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Re: 2010 Cannondale 3-speed

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  • prester_john_in_cathay
    ... I d be inclided to agree - that is, if I d never seen that $1475 Civia Hyland with the same hub! :) PJ
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 4, 2009
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      Rich wrote in part:
      > Interesting bike but IMO they have overpriced it.

      I'd be inclided to agree - that is, if I'd never seen that $1475 Civia Hyland with the same hub! :)

      PJ
    • irn_bru_ce
      i have had the euro hooligan 1 for over a year now , very fast machine for tight urban riding, bit twitchy for longer rides , and not as light as you might
      Message 2 of 9 , Nov 2, 2009
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        i have had the euro hooligan 1 for over a year now , very fast machine for tight urban riding, bit twitchy for longer rides , and not as light as you might expect

        but the 20" wheels mean that the bottom 3 gears are useless , i have just bought a set of 144bcd cranks and a 55t chainring to help me use more of the alfine range

        i am also in the process of trying to modify an old deore shifter becasue i find the lack of multiple upshifts annoying , the hooligan prefers you to stand up and wrestle the bike away from standing starts , the mass is so centralised and cranks so low you can throw it about about very easily , i just dont like the long pause between spinning out of 3rd or 4th gear , and grabbing 3 shifts and doing the same again

        http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=47700/highlight=hooligan.html
      • Rich
        To me the inability to do multiple shifts with one lever operation is the biggest disadvantage of the Shimano IGH Rapidfire shifters. Alternatives are the
        Message 3 of 9 , Nov 2, 2009
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          To me the inability to do multiple shifts with one lever operation is the biggest disadvantage of the Shimano IGH Rapidfire shifters. Alternatives are the Shimano twist shifter or the Jtek bar end shifter. Both allow multiple shifts with one continuous movement.

          Good luck with the attempted conversion. If you check the Files area there is an article with information on cable pulls for some IGH units along with cable pull information for derailleur indexed shifters. The non linearity of the derailleur shifters appears to be the biggest problem with trying to make them work with an IGH satisfactorily even with the use of a cable pull changer such as a Jtek Shiftmate.

          Rich Wood

          --- In Geared_hub_bikes@yahoogroups.com, "irn_bru_ce" <irn_bru_ce@...> wrote:
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          > i have had the euro hooligan 1 for over a year now , very fast machine for tight urban riding, bit twitchy for longer rides , and not as light as you might expect
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          > but the 20" wheels mean that the bottom 3 gears are useless , i have just bought a set of 144bcd cranks and a 55t chainring to help me use more of the alfine range
          >
          > i am also in the process of trying to modify an old deore shifter becasue i find the lack of multiple upshifts annoying , the hooligan prefers you to stand up and wrestle the bike away from standing starts , the mass is so centralised and cranks so low you can throw it about about very easily , i just dont like the long pause between spinning out of 3rd or 4th gear , and grabbing 3 shifts and doing the same again
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          > http://www.saxosportsclub.com/ForumsPro/viewtopic/t=47700/highlight=hooligan.html
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        • prester_john_in_cathay
          ... The Nexus/Alfine 8-speed is problematic to use with small wheel bikes because 5th is 1:1 and the hubs will accept cogs no smaller than 16T. I ve read a
          Message 4 of 9 , Nov 3, 2009
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            > but the 20" wheels mean that the
            > bottom 3 gears are useless

            The Nexus/Alfine 8-speed is problematic to use with small wheel bikes because 5th is 1:1 and the hubs will accept cogs no smaller than 16T. I've read a number of posts around the 'net of riders buying new cranks and relatively expensive large tooth count chainwheels to correct the too-low factory gear range, just as you are doing.

            I'd love to chat with the product planners and ask why they're spec'ing the Shimano 8 for small wheel models instead of, oh, say, the SRAM S7.

            PJ
          • wahooncx
            ~snip~ ... I can think of several reasons; Cost, serviceability, availability and in Sturmey Archer s case reliability and availability. It takes a year plus
            Message 5 of 9 , Nov 3, 2009
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              ~snip~
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              > I'd love to chat with the product planners and ask why they're spec'ing the Shimano 8 for small wheel models instead of, oh, say, the SRAM S7.
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              > PJ
              >

              I can think of several reasons; Cost, serviceability, availability and in Sturmey Archer's case reliability and availability.

              It takes a year plus from the end of design stage to retail market. Shimano is the 900# gorilla in the current IGH market. In the EU and Asian markets they have an amazing amount of hubs available, not much is making it to the US market, unfortunately.

              I also suspect that in many cases the bean counters may be choosing the hubs rather than the engineers, trying to reach a certain price point.

              Aaron
            • prester_john_in_cathay
              ... Yes, well, of course, a Spectra 7 is less expensive and easier to service than a Nexus 8. ... I m not in the industry, but I ve read that actually SRAM
              Message 6 of 9 , Nov 3, 2009
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                >> I'd love to chat with the product
                >> planners and ask why they're spec'ing
                >> the Shimano 8 for small wheel models
                >> instead of, oh, say, the SRAM S7.

                > I can think of several reasons; Cost,
                > serviceability, availability...

                Yes, well, of course, a Spectra 7 is less expensive and easier to service than a Nexus 8.

                > Shimano is the 900# gorilla in the current IGH market.

                I'm not in the industry, but I've read that actually SRAM (nee Sachs)controls the majority of the world IGH market.

                My theory is Shimano N.A. is just out hussling SRAM and Sturmey (well, that wouldn't be hard!) for the OEM IGH market in America. The result is bikes like the BikeFriday Season Tikit with its 76" top gear.

                PJ
              • irn_bru_ce
                dismantled the old 9 speed deore mtb shifter and glued a strip of plastic over the cable guide to increase the diameter , i measured the cable pull as standard
                Message 7 of 9 , Nov 4, 2009
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                  dismantled the old 9 speed deore mtb shifter and glued a strip of plastic over the cable guide to increase the diameter , i measured the cable pull as standard , then scaled it up to get 38mm cable pull as needed for the alfine , but once i had it back together and tested it turned out to be 34mm pull , i think i would also be better to start with an 8 speed shifter , but it was a good practice as those shifters are very fiddly , especially if you dismantle it in a hurry then try and put it back together 3 days later
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