmet was ILLEGAL!!!!! Required for some
>cyclists and all motorcyclists but verboten for
>car drivers. Now of course the airbags and
>safety harnesses in autos raise the price of a
>car by anything up to a couple of thousand
>dollars and the cost of replacing a full set of airbags is outrageous.
>As far as Snell approval goes the Snell
>foundation developed safety helmet standards
>long before there were any American government
>standards for them. Thus many racing
>organizations went with approval by the only
>real approval body around. IIRC the SCCA was the
>first to mandate Snell approved helmets. The
>last I knew the only Snell approved bicycle
>helmets available in the USA are those from
>Specialized. Snell test requirements are still tougher than government ones.
>Nevada is one of the few states left that does
>not require safety helmets for any age bicycle
>riders except on some Indian reservations.
>"aarons_bicycle_repair" <aaron@...> wrote:
> > I totally agree! Riding a bike really didn't
> get dangerous until they started selling
> helmets in the 1980s. All the helmet makers
> said it was dangerous and everyone needed one.
> The funny thing to me is that all early quality
> helmets in the USA were Snell certified. You
> couldn't sell a non-Snell helmet, hardly. Bike
> clubs required Snell certified helmets. The
> funny thing is: William 'Pete' Snell, who died
> of head injuries in a car crash in 1956 while
> wearing a leather helmet! So why aren't all car
> drivers and passengers forced to wear helmets?
> When moms come into my shop asking about the
> safety of their kids on bikes, I tell them they
> are safer than being in a car. You should never
> put a loved on in one of those metal boxes!
> (well not that often). And they should all ride IGH equipped bikes.
> > --- In
> David Chase <dr2chase@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Even though I agree with your conclusion, I don't like your premise.
> > > Riding a bicycle is not that dangerous; if
> it were, mortality rates would not be LOWER for
> bicycle commuters than they are for auto
> commuters (even after adjusting for risk factors).
> > >
> > > Or rather, my main task when riding my
> bicycle is to stay alive, but that has 9% to do
> with avoiding crashes, and 90% to do with
> choosing to ride the bicycle in the first place.
> > >
> > > That remaining 9%, is not a risk that is
> intrinsic to the bicycle, but is instead
> imposed on me by crappy infrastructure and
> careless people operating heavy machinery in
> public, at or beyond their cognitive abilities.
> In the short term the most effective way to
> deal with it might be to not wear headphones
> while cycling, but long-term, perhaps we could
> do a better job with road design and driver training.
> > >
> > > Sorry to digress like this, but when I read
> things implying that "BICYCLE RIDING IS
> DANGEROUS!!!!!" I cannot help but note that
> this is false, and researchers have scads of
> data to prove this. Driving cars to excess is
> what is dangerous -- and we have the mortality data to prove that, too.
> > >
> > > On 2012-05-08, at 1:37 PM, Frank wrote:
> > >
> > > > Your main task when riding in traffic is to stay alive.
> > >
- Per an email communication with Audible Rush they are using speakers rated at 6 watts power handling each and with a frequency response of 155 Hz to 20 KHz. Basically similar specifications to a lot of boom boxes it seems.
They are a relatively new start-up that started shipping sometime in the second half of last year. Started by cycling enthusiasts who wanted decent music quality while riding.
--- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com, "Rich W" <astronut1001@...> wrote:
> Thanks for the input. I note there are several colors/versions available on Amazon at slightly different prices.
> Reading the reviews and such it appears that a relatively new powered speaker system, the "Audible Rush Jam-Pac Premium" has the best sound quality and most volume of currently available bike speaker systems. It uses a 12V 3200 mAh rechargeable battery pack and dual speakers mounted in a handlebar bag. This is very high power compared to the AA or AAA battery powered speakers. Also by far the most expensive at about $160 + shipping.
> I am not sure if there is any real advantage to any speaker system over the non-ear-blocking headphones I mentioned earlier other than presumably meeting the law in areas such as Florida where earphones of any sort are apparently illegal for cyclists. I doubt that any small speaker system can provide the bass that headphones can.
> One disadvantage I note for the speaker systems with a device holding pouch is that none seem to be sized large enough to hold portable CD players. All are designed to hold Ipods and modern compact smart phones.
> Rich Wood
> --- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com, Mark Stonich <mark@> wrote:
> > On 5/9/2012 1:59 AM, Rich W wrote:
> > > IMO almost any speaker arrangement is likely to be drowned out on a
> > > bicycle as low power speakers are not that effective in a open air
> > > situation.
> > **I have no trouble hearing an earlier version of the $10 Homedics
> > HX-GO3BK HMDX Go Portable
> > Audio<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0052D3746/ref=asc_df_B0052D37462013595?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B0052D3746&hvpos=1o1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4800298131882255110&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=>,
> > which I carry in the top pocket of my handlebar bag. Even in winter,
> > wearing an insulated Balaclava, under a snowboarding helmet which covers
> > my ears. It could be my 4th gen. iPod Touch puts out a strong signal.
> > Sound quality and battery life (7-9 hours at full volume on 2
> > rechargable AAs) are quite acceptable to this non-audiophile. My old
> > car's stereo doesn't have aux input so I use the HDMX in the car.
> > --
> > Mark Stonich
> > Bikesmith Design
> > 5349 Elliot Ave S
> > Minneapolis MN 55417
> > Ph. 612-824-2372
> > http//:bikesmithdesign.com