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LDS Ultimatum on Gay Scouts?

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  • tcjackson
    SALT LAKE TRIBUNE, Apriil 26, 2000 P. O. Box 867, Salt Lake City, UT, 84110 (Fax 801-257-8950) (E-MAIL: letters@sltrib.com ) ( http://www.sltrib.com ) LDS
    Message 1 of 1 , Apr 26, 2000
      SALT LAKE TRIBUNE, Apriil 26, 2000
      P. O. Box 867, Salt Lake City, UT, 84110
      (Fax 801-257-8950) (E-MAIL: letters@... )
      ( http://www.sltrib.com )
      LDS Ultimatum on Gay Scouts?
      If the Boy Scouts of America is forced to accept gays as scoutmasters,
      the LDS Church will withdraw from the organization and take more than
      Scouts with it.
      That's the contention of Salt Lake City attorney Von G. Keetch, who has
      filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting the Boy Scouts' ban on
      homosexuals on behalf of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and
      four other religious organizations.
      The U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments today on a controversial 1999
      New Jersey high court ruling that stated the Boy Scouts could not exclude
      gays. The nation's justices are expected to rule on the matter in June.
      Keetch, with the Salt Lake City firm of Kirton & McConkie, predicts dire
      consequences if the Scouts lose the case.
      "The Scouting movement as now constituted will cease to exist. . . . The
      Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints . . . would withdraw from
      Scouting if it were compelled to accept openly homosexual Scout leaders,"
      Keetch said in the Feb. 28 brief filed on behalf of the LDS Church, the
      National Catholic Committee on Scouting, the General Commission on United
      Methodist Men of the United Methodist Church, the Lutheran Church-Missouri
      Synod and the National Council of Young Israel.
      The LDS Church is the single largest sponsor of Scouting units -- more
      than 30,000 -- in the nation. That amounts to 400,000-plus Scouts. The
      Methodist Church, with more than 424,000 Scouts, has the most youths
      involved. The Catholic Church sponsors 355,000 Scouts.
      In the brief, Keetch said no final decisions have been made, but all the
      religious organizations could follow the Mormons' lead and bolt from
      if the ban on gays is struck down.
      LDS leaders would not comment Tuesday about the church's possible exodus
      from Scouting. Boy Scouts of America national spokesman Greg Shields did not
      want to speculate on the impact such a pullout would have on the movement,
      which involves roughly 6.2 million youths and adults across the nation.
      "We value the [Mormon] church and its contribution to Scouting and the
      young people who participate in Scouting." he said. "The only thing I can
      is that we will abide by the law."
      A Utah Scout leader, however, did not hesitate to say what effect an LDS
      exit would have on Scouting.
      "The impact would be dramatic," said Ron Nyman, spokesman for the Utah
      National Parks Council of the Boy Scouts that oversees 58,000 Scouts from
      Utah County to the Arizona border. He said 98 percent of his council's
      are LDS-sponsored.
      The LDS Church is closely connected to Scouting throughout Utah. The
      church uses the program to help instill fundamental values in its male
      members, ages 12 through 18. Scout leaders in Mormon congregations are
      appointed by their bishops.
      "The ramifications of losing this case should be the scariest thing that
      could ever happen to private society," Nyman warned. "If they can do this to
      Scouting, they can do it to churches and everything else."
      The New Jersey ruling last August stemmed from a 1992 lawsuit filed
      against the Boy Scouts by James Dale, who was expelled as the assistant
      scoutmaster of a Middleton, N.J., troop in 1990 after it was learned that he
      was involved in a gay student group at Rutgers University.
      Boy Scouts exclude homosexuals from participation. Scout leaders
      homosexuality is immoral and out of harmony with the group's values. They
      further argue that they have a First Amendment right as a private
      organization to choose their own leaders and who they will allow to
      In siding with Dale, New Jersey's Supreme Court ruled the Boy Scouts are
      a "place of public accommodation" and therefore are subject to that state's
      laws barring discrimination against gays.
      Evan Wolfson, Dale's attorney, said the U.S. Supreme Court has
      consistently rejected the notion that the First Amendment gives groups the
      right to discriminate.
      "Boy Scouts do not come together to promote an anti-gay or
      message," said Wolfson in a statement. "Scouts come together around the
      traditions and values of Scouting, things James Dale always did and still
      desires to uphold."
      Michael McConnell, a University of Utah law professor who is helping New
      York City attorney George Davidson argue the case for the Boy Scouts, said
      the New Jersey ruling is ludicrous.
      "The underlying question is if one group can have a message and serve a
      subsection of the population without the government getting involved and
      telling it how diverse it needs to be," McConnell said. "This is really
      the survival of private groups as elements of society."
      Kay Godfrey -- information officer with the Great Salt Lake Council,
      which boasts 75,000 Scouts from Kaysville to Draper -- is confident the
      Scouts will prevail.
      He said homosexuality has not been much of an issue in Utah. He noted,
      though, that there have been a few gay Scouts and Scout leaders booted from
      the organization during his 10 years with the Great Salt Lake Council.
      "We do not feel homosexuals are the kind of role models we want for our
      youth," said Godfrey, who added that prospective leaders are usually not
      asked about their sexual orientation.
      For Andy Baggs -- a psychologist with the Nebo School District and
      scoutmaster of Provo's Troop 999, which is not affiliated with the LDS
      -- the issue is straightforward: Scouts pledge to be "morally straight" when
      they raise their right arm to recite the Scout Oath.
      "I don't see how one can define homosexuality as being morally
      he said. "If you don't want to adhere to Scout standards, you shouldn't join
      the club. You don't join the club and then try to change the standards."
      But former Scout leader Wes Davey of Springville sees it another way.
      "For us who are LDS, we've been taught to love the sinner but hate the
      sin. If this teaching is true, then the LDS Church has a moral obligation to
      accept celibate gay youth into its Scouting programs and a moral obligation
      to petition the Boy Scouts to change its policy," he said. "Right now, the
      church won't even let celibate gay youth participate. It shouldn't matter if
      a youth is homosexual or heterosexual, as long as they are not engaging in
      immoral behavior by having sex."
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