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  • Sandy Harper
    Just in case anyone has spent the last six months on a deserted island, here is a quick reminder. The show guide is now available on the Guild website and a
    Message 1 of 24 , Aug 2 4:11 AM
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      Just in case anyone has spent the last six months on a deserted
      island, here is a quick reminder. The show guide is now available on
      the Guild website and a copy will also be included with your Gazette
      which will be dropping on your door mat in the next few days.

      Look forward to seeing you at the show.

      Kind regards
      Sandy
      Chairman GOG

      Guildex Exhibition - Telford
      Date: Saturday 6th September 10.00am to 5.00pm and Sunday September
      7th 10.00am to 4.00pm
      Location: International Centre, St. Quentin Gate,Telford, Shropshire,
      TF3 4JH.
      Admission prices: £5 for members and £12 for non members
      Information: Trade Show and Guild AGM (on Sunday afternoon).

      Two days of specialist Trade sales, Demonstrations, Models,
      All of the Guild Services (and for those who wish to attend,The Guild
      AGM on Sunday 7th for part of the afternoon).
      An Event not to be missed to see the best in 7mm modelling.
    • Richard Cleaver
      Sandy, Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a plan showing where they can found at the show? Regards Richard Cleaver ... on ...
      Message 2 of 24 , Aug 5 6:37 AM
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        Sandy,

        Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
        plan showing where they can found at the show?

        Regards

        Richard Cleaver


        --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Just in case anyone has spent the last six months on a deserted
        > island, here is a quick reminder. The show guide is now available
        on
        > the Guild website and a copy will also be included with your
        Gazette
        > which will be dropping on your door mat in the next few days.
        >
        > Look forward to seeing you at the show.
        >
        > Kind regards
        > Sandy
        > Chairman GOG
        >
        > Guildex Exhibition - Telford
        > Date: Saturday 6th September 10.00am to 5.00pm and Sunday September
        > 7th 10.00am to 4.00pm
        > Location: International Centre, St. Quentin Gate,Telford,
        Shropshire,
        > TF3 4JH.
        > Admission prices: £5 for members and £12 for non members
        > Information: Trade Show and Guild AGM (on Sunday afternoon).
        >
        > Two days of specialist Trade sales, Demonstrations, Models,
        > All of the Guild Services (and for those who wish to attend,The
        Guild
        > AGM on Sunday 7th for part of the afternoon).
        > An Event not to be missed to see the best in 7mm modelling.
        >
      • Peter Dobson
        The show guide is a wonderful glossy publication with lots of info about the layouts but is totally useless without a list of trade stands. Is this another
        Message 3 of 24 , Aug 5 6:42 AM
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          The show guide is a wonderful glossy publication with lots of info about the
          layouts but is totally useless without a list of trade stands.

          Is this another cock-up or just a mistake!!?

          regards

          Peter Dobson

          Richard Cleaver wrote:
          > Sandy,
          >
          > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
          > plan showing where they can found at the show?
          >
          > Regards
          >
          > Richard Cleaver
          >
          >
          > --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
          > wrote:
          >> Just in case anyone has spent the last six months on a deserted
          >> island, here is a quick reminder. The show guide is now available
          > on
          >> the Guild website and a copy will also be included with your
          > Gazette
          >> which will be dropping on your door mat in the next few days.
          >>
          >> Look forward to seeing you at the show.
          >>
          >> Kind regards
          >> Sandy
          >> Chairman GOG
          >>
          >> Guildex Exhibition - Telford
          >> Date: Saturday 6th September 10.00am to 5.00pm and Sunday September
          >> 7th 10.00am to 4.00pm
          >> Location: International Centre, St. Quentin Gate,Telford,
          > Shropshire,
          >> TF3 4JH.
          >> Admission prices: £5 for members and £12 for non members
          >> Information: Trade Show and Guild AGM (on Sunday afternoon).
          >>
          >> Two days of specialist Trade sales, Demonstrations, Models,
          >> All of the Guild Services (and for those who wish to attend,The
          > Guild
          >> AGM on Sunday 7th for part of the afternoon).
          >> An Event not to be missed to see the best in 7mm modelling.
          >>
          >
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        • Martin Wynne
          Hi Richard, Peter, ... I m not a member, but I managed to go to http://gauge0guild.com/Guildex_Guide_2008.pdf and read on page 3: Please note show layout plan
          Message 4 of 24 , Aug 5 6:48 AM
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            Hi Richard, Peter,

            > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
            > plan showing where they can found at the show?

            I'm not a member, but I managed to go to

            http://gauge0guild.com/Guildex_Guide_2008.pdf

            and read on page 3:

            "Please note show layout plan and list of attending traders will
            appear on the Guild web site as soon as it is finalised and be
            available on entry to the show."

            regards,

            Martin.
          • Mike Bootman
            Peter, Richard, All There is a thread on the Guild Matters part of the Forum which throws some light on the subject:
            Message 5 of 24 , Aug 5 7:45 AM
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              Peter, Richard, All

              There is a thread on the Guild Matters part of the Forum which throws
              some light on the subject:

              http://www.gauge0guild.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=674

              I'm reliably informed that a list should be available by 17th August
              and will be posted on the Guild website, with copies available on the
              door at Guildex.

              At least this year everyone gets a copy of the Guide with the
              Gazette, maybe next year we'll get the list of Traders too;-)

              Mike Bootman

              --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, Peter Dobson <peterd@...> wrote:
              >
              > The show guide is a wonderful glossy publication with lots of info
              about the
              > layouts but is totally useless without a list of trade stands.
              >
              > Is this another cock-up or just a mistake!!?
              >
              > regards
              >
              > Peter Dobson
              >
              > Richard Cleaver wrote:
              > > Sandy,
              > >
              > > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
              > > plan showing where they can found at the show?
              > >
              > > Regards
              > >
              > > Richard Cleaver
            • bill barnes
              Mike Not if you want an accurate list of traders you won t - the publishing deadline date must be around the middle of July! Bill ... From:
              Message 6 of 24 , Aug 5 8:05 AM
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                Mike
                Not if you want an accurate list of traders you won't - the publishing
                deadline date must be around the middle of July!
                Bill

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                Mike Bootman

                At least this year everyone gets a copy of the Guide with the
                Gazette, maybe next year we'll get the list of Traders too;-)
              • Mike Bootman
                Bill, Pragmatically, it s better than no list at all but not nearly as useful as an earlier one, albeit subject to change. Even the one available on the day
                Message 7 of 24 , Aug 5 12:39 PM
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                  Bill,

                  Pragmatically, it's better than no list at all but not nearly as useful
                  as an earlier one, albeit subject to change. Even the one available on
                  the day will not include any last minute changes/cancellations.

                  It's quite clear from my dealings with certain Traders that notice of
                  at least a month and ideally more is necessary to ensure that specific
                  etches and castings are produced in time. I've spent 2 weeks trying to
                  contact one particular Trader, who doesn't have e-mail, and even his
                  distributor is not certain if he's attending. I've written to him
                  (including an SAE) and am hopeful of a reply before Guildex. I plan to
                  spend over £250 with him on 3 carriage kits.

                  There has to be a better way of ensuring supply matches specific demand
                  at what is promoted as The O Gauge Show. The current way is not good
                  enough and there is certainly room for improvement - perhaps we can
                  then get away from the Saturday morning crush and complaints of "by the
                  time I got there (Saturday lunctime) X had sold out of the widgets!".

                  Mike Bootman

                  --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "bill barnes" <bill@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Mike
                  > Not if you want an accurate list of traders you won't - the publishing
                  > deadline date must be around the middle of July!
                  > Bill
                • john.hobdentsn2000@tesco.net
                  by the time I got there (Saturday lunctime) X had sold out of the widgets! . I know it s good to walk round with carrier bags full of widgets so you can have
                  Message 8 of 24 , Aug 5 12:55 PM
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                    "by the
                    time I got there (Saturday lunctime) X had sold out of the widgets!".



                    I know it's good to walk round with carrier bags full of widgets so you can
                    have a good gloat when you get home and realistically, a firm order made say
                    a month in advance should be deliverable so a provisional list of traders
                    would help there. I like to see what the widgets look like and am happy to
                    wait till afterwards for them to be posted. What is needed however is, as
                    the better traders do, a good idea of when things will be ready or posted
                    out (subject to the usual problems of materials not arriving from the
                    traders' suppliers). What we don't need is traders who work near to a post
                    office that consistently delays the orders (thinking of one P.O. that
                    probably didn't know all its packages took so long to arrive, or were they
                    ever posted?)



                    John Hobden








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                  • chrisbasten@fsmail.net
                    Hi all, As Dragon Models, I have already had two phone calls from customers asking where my stand will be at Telford. And I haven t a clue!!!!! So when I turn
                    Message 9 of 24 , Aug 5 2:50 PM
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                      Hi all,
                      As Dragon Models, I have already had two phone calls from customers asking where my stand will be at Telford. And I haven't a clue!!!!! So when I turn up at Telford, I will probably be as much in the dark as everyone else.....perhaps it is first come, best place this year :-)
                      And I am a little baffled as to why the trade information is not available, as the soon to be sadly missed Geoff Howe closed trade bookings many months ago.
                      On another point, may I compliment the Treasurer for an excellent presentation of the accounts. Very informative, and a clear indication that the Guild has made significant progress in the last year or so.
                      The publication of Director's expenses is also very interesting and imho, shows that there was absolutely no reason to worry about unwarranted criticism. I feel that all have been careful with our money and are to be congratulated.
                      One point though, as the accounts run from March 2007 to February this year, during which period, some directors stood down, I wonder why their expenses have not been included in the list. Mike Williams (as Chairman of Events) comes to mind, but there may be others that I have forgotten. Is there a reason why these good folk's expenses have not been included?
                      Cheers
                      Chris





                      Message Received: Aug 05 2008, 04:06 PM
                      From: "bill barnes"
                      To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                      Cc:
                      Subject: RE: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008

                      Mike
                      Not if you want an accurate list of traders you won't - the publishing
                      deadline date must be around the middle of July!
                      Bill

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                      Mike Bootman

                      At least this year everyone gets a copy of the Guide with the
                      Gazette, maybe next year we'll get the list of Traders too;-)




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                    • Sandy Harper
                      ... Dear Richard, In the past we have received a great deal of comment from members that they were unable to make use of the show guide until they arrived at
                      Message 10 of 24 , Aug 6 5:03 AM
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                        --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Cleaver" <rcleaver@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Sandy,
                        >
                        > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
                        > plan showing where they can found at the show?
                        >
                        > Regards
                        >
                        > Richard Cleaver

                        Dear Richard,

                        In the past we have received a great deal of comment from members
                        that they were unable to make use of the show guide until they
                        arrived at the show leaving no opportunity to 'plan' their visit.

                        In response to this we agreed to revert to including the show guide
                        in the Gazette posting preceding a show. In the case of Guildex the
                        Gazette is published at the beginning of August. To include the Show
                        Guide,the directors report, the Guild News and the Gazette in time
                        for the information to be with the publisher by the end of June is a
                        tall order.

                        Geoff Howe will tell you that as of today, he is still attempting to
                        get the final bits of information from traders and exhibitors to
                        complete the floor plan and traders list. It is planned that this
                        will be complete and with the publisher on the 9th. As soon as
                        practical after that date the floor plan and the full list of
                        traders, with their location within the halls, will be available on
                        the website.

                        An annex to the show guide containing the floor plan and list will
                        also be available on the door at the show.

                        Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                        guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has to
                        give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                        constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication and
                        posting dates.

                        I trust that the above answers some of your questions and explains
                        the delicate balancing act involved by quite a large number of
                        volunteers spread all over the country in supplying the present
                        service to members.

                        Regards
                        Sandy
                        GOG Chairman
                        >
                        >
                      • Mike Bootman
                        Sandy, Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking individual understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the process.
                        Message 11 of 24 , Aug 6 12:43 PM
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                          Sandy,

                          Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking individual
                          understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the
                          process.

                          However, it appears that it is not yet having the desired result,
                          possibly due to wanting to deliver more than is required and
                          consequently only achieving it at a late stage.

                          What most potential visitors want to know first is 'Who is going to
                          be there?'. So a simple list of Traders suffices for this - from such
                          a list it will be possible to determine (1) Is it worth me going?;
                          (2) What arrangements should I make to ensure my requirements will be
                          available if I do?

                          Only later, and much nearer the time, will the (as-near-as-dammit)
                          layout of stands etc. become important when planning the actual visit.

                          Perhaps we can aim for the substantially complete list of Traders to
                          be incorporated into the Show Guide with the preceding Gazette, and
                          the final list on the web (as a download) as soon as it is available?

                          The 'just in time' approach will not require any more effort, but
                          will bring beneficial results.

                          Mike Bootman

                          --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
                          wrote:
                          SNIPPED
                          > Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                          > guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                          > to give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                          > constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication and
                          > posting dates.
                          SNIPPED
                          > Regards
                          > Sandy
                          > GOG Chairman
                        • bill barnes
                          Hi Mike I ve got a different take on this. I think publishing an incomplete list, quite possibly including some traders who subsequently withdraw, is likely to
                          Message 12 of 24 , Aug 6 1:13 PM
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                            Hi Mike
                            I've got a different take on this. I think publishing an incomplete list,
                            quite possibly including some traders who subsequently withdraw, is likely
                            to cause far more irritation than waiting for an accurate one to be
                            available on the website 3 weeks before the Show.
                            Bill

                            -----Original Message-----
                            From: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                            Mike Bootman
                            Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 08:44
                            To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008

                            Sandy,

                            Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking individual
                            understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the
                            process.

                            However, it appears that it is not yet having the desired result,
                            possibly due to wanting to deliver more than is required and
                            consequently only achieving it at a late stage.

                            What most potential visitors want to know first is 'Who is going to
                            be there?'. So a simple list of Traders suffices for this - from such
                            a list it will be possible to determine (1) Is it worth me going?;
                            (2) What arrangements should I make to ensure my requirements will be
                            available if I do?

                            Only later, and much nearer the time, will the (as-near-as-dammit)
                            layout of stands etc. become important when planning the actual visit.

                            Perhaps we can aim for the substantially complete list of Traders to
                            be incorporated into the Show Guide with the preceding Gazette, and
                            the final list on the web (as a download) as soon as it is available?

                            The 'just in time' approach will not require any more effort, but
                            will bring beneficial results.

                            Mike Bootman

                            --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
                            wrote:
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                            > Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                            > guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                            > to give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                            > constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication and
                            > posting dates.
                            SNIPPED
                            > Regards
                            > Sandy
                            > GOG Chairman


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                          • Mike Bootman
                            In which case we ll beg to differ, as will several others who ask for attendance lists a month or more in advance of any of the trade shows. ... list, ...
                            Message 13 of 24 , Aug 6 2:00 PM
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                              In which case we'll beg to differ, as will several others who ask for
                              attendance lists a month or more in advance of any of the trade shows.

                              --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "bill barnes" <bill@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Hi Mike
                              > I've got a different take on this. I think publishing an incomplete
                              list,
                              > quite possibly including some traders who subsequently withdraw, is
                              likely
                              > to cause far more irritation than waiting for an accurate one to be
                              > available on the website 3 weeks before the Show.
                              > Bill
                              >
                              > -----Original Message-----
                              > From: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups.com] On
                              Behalf Of
                              > Mike Bootman
                              > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 08:44
                              > To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                              > Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008
                              >
                              > Sandy,
                              >
                              > Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking
                              individual
                              > understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the
                              > process.
                              >
                              > However, it appears that it is not yet having the desired result,
                              > possibly due to wanting to deliver more than is required and
                              > consequently only achieving it at a late stage.
                              >
                              > What most potential visitors want to know first is 'Who is going to
                              > be there?'. So a simple list of Traders suffices for this - from
                              such
                              > a list it will be possible to determine (1) Is it worth me going?;
                              > (2) What arrangements should I make to ensure my requirements will
                              be
                              > available if I do?
                              >
                              > Only later, and much nearer the time, will the (as-near-as-dammit)
                              > layout of stands etc. become important when planning the actual
                              visit.
                              >
                              > Perhaps we can aim for the substantially complete list of Traders
                              to
                              > be incorporated into the Show Guide with the preceding Gazette, and
                              > the final list on the web (as a download) as soon as it is
                              available?
                              >
                              > The 'just in time' approach will not require any more effort, but
                              > will bring beneficial results.
                              >
                              > Mike Bootman
                              >
                              > --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@>
                              > wrote:
                              > SNIPPED
                              > > Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                              > > guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                              > > to give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                              > > constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication
                              and
                              > > posting dates.
                              > SNIPPED
                              > > Regards
                              > > Sandy
                              > > GOG Chairman
                              >
                              >
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                            • MICHAEL COLE
                              Hi Mike surely if somebody wants to know if a particular trader is or is not attanding any show, all they need to do is contact them beforehand. As for knowing
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                                Hi Mike
                                surely if somebody wants to know if a particular trader is or is not attanding any show, all they need to do is contact them beforehand. As for knowing exactly where a trader is, more than half of the enjoyment of attanding a show is looking around at all of the traders/layouts/demonstrations to see what is there.
                                regards
                                Mike



                                ----- Original Message ----
                                From: Mike Bootman <mike@...>
                                To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, 6 August, 2008 10:00:59 PM
                                Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008


                                In which case we'll beg to differ, as will several others who ask for
                                attendance lists a month or more in advance of any of the trade shows.

                                --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups. com, "bill barnes" <bill@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Mike
                                > I've got a different take on this. I think publishing an incomplete
                                list,
                                > quite possibly including some traders who subsequently withdraw, is
                                likely
                                > to cause far more irritation than waiting for an accurate one to be
                                > available on the website 3 weeks before the Show.
                                > Bill
                                >
                                > -----Original Message-----
                                > From: Gauge0@yahoogroups. com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups. com] On
                                Behalf Of
                                > Mike Bootman
                                > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 08:44
                                > To: Gauge0@yahoogroups. com
                                > Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008
                                >
                                > Sandy,
                                >
                                > Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking
                                individual
                                > understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the
                                > process.
                                >
                                > However, it appears that it is not yet having the desired result,
                                > possibly due to wanting to deliver more than is required and
                                > consequently only achieving it at a late stage.
                                >
                                > What most potential visitors want to know first is 'Who is going to
                                > be there?'. So a simple list of Traders suffices for this - from
                                such
                                > a list it will be possible to determine (1) Is it worth me going?;
                                > (2) What arrangements should I make to ensure my requirements will
                                be
                                > available if I do?
                                >
                                > Only later, and much nearer the time, will the (as-near-as- dammit)
                                > layout of stands etc. become important when planning the actual
                                visit.
                                >
                                > Perhaps we can aim for the substantially complete list of Traders
                                to
                                > be incorporated into the Show Guide with the preceding Gazette, and
                                > the final list on the web (as a download) as soon as it is
                                available?
                                >
                                > The 'just in time' approach will not require any more effort, but
                                > will bring beneficial results.
                                >
                                > Mike Bootman
                                >
                                > --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups. com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@ >
                                > wrote:
                                > SNIPPED
                                > > Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                                > > guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                                > > to give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                                > > constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication
                                and
                                > > posting dates.
                                > SNIPPED
                                > > Regards
                                > > Sandy
                                > > GOG Chairman
                                >
                                >
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                              • John Berry
                                Hi, With an organisation that asks the trade to pay upfront for all exhibitions many many months in advance, and an exhibition where stand space is fully taken
                                Message 15 of 24 , Aug 6 3:09 PM
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                                  Hi,

                                  With an organisation that asks the trade to pay upfront for all
                                  exhibitions many many months in advance, and an exhibition where stand
                                  space is fully taken many months in advance I just don't see the
                                  problem. It is only the last couple of years that it seems to have been
                                  one. The number of stands cancelled or altered in the last three months
                                  is negligible. It is better to have stands with the guide and subject to
                                  one or two changes than not knowing attending traders until a couple of
                                  weeks before the show - well that's my view anyway.

                                  But as one of the Guilds harshest critics in the past I would just like
                                  to say I personally am cautiously very pleased and encouraged with the
                                  Guilds direction over the last year under the current stewardship - well
                                  done lads keep it up, you are heading in the right direction and so I
                                  give credit where it is due.

                                  Regards,
                                  John Berry

                                  Mike Bootman wrote:

                                  > In which case we'll beg to differ, as will several others who ask for
                                  > attendance lists a month or more in advance of any of the trade shows.
                                  >
                                  > --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "bill barnes" <bill@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >>Hi Mike
                                  >>I've got a different take on this. I think publishing an incomplete
                                  >
                                  > list,
                                  >
                                  >>quite possibly including some traders who subsequently withdraw, is
                                  >
                                  > likely
                                  >
                                  >>to cause far more irritation than waiting for an accurate one to be
                                  >>available on the website 3 weeks before the Show.
                                  >>Bill
                                  >>
                                  >>-----Original Message-----
                                  >>From: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Gauge0@yahoogroups.com] On
                                  >
                                  > Behalf Of
                                  >
                                  >>Mike Bootman
                                  >>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 08:44
                                  >>To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008
                                  >>
                                  >>Sandy,
                                  >>
                                  >>Thanks for you comprehensive reply. Of course any thinking
                                  >
                                  > individual
                                  >
                                  >>understands the effort, complexity and input of volunteers into the
                                  >>process.
                                  >>
                                  >>However, it appears that it is not yet having the desired result,
                                  >>possibly due to wanting to deliver more than is required and
                                  >>consequently only achieving it at a late stage.
                                  >>
                                  >>What most potential visitors want to know first is 'Who is going to
                                  >>be there?'. So a simple list of Traders suffices for this - from
                                  >
                                  > such
                                  >
                                  >>a list it will be possible to determine (1) Is it worth me going?;
                                  >>(2) What arrangements should I make to ensure my requirements will
                                  >
                                  > be
                                  >
                                  >>available if I do?
                                  >>
                                  >>Only later, and much nearer the time, will the (as-near-as-dammit)
                                  >>layout of stands etc. become important when planning the actual
                                  >
                                  > visit.
                                  >
                                  >>Perhaps we can aim for the substantially complete list of Traders
                                  >
                                  > to
                                  >
                                  >>be incorporated into the Show Guide with the preceding Gazette, and
                                  >>the final list on the web (as a download) as soon as it is
                                  >
                                  > available?
                                  >
                                  >>The 'just in time' approach will not require any more effort, but
                                  >>will bring beneficial results.
                                  >>
                                  >>Mike Bootman
                                  >>
                                  >>--- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@>
                                  >>wrote:
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                                  >>
                                  >>>Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                                  >>>guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                                  >>>to give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                                  >>>constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication
                                  >
                                  > and
                                  >
                                  >>>posting dates.
                                  >>
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                                  >>
                                  >>>Regards
                                  >>>Sandy
                                  >>>GOG Chairman
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                                • Ray Bounsall
                                  Hi Sandy, It would obviously be in retrospect, but the members that are overseas would I m sure like a copy of the show guide after the event. Few of us get
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Aug 6 3:41 PM
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                                    Hi Sandy,

                                    It would obviously be in retrospect, but the members that are overseas would I'm sure like a copy of the show guide after the event. Few of us get the chance to attend Guildex and as members miss out on some of the benefits of membership that our UK based counterparts gain. I had always in the past scrutinised the show guide even when I was not to be a visitor. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, as at least I have been to one show!

                                    Regards

                                    Ray Bounsall (Melbourne)

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Sandy Harper
                                    To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:03 PM
                                    Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008


                                    --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Cleaver" <rcleaver@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Sandy,
                                    >
                                    > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
                                    > plan showing where they can found at the show?
                                    >
                                    > Regards
                                    >
                                    > Richard Cleaver

                                    Dear Richard,

                                    In the past we have received a great deal of comment from members
                                    that they were unable to make use of the show guide until they
                                    arrived at the show leaving no opportunity to 'plan' their visit.

                                    In response to this we agreed to revert to including the show guide
                                    in the Gazette posting preceding a show. In the case of Guildex the
                                    Gazette is published at the beginning of August. To include the Show
                                    Guide,the directors report, the Guild News and the Gazette in time
                                    for the information to be with the publisher by the end of June is a
                                    tall order.

                                    Geoff Howe will tell you that as of today, he is still attempting to
                                    get the final bits of information from traders and exhibitors to
                                    complete the floor plan and traders list. It is planned that this
                                    will be complete and with the publisher on the 9th. As soon as
                                    practical after that date the floor plan and the full list of
                                    traders, with their location within the halls, will be available on
                                    the website.

                                    An annex to the show guide containing the floor plan and list will
                                    also be available on the door at the show.

                                    Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                                    guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has to
                                    give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                                    constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication and
                                    posting dates.

                                    I trust that the above answers some of your questions and explains
                                    the delicate balancing act involved by quite a large number of
                                    volunteers spread all over the country in supplying the present
                                    service to members.

                                    Regards
                                    Sandy
                                    GOG Chairman
                                    >
                                    >





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                                  • john.hobdentsn2000@tesco.net
                                    Bill and Mike may differ on the traders list, and there may be many other stances on it but this example is quite simple. Publish it for those who want an
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Aug 6 3:50 PM
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                                      Bill and Mike may differ on the traders list, and there may be many other
                                      stances on it but this example is quite simple.



                                      Publish it for those who want an inaccurate list, and those who don't need
                                      not look. Update it appropriately etc (sorry, another job for the
                                      webmaster, with whom I sympathise, having just spent several hours trying to
                                      get my society website to accept a simple meetings update!)



                                      The Guild is a members organisation, no longer secretive, let's see Geoff or
                                      his successor's plan, warts and all. Too much information, if published on
                                      the website in the members' area is better than none at all.



                                      I enjoyed having the show guide early to whet my appetite, and will I cry if
                                      one of the layouts cannot attend? Yes, but it will still have been
                                      interesting to see what I missed.

                                      John Hobden





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                                    • Mike Bootman
                                      Hi Mike, Extract from a previous post on this thread, only the day before your reply!: I ve spent 2 weeks trying to contact one particular Trader, who doesn t
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Aug 6 10:54 PM
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                                        Hi Mike,

                                        Extract from a previous post on this thread, only the day before your
                                        reply!:

                                        "I've spent 2 weeks trying to contact one particular Trader, who
                                        doesn't have e-mail, and even his distributor is not certain if he's
                                        attending. I've written to him (including an SAE) and am hopeful of a
                                        reply before Guildex. I plan to spend over £250 with him on 3
                                        carriage kits."

                                        QED

                                        Mike

                                        --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, MICHAEL COLE <m.cole456@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi Mike
                                        > surely if somebody wants to know if a particular trader is or is
                                        not attanding any show, all they need to do is contact them
                                        beforehand. As for knowing exactly where a trader is, more than half
                                        of the enjoyment of attanding a show is looking around at all of the
                                        traders/layouts/demonstrations to see what is there.
                                        > regards
                                        > Mike
                                      • MICHAEL COLE
                                        Hi Mike B   but the originator of that posting will no doubt still be attending the show and probably enjoy the experience as well. A large number of
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Aug 6 11:44 PM
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                                          Hi Mike B
                                           
                                          but the originator of that posting will no doubt still be attending the show and probably enjoy the experience as well. A large number of traders/suppliers are 'one man bands/cottage industries' and contacting them is not always easy and persistence is required. If it takes a number of phone calls before contact is made, you get on with it.
                                           
                                          My point is that the guide is a help, not an essential in your decision to attend the show. It is just that, a guide, not a Contract document.
                                          See you there.
                                           
                                          regards
                                           
                                          Mike 



                                          ----- Original Message ----
                                          From: Mike Bootman <mike@...>
                                          To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 6:54:23 AM
                                          Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008


                                          Hi Mike,

                                          Extract from a previous post on this thread, only the day before your
                                          reply!:

                                          "I've spent 2 weeks trying to contact one particular Trader, who
                                          doesn't have e-mail, and even his distributor is not certain if he's
                                          attending. I've written to him (including an SAE) and am hopeful of a
                                          reply before Guildex. I plan to spend over £250 with him on 3
                                          carriage kits."

                                          QED

                                          Mike

                                          --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups. com, MICHAEL COLE <m.cole456@. ..> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Hi Mike
                                          > surely if somebody wants to know if a particular trader is or is
                                          not attanding any show, all they need to do is contact them
                                          beforehand. As for knowing exactly where a trader is, more than half
                                          of the enjoyment of attanding a show is looking around at all of the
                                          traders/layouts/ demonstrations to see what is there.
                                          > regards
                                          > Mike



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                                        • john.hobdentsn2000@tesco.net
                                          ... and contacting them is not always easy and persistence is required. If it takes a number of phone calls before contact is made, you get on with it. This
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Aug 7 12:43 AM
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                                            Mike Cole wrote:

                                            > A large number of traders/suppliers are 'one man bands/cottage industries'
                                            and contacting them is not always easy and persistence is required. If it
                                            takes a number >of phone calls before contact is made, you get on with it.

                                            This excuse if often trotted out. I run a one man band business and anyone
                                            who leaves me a message on the answering machine or an e-mail usually gets a
                                            reply within 24 hours. It is good business practice and common sense. Many
                                            O Gauge traders operate a similar policy and it is a pleasure to do business
                                            with those who do.



                                            John Hobden







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                                          • Brian Lewis
                                            Yes, but large or small, they are in business to offer a service. This is not limited to supply of goods, but should include prompt communications with
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Aug 7 1:50 AM
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                                              Yes, but large or small, they are in business to offer a service.
                                              This is not limited to supply of goods, but should include prompt
                                              communications with suppliers and clients alike.

                                              The real problem is that too many of them are totally production
                                              orientated and simply do not understand that to survive in today's
                                              climate, they must face the marketplace.

                                              Anyone who has ordered from C+L knows that as soon as you place an
                                              order, you receive immediate confirmation. Later that day you
                                              receive an email advising despatch and by what method. If you order
                                              by telephone, that information is given to you verbally.

                                              100% availability - same day despatch.... with 1086 product lines.
                                              If we can do it, anyone can do it.

                                              Regards



                                              Brian Lewis

                                              Carrs – C+L Finescale.

                                              www.finescale.org.uk <http://www.finescale.org.uk/>

                                              Tel: +44 1 275 852 027

                                              Fax: +44 1 275 810 555

                                              Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/finescale
                                              Group email address: finescale@yahoogroups.com
                                              <mailto:finescale@yahoogroups.com>





                                              MICHAEL COLE wrote:
                                              A large number of traders/suppliers are 'one man bands/cottage
                                              industries' and contacting them is not always easy and persistence
                                              is required.
                                            • Mike Bootman
                                              Hi Mike, But it s the only show I will attend this year, on the basis that there are a number of purchases that I wish to ensure that I make and to collect an
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Aug 7 4:35 AM
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                                                Hi Mike,

                                                But it's the only show I will attend this year, on the basis that
                                                there are a number of purchases that I wish to ensure that I make and
                                                to collect an RSU. In addition, I also want to cast my eye over and
                                                discuss other specific items with the people directly involved. The
                                                7mm list contains too many examples of caveat emptors...

                                                Currently, Telford is an 800+ mile round trip - 8 hours each way -
                                                whilst Halifax is over 600 miles and 7 hours each way. Don't even
                                                mention the more southerly events.

                                                It's also a 2 night stay in B&B, so my decision to attend any event
                                                is taken with due and full consideration to the costs and benefits.
                                                If I'm spending my pension on fuel and accommodation it won't be
                                                available for modelling.

                                                With regard to the individual Trader I mentioned, I have telephoned
                                                several times at different times of the day and days of the week - it
                                                would be marginally helpful if use was made of BT 1571 at least.

                                                So I have been getting on with it.

                                                In my situation, the non-attendance of certain Traders would ensure
                                                that I too did not attend that event.

                                                And who raised the subject of contracts??? If you read my posts
                                                carefully I consistently acknowledge that no list is perfect, just
                                                that it is better than none, so for me the guide/list is essential.

                                                Mike Bootman

                                                --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, MICHAEL COLE <m.cole456@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Hi Mike B
                                                >  
                                                > but the originator of that posting will no doubt still be attending
                                                the show and probably enjoy the experience as well. A large number of
                                                traders/suppliers are 'one man bands/cottage industries' and
                                                contacting them is not always easy and persistence is required. If
                                                it takes a number of phone calls before contact is made, you get on
                                                with it.
                                                >  
                                                > My point is that the guide is a help, not an essential in your
                                                decision to attend the show. It is just that, a guide, not a Contract
                                                document.
                                                > See you there.
                                                >  
                                                > regards
                                                >  
                                                > Mike 
                                              • MICHAEL COLE
                                                Hi Mike B, have a safe journey and enjoy the show. best wishes Mike C ... From: Mike Bootman To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com Sent:
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Aug 7 4:44 AM
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                                                  Hi Mike B,
                                                  have a safe journey and enjoy the show.
                                                  best wishes
                                                  Mike C



                                                  ----- Original Message ----
                                                  From: Mike Bootman <mike@...>
                                                  To: Gauge0@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Thursday, 7 August, 2008 12:35:53 PM
                                                  Subject: [Gauge0] Re: Guildex 2008


                                                  Hi Mike,

                                                  But it's the only show I will attend this year, on the basis that
                                                  there are a number of purchases that I wish to ensure that I make and
                                                  to collect an RSU. In addition, I also want to cast my eye over and
                                                  discuss other specific items with the people directly involved. The
                                                  7mm list contains too many examples of caveat emptors...

                                                  Currently, Telford is an 800+ mile round trip - 8 hours each way -
                                                  whilst Halifax is over 600 miles and 7 hours each way. Don't even
                                                  mention the more southerly events.

                                                  It's also a 2 night stay in B&B, so my decision to attend any event
                                                  is taken with due and full consideration to the costs and benefits.
                                                  If I'm spending my pension on fuel and accommodation it won't be
                                                  available for modelling.

                                                  With regard to the individual Trader I mentioned, I have telephoned
                                                  several times at different times of the day and days of the week - it
                                                  would be marginally helpful if use was made of BT 1571 at least.

                                                  So I have been getting on with it.

                                                  In my situation, the non-attendance of certain Traders would ensure
                                                  that I too did not attend that event.

                                                  And who raised the subject of contracts??? If you read my posts
                                                  carefully I consistently acknowledge that no list is perfect, just
                                                  that it is better than none, so for me the guide/list is essential.

                                                  Mike Bootman

                                                  --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups. com, MICHAEL COLE <m.cole456@. ..> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Hi Mike B
                                                  >  
                                                  > but the originator of that posting will no doubt still be attending
                                                  the show and probably enjoy the experience as well. A large number of
                                                  traders/suppliers are 'one man bands/cottage industries' and
                                                  contacting them is not always easy and persistence is required. If
                                                  it takes a number of phone calls before contact is made, you get on
                                                  with it.
                                                  >  
                                                  > My point is that the guide is a help, not an essential in your
                                                  decision to attend the show. It is just that, a guide, not a Contract
                                                  document.
                                                  > See you there.
                                                  >  
                                                  > regards
                                                  >  
                                                  > Mike 



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                                                • Richard Cleaver
                                                  Sandy, Many thanks for the explanation. I look forward to being able to download the plan. Regards Richard ... Show ... a ... to ... to
                                                  Message 24 of 24 , Aug 7 12:49 PM
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                                                    Sandy,

                                                    Many thanks for the explanation. I look forward to being able to
                                                    download the plan.

                                                    Regards

                                                    Richard

                                                    --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Sandy Harper" <sandy.harper@...>
                                                    wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In Gauge0@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Cleaver" <rcleaver@> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Sandy,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Is it the intention that GOG will publish a list of traders and a
                                                    > > plan showing where they can found at the show?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Regards
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Richard Cleaver
                                                    >
                                                    > Dear Richard,
                                                    >
                                                    > In the past we have received a great deal of comment from members
                                                    > that they were unable to make use of the show guide until they
                                                    > arrived at the show leaving no opportunity to 'plan' their visit.
                                                    >
                                                    > In response to this we agreed to revert to including the show guide
                                                    > in the Gazette posting preceding a show. In the case of Guildex the
                                                    > Gazette is published at the beginning of August. To include the
                                                    Show
                                                    > Guide,the directors report, the Guild News and the Gazette in time
                                                    > for the information to be with the publisher by the end of June is
                                                    a
                                                    > tall order.
                                                    >
                                                    > Geoff Howe will tell you that as of today, he is still attempting
                                                    to
                                                    > get the final bits of information from traders and exhibitors to
                                                    > complete the floor plan and traders list. It is planned that this
                                                    > will be complete and with the publisher on the 9th. As soon as
                                                    > practical after that date the floor plan and the full list of
                                                    > traders, with their location within the halls, will be available on
                                                    > the website.
                                                    >
                                                    > An annex to the show guide containing the floor plan and list will
                                                    > also be available on the door at the show.
                                                    >
                                                    > Regretfully it is just not possible to produce a definitive show
                                                    > guide as early as mid June for a September show and something has
                                                    to
                                                    > give. We will look at other options but we are mindful of the
                                                    > constraints of cost and deadlines which dictate the publication and
                                                    > posting dates.
                                                    >
                                                    > I trust that the above answers some of your questions and explains
                                                    > the delicate balancing act involved by quite a large number of
                                                    > volunteers spread all over the country in supplying the present
                                                    > service to members.
                                                    >
                                                    > Regards
                                                    > Sandy
                                                    > GOG Chairman
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    >
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