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Re: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: $379 60 CSX vs 76

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  • prathman@comcast.net
    From: espritdeme ... Apparently a YMMV issue since I ve found the exact opposite. The buttons on top arrangement of the 76 series
    Message 1 of 30 , Jul 10, 2006
      From: "espritdeme" <espritdeme@...>
      > one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
      > operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications.Key
      > pad is used like a mobile phone.
      >
      > The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
      > be mounted for one handed key pressing.

      Apparently a YMMV issue since I've found the exact opposite. The 'buttons on top' arrangement of the 76 series lets me hold the unit securely in my hand and use my thumb across the top to operate it. The 60 series and others with the buttons on the bottom can also be operated one-handed, but I find that I don't have nearly as secure a grip on the unit when doing so and it feels a bit more awkward.

      OTOH, I prefer the slightly smaller size of the 60 series - seems like Garmin made the 76 models needlessly bulky just so they'd float a bit better. I'd rather add a bit of flotation (lanyard bobber or foam case) when that's useful and have a smaller, more pocketable unit the rest of the time. And the 60 models do float anyway - just not quite as high out of the water.
    • clarencedold
      ... The two units are nearly the same size, by measuring stick, but the appearance of the two is remarkably different. The 76 looks huge. My son bought it, I
      Message 2 of 30 , Jul 11, 2006
        --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, "rharvey422"
        <clintonstreet3@...> wrote:
        > Since they are functionally equivalent, its a matter of preference
        > as to button placement. Some people make a big issue of the size
        > difference, but as far as I'm concerned that difference is
        > irrelevant.
        > You may have a different opinion. If possible I'd suggest handling
        > each instrument.

        The two units are nearly the same size, by measuring stick, but the
        appearance of the two is remarkably different. The 76 looks huge.
        My son bought it, I have the 60. I don't think the 76 fits as neatly
        into a pants pocket. The 60 has just an antenna sticking up the left
        side, where the 76 is full size all the way to the same distance on
        both sides.

        I like the 60 form factor quite a bit better, including the placement
        of the buttons.

        My son uses the 76 on a motorcycle. I think the button placement is
        poor, since the screen is under his hand when he is pushing the
        buttons.
      • clarencedold
        ... I would prefer tvnav.com, but they are at $415 for the 60, and higher for the 76. That s a lot of money. Perhaps Darrel does some price matching, or
        Message 3 of 30 , Jul 11, 2006
          --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, Ray <iona64@...> wrote:
          >
          > I have ordered from CompUPlus 2X when they have had

          I would prefer tvnav.com, but they are at $415 for the 60, and higher
          for the 76. That's a lot of money. Perhaps Darrel does some price
          matching, or would give a discount on some accessories.

          I got the North American Automotive kit, which includes a couple of
          different mounts and City Select NA.
        • Barry L. Lankford
          ... NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the 76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation. With the buttons above the
          Message 4 of 30 , Jul 12, 2006
            espritdeme wrote:
            > button placement,
            >
            > one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
            > operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications.Key
            > pad is used like a mobile phone.
            >
            > The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
            > be mounted for one handed key pressing.
            >
            >
            > Just a thought.
            >

            NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the
            76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation. With the buttons above
            the LCD you can curl your fingers behind the unit for support of the
            receiver while pressing the buttons with your thumb. Very natural. With
            the buttons below the LCD, you don't have much of the receiver to grab onto
            behind the buttons, and the weight is unbalanced. In fact, I can't imagine
            any way of holding and operating the 60 with one hand that'd feel secure.

            Also, most times when the receiver is mounted, I still like to cradle the
            receiver with my fingers while operating the buttons with my thumb, but in
            this case it is because it steadies my hand with respect to the receiver.
            This is very useful when driving and the vehicle is bouncing a little or if
            you're operating the receiver by feel without taking your eyes off the road.

            I realize this is a highly charged issue and many opinions abound. I don't
            have a 60 to try, but I base my opinion on my experiences with trying to
            operate the buttons on the bottom end of a larger-than-usual TV/audio
            remote control, which seems very similar to a 60 in size and weight.

            I'd advise you try both units yourself, if possible.

            Barry
          • GSV Three Minds in a Can
            Bitstring , from the wonderful person Barry L. Lankford said ... You need more imagination, or bigger hands or
            Message 5 of 30 , Jul 12, 2006
              Bitstring <44B52CE3.7080302@...>, from the wonderful person Barry
              L. Lankford <BarryL@...> said
              >espritdeme wrote:
              >> button placement,
              >>
              >> one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
              >> operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications.Key
              >> pad is used like a mobile phone.
              >>
              >> The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
              >> be mounted for one handed key pressing.
              >>
              >>
              >> Just a thought.
              >>
              >
              >NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the
              >76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation. With the buttons above
              >the LCD you can curl your fingers behind the unit for support of the
              >receiver while pressing the buttons with your thumb. Very natural. With
              >the buttons below the LCD, you don't have much of the receiver to grab onto
              >behind the buttons, and the weight is unbalanced. In fact, I can't imagine
              >any way of holding and operating the 60 with one hand that'd feel secure.

              You need more imagination, or bigger hands or something - I use a 60C
              with one hand for 6-8 hours at a time whenever I'm surveying, using
              right hand to hold it and the right thumb to operate all the buttons.

              --
              GSV Three Minds in a Can
              Google may be your friend, but groups.google.com posters definitely aren't.
            • Henry Marston
              Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb to press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time ... From: GSV Three Minds in a Can
              Message 6 of 30 , Jul 12, 2006
                Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb to press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time
                ----- Original Message -----
                Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:36 PM
                Subject: Re: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: $379 60 CSX vs 76

                Bitstring <44B52CE3.7080302@ HiWAAY.net>, from the wonderful person Barry
                L. Lankford <BarryL@HiWAAY. net> said
                >espritdeme wrote:
                >> button placement,
                >>
                >> one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
                >> operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications. Key
                >> pad is used like a mobile phone.
                >>
                >> The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
                >> be mounted for one handed key pressing.
                >>
                >>
                >> Just a thought.
                >>
                >
                >NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the
                >76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation. With the buttons above
                >the LCD you can curl your fingers behind the unit for support of the
                >receiver while pressing the buttons with your thumb. Very natural. With
                >the buttons below the LCD, you don't have much of the receiver to grab onto
                >behind the buttons, and the weight is unbalanced. In fact, I can't imagine
                >any way of holding and operating the 60 with one hand that'd feel secure.

                You need more imagination, or bigger hands or something - I use a 60C
                with one hand for 6-8 hours at a time whenever I'm surveying, using
                right hand to hold it and the right thumb to operate all the buttons.

                --
                GSV Three Minds in a Can
                Google may be your friend, but groups.google. com posters definitely aren't.

              • Jon Biddell
                Also when mounted in a vehicle using the keypad left-handed doesn t mean you obscure the screen with your hand (the 76 is a stupid design) ... A Microsoft
                Message 7 of 30 , Jul 12, 2006
                  Also when mounted in a vehicle using the keypad left-handed doesn't mean you obscure the screen with your hand (the 76 is a stupid design)

                  Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb to press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time

                  ---------------------------------------------------------
                  A Microsoft Certified System Engineer is to
                  computing what a McDonalds Certified 
                  Food Specialist is to fine cuisine.





                • Ric Jones
                  I m current in the market and I m torn between the 60 and the 76. Yesterday I had 2 friends over with 60s and I borrowed another friend s 76. I was sure I was
                  Message 8 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                    I'm current in the market and I'm torn between the 60 and the 76.
                    Yesterday I had 2 friends over with 60s and I borrowed another
                    friend's 76. I was sure I was going to get a 60 until I discovered on
                    the 76's FIND screen icons for things like hospitals, food, gas, and
                    a number of others that the 60 didn't have. I think this would be
                    very handy to use when traveling in the motmotorhome. So, today I'm
                    leaning towards the 76. I don't like it's size but nothings perfect.
                    As far as the buttons, I found both to be about the same for usage
                    once you get used to their location and which one you want to push.

                    One thing we also discovered is that the 60csx will run off usb power
                    where the 60cs will not.



                    --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, Jon Biddell <jon@...>
                    wrote:
                    >
                    > Also when mounted in a vehicle using the keypad left-handed
                    doesn't
                    > mean you obscure the screen with your hand (the 76 is a stupid
                    design)
                    > >
                    > > Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb
                    to
                    > > press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time
                    >
                    > ---------------------------------------------------------
                    > A Microsoft Certified System Engineer is to
                    > computing what a McDonalds Certified
                    > Food Specialist is to fine cuisine.
                    >
                  • drounding
                    The icons you ve seen depend on the maps loaded. I have topo maps loaded on my 60csx and have loads of icons/selections to choose from like those you
                    Message 9 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                      The icons you've seen depend on the maps loaded. I have topo maps
                      loaded on my 60csx and have loads of icons/selections to choose from
                      like those you mentioned.

                      The only real difference between the 60 and the 76 is the form
                      factor which is purely a matter of choice.


                      --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, "Ric Jones"
                      <tj4dirt@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > I'm current in the market and I'm torn between the 60 and the 76.
                      > Yesterday I had 2 friends over with 60s and I borrowed another
                      > friend's 76. I was sure I was going to get a 60 until I discovered
                      on
                      > the 76's FIND screen icons for things like hospitals, food, gas,
                      and
                      > a number of others that the 60 didn't have. I think this would be
                      > very handy to use when traveling in the motmotorhome. So, today
                      I'm
                      > leaning towards the 76. I don't like it's size but nothings
                      perfect.
                      > As far as the buttons, I found both to be about the same for usage
                      > once you get used to their location and which one you want to push.
                      >
                      > One thing we also discovered is that the 60csx will run off usb
                      power
                      > where the 60cs will not.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, Jon Biddell <jon@>
                      > wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Also when mounted in a vehicle using the keypad left-handed
                      > doesn't
                      > > mean you obscure the screen with your hand (the 76 is a stupid
                      > design)
                      > > >
                      > > > Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using
                      thumb
                      > to
                      > > > press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time
                      > >
                      > > ---------------------------------------------------------
                      > > A Microsoft Certified System Engineer is to
                      > > computing what a McDonalds Certified
                      > > Food Specialist is to fine cuisine.
                      > >
                      >
                    • tvnav.com
                      ... From: Barry L. Lankford To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re:
                      Message 10 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: "Barry L. Lankford" <BarryL@...>
                        To: <GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:09 PM
                        Subject: Re: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: $379 60 CSX vs 76


                        > espritdeme wrote:
                        >> button placement,
                        >>
                        >> one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
                        >> operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications.Key
                        >> pad is used like a mobile phone.
                        >>
                        >> The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
                        >> be mounted for one handed key pressing.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Just a thought.
                        >>
                        >
                        > NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the
                        > 76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation.

                        I agree 100%! Thanks.


                        Darrel Goheen
                        GPS@...
                        http://www.tvnav.com
                        Voice 785-625-3546/FAX 413-383-8800
                      • tvnav.com
                        ... From: Henry Marston To: Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: Re:
                        Message 11 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Henry Marston" <hmarston@...>
                          To: <GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:21 PM
                          Subject: Re: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: $379 60 CSX vs 76


                          Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb to press
                          keys) with the screen fully visible all the time

                          I agree that it can be done but it's much more comfortable to use the 76
                          one handed than it is the 60 style. I've used both types quite a bit. Best
                          advice is to try both and get the one that is most comfortable for you.

                          Darrel Goheen
                          GPS@...
                          http://www.tvnav.com
                          Voice 785-625-3546/FAX 413-383-8800
                        • Barry L. Lankford
                          ... Let me say this loudly, once and for all: YOU CAN VERY EASILY OPERATE THE 76C(Sx) WITH ONE HAND *WITHOUT* OBSCURING ANY OF THE LCD SCREEN AND *WITH* THE
                          Message 12 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                            Henry Marston wrote:
                            > Quite right, the 60CSx allows one handed operation (using thumb to
                            > press keys) with the screen fully visible all the time.

                            Let me say this loudly, once and for all: YOU CAN VERY EASILY OPERATE THE
                            76C(Sx) WITH ONE HAND *WITHOUT* OBSCURING ANY OF THE LCD SCREEN AND *WITH*
                            THE CENTER OF GRAVITY OF THE 76 SQUARELY LOCATED IN THE EXACT CENTER OF THE
                            AREA OF SUPPORT PROVIDED BY THE FINGERS AND PALM IN THE BACK.

                            I've even thought about making a short AVI movie of me doing this, but
                            decided I'd only go so far towards convincing the closed-minded.

                            There are actually a few differences between the 60C and 76C where I prefer
                            the 60C way. The inclusion of the belt hanger attach point on back and a
                            difference in the buttons comes to mind, but I think there were some others
                            that I can't think of at the moment. All those were minor items for me. I
                            bought my 76CS long before the "x" models were even a rumor, so it was
                            mostly the 2X memory difference that I went for.

                            Barry
                          • Barry L. Lankford
                            ... Anyone who knows me well knows I do not suffer from a lack of imagination, and I ll pass on the big hands thank you. I m happy with my average sized hands
                            Message 13 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                              GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
                              > Bitstring <44B52CE3.7080302@...>, from the wonderful person Barry
                              > L. Lankford <BarryL@...> said
                              >
                              >>espritdeme wrote:
                              >>
                              >>>button placement,
                              >>>
                              >>>one thing to consider, the 60 layout lends itself to onehand
                              >>>operation as far as the buttons, great for handheld applications.Key
                              >>>pad is used like a mobile phone.
                              >>>
                              >>>The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2 hands, or it must
                              >>>be mounted for one handed key pressing.
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>Just a thought.
                              >>>
                              >>
                              >>NOT TRUE! Not at all. The button placement ABOVE the display, as in the
                              >>76, is actually *better* for one-handed operation. With the buttons above
                              >>the LCD you can curl your fingers behind the unit for support of the
                              >>receiver while pressing the buttons with your thumb. Very natural. With
                              >>the buttons below the LCD, you don't have much of the receiver to grab onto
                              >>behind the buttons, and the weight is unbalanced. In fact, I can't imagine
                              >>any way of holding and operating the 60 with one hand that'd feel secure.
                              >
                              >
                              > You need more imagination, or bigger hands or something - I use a 60C
                              > with one hand for 6-8 hours at a time whenever I'm surveying, using
                              > right hand to hold it and the right thumb to operate all the buttons.
                              >

                              Anyone who knows me well knows I do not suffer from a lack of imagination,
                              and I'll pass on the big hands thank you. I'm happy with my average sized
                              hands and my 76CS that works quite well with one average sized hand WITHOUT
                              OBSCURING THE LCD SCREEN IN THE SLIGHTEST!

                              The primary point of my original post was to dispute the flat-out statement
                              by "espritdeme" that "The button placement on the 76 needs either needs 2
                              hands, or it must be mounted for one handed key pressing," That statement,
                              by espritdeme, IS TOTALLY FALSE!

                              My previous post contained a typo. The statement: "... I can't imagine any
                              way of holding and operating the 60 with one hand that'd feel secure,"
                              should have read: "... I can't imagine any way of holding and operating the
                              60 with one hand that'd feel *AS* secure." I think that changes the
                              statement entirely. I did not intend to imply that I thought one-handed
                              operation of the 60C was totally impossible, only that it didn't provide
                              the feeling of security that I get with the 76C. This is because of the
                              center of gravity of the 76C, which is squarely located in the exact center
                              of the area of support provided by the fingers and palm in the back of the
                              receiver when either held for carrying or held for one-handed operation.

                              I bought my 76CS long before the "x" models were even a rumor, and it was
                              because of the ~2X memory difference that I originally chose the 76CS. The
                              issue of button placement was only a small consideration at the time, not a
                              deal breaker. It was just happenstance that the model with the amount of
                              memory I wanted also had the button placement I prefer. It was a issue of
                              only moderate importance, and if it had been the 60CS that had the larger
                              memory, I suspect I'd be able to adapt and be reasonably happy with the
                              button placement below the LCD screen.

                              Barry
                            • Jerome Paladino
                              My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I ve read page 9 of the manual, and removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems pretty straight
                              Message 14 of 30 , Jul 13, 2006
                                My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I've read page 9 of the manual, and
                                removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems pretty
                                straight foreword but if anyone has any advice I would love to hear it. Is
                                it an easy swap? Anything to watch out for?
                                Jerry
                              • drounding
                                Not really - it fits quite easily - just take care not to bend the metal retaining clip. Duncan ... manual, and ... pretty ... it. Is
                                Message 15 of 30 , Jul 14, 2006
                                  Not really - it fits quite easily - just take care not to bend the
                                  metal retaining clip.

                                  Duncan

                                  --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, "Jerome Paladino"
                                  <shamanjp@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I've read page 9 of the
                                  manual, and
                                  > removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems
                                  pretty
                                  > straight foreword but if anyone has any advice I would love to hear
                                  it. Is
                                  > it an easy swap? Anything to watch out for?
                                  > Jerry
                                  >
                                • annoyedone
                                  ... Yes. ... The cards are extremely small and the slot is spring loaded. Be careful not to shoot your card across the room as I did once ;-)
                                  Message 16 of 30 , Jul 14, 2006
                                    --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, "Jerome Paladino"
                                    <shamanjp@...> wrote:

                                    > Is it an easy swap?

                                    Yes.

                                    > Anything to watch out for?

                                    The cards are extremely small and the slot is spring loaded. Be
                                    careful not to shoot your card across the room as I did once ;-)
                                  • Jerome Paladino
                                    Thanks Duncan and annoyedone. It was easy and went without a hitch. Now I have a large chunk of City Select as well as a piece of Topo installed. One question
                                    Message 17 of 30 , Jul 15, 2006
                                      Thanks Duncan and annoyedone. It was easy and went without a hitch. Now I
                                      have a large chunk of City Select as well as a piece of Topo installed. One
                                      question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it using them (the ones
                                      that overlap the same area) at the same time? Or how do you tell if you are
                                      using Topo or City select? I guess I want to know if I am gaining anything
                                      by keeping my local Topo installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                      Jerry

                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                      > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of drounding
                                      > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:58 AM
                                      > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Not really - it fits quite easily - just take care not to bend the
                                      > metal retaining clip.
                                      >
                                      > Duncan
                                      >
                                      > --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com, "Jerome Paladino"
                                      > <shamanjp@...> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I've read page 9 of the
                                      > manual, and
                                      > > removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems
                                      > pretty
                                      > > straight foreword but if anyone has any advice I would love to hear
                                      > it. Is
                                      > > it an easy swap? Anything to watch out for?
                                      > > Jerry
                                      > >
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                                    • Sergio L Barroso
                                      Jerry, A friend of mine complained that, when he transfers a lot of maps to his 60CSx (some hundreds), using the Find Cities function causes the GPS reboot.
                                      Message 18 of 30 , Jul 15, 2006
                                        Jerry,

                                        A friend of mine complained that, when he transfers a lot of maps to his 60CSx (some hundreds), using the "Find Cities" function causes the GPS reboot.

                                        Have you installed all the City Select (USA? Europe?) maps? How many maps does it have in total? Is the Find Cities function working?

                                        Thanks a lot.

                                        Regards,

                                        Sergio

                                        On 7/15/06, Jerome Paladino <shamanjp@...> wrote:

                                        Thanks Duncan and annoyedone. It was easy and went without a hitch. Now I
                                        have a large chunk of City Select as well as a piece of Topo installed. One
                                        question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it using them (the ones
                                        that overlap the same area) at the same time? Or how do you tell if you are
                                        using Topo or City select? I guess I want to know if I am gaining anything
                                        by keeping my local Topo installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                        Jerry

                                        > -----Original Message-----
                                        > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of drounding
                                        > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:58 AM
                                        > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > Not really - it fits quite easily - just take care not to bend the
                                        > metal retaining clip.
                                        >
                                        > Duncan
                                        >
                                        > --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com , "Jerome Paladino"
                                        > <shamanjp@...> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I've read page 9 of the
                                        > manual, and
                                        > > removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems
                                        > pretty
                                        > > straight foreword but if anyone has any advice I would love to hear
                                        > it. Is
                                        > > it an easy swap? Anything to watch out for?
                                        > > Jerry
                                        > >
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                                        > __________________________________________________________
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                                        > Garmin Downloads: http://www.garmin.com/support/download.jsp
                                        >
                                        > Yahoo! Groups Links
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                                      • Jerome Paladino
                                        Sergio, I have installed City Navigator 8 North America with most detail . And about two states worth of the Topo US. I m not sure how many map segments, but
                                        Message 19 of 30 , Jul 15, 2006
                                          Sergio,
                                          I have installed City Navigator 8 North America with "most detail". And about two states worth of the Topo US. I'm not sure how many map segments, but the 1 gig card is nearly full and around half of City Navigator fit on it. The Find Cities function seems to be working fine. I think I will be quite happy with this setup. I was surprised how long it took to upload the maps to the 60CSx via USB 2.
                                          Jerry
                                           
                                          -----Original Message-----
                                          From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sergio L Barroso
                                          Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:09 PM
                                          To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: Re: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement

                                          Jerry,

                                          A friend of mine complained that, when he transfers a lot of maps to his 60CSx (some hundreds), using the "Find Cities" function causes the GPS reboot.

                                          Have you installed all the City Select (USA? Europe?) maps? How many maps does it have in total? Is the Find Cities function working?

                                          Thanks a lot.

                                          Regards,

                                          Sergio

                                          On 7/15/06, Jerome Paladino <shamanjp@...> wrote:

                                          Thanks Duncan and annoyedone. It was easy and went without a hitch. Now I
                                          have a large chunk of City Select as well as a piece of Topo installed. One
                                          question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it using them (the ones
                                          that overlap the same area) at the same time? Or how do you tell if you are
                                          using Topo or City select? I guess I want to know if I am gaining anything
                                          by keeping my local Topo installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                          Jerry

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                                          > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of drounding
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                                          > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
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                                          > Not really - it fits quite easily - just take care not to bend the
                                          > metal retaining clip.
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                                          > Duncan
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                                          > --- In GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com , "Jerome Paladino"
                                          > <shamanjp@...> wrote:
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                                          > > My 1 gig card should arrive tomorrow. I've read page 9 of the
                                          > manual, and
                                          > > removed the batteries and had a look at the card and tray. It seems
                                          > pretty
                                          > > straight foreword but if anyone has any advice I would love to hear
                                          > it. Is
                                          > > it an easy swap? Anything to watch out for?
                                          > > Jerry
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                                        • MarkJenn
                                          ... Not completely sure I know what you re asking, but my understanding is that the unit can display only one map at a time, so it uses City Select if it can.
                                          Message 20 of 30 , Jul 16, 2006
                                            > One question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it
                                            > using them (the ones that overlap the same area) at the same time?
                                            > Or how do you tell if you are using Topo or City select? I guess I
                                            > want to know if I am gaining anything by keeping my local Topo
                                            > installed or if City select renders it useless?

                                            Not completely sure I know what you're asking, but my understanding is
                                            that the unit can display only one map at a time, so it uses City
                                            Select if it can. So if you have both maps loaded for an area, you
                                            won't see Topo unless you turn CS off.

                                            Map selection is buried down in one of the menus - you can turn entire
                                            map sets on/off (e.g., don't show CS) or you can toggle individual map
                                            blocks on/off. If both are toggled on, then CS wins.

                                            - Mark
                                          • Jerome Paladino
                                            Thanks for the reply Mark. It sounds like leaving topo maps on the card is just a waste of card space and I would be better off loading more of City Navigator
                                            Message 21 of 30 , Jul 16, 2006
                                              Thanks for the reply Mark.
                                              It sounds like leaving topo maps on the card is just a waste of card space
                                              and I would be better off loading more of City Navigator instead? If this is
                                              the case I wasted money buying the 60CSx bundled with the US Topo Mapsource.
                                              Jerry

                                              > -----Original Message-----
                                              > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                              > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of MarkJenn
                                              > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:46 PM
                                              > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > > One question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it
                                              > > using them (the ones that overlap the same area) at the same time?
                                              > > Or how do you tell if you are using Topo or City select? I guess I
                                              > > want to know if I am gaining anything by keeping my local Topo
                                              > > installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                              >
                                              > Not completely sure I know what you're asking, but my understanding is
                                              > that the unit can display only one map at a time, so it uses City
                                              > Select if it can. So if you have both maps loaded for an area, you
                                              > won't see Topo unless you turn CS off.
                                              >
                                              > Map selection is buried down in one of the menus - you can turn entire
                                              > map sets on/off (e.g., don't show CS) or you can toggle individual map
                                              > blocks on/off. If both are toggled on, then CS wins.
                                              >
                                              > - Mark
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                            • Gary Turner
                                              That doesn t really make sense. If you want to use Topo ( e.g. if you are out in the bush ) you want it on the card so you can use it when you are. I guess you
                                              Message 22 of 30 , Jul 16, 2006
                                                That doesn't really make sense.
                                                 
                                                If you want to use Topo ( e.g. if you are out in the bush ) you want it on the card so you can use it when you are.
                                                I guess you must have a use for it - ( as in you aren't just a city slicker! ;^) - since you did buy it.
                                                 
                                                When you are driving - use CN/CS - when you head into the bush - turn CN/CS off. When you do that - Topo will appear.
                                                It's only a couple of key presses.
                                                 
                                                Go to the map - then press menu - I think you select the 'i' icon - and you should see a list of loaded maps.
                                                Press menu again - and there will be boxes to turn map products on and off - turn CN/CS off - and Topo will appear.
                                                Turn CN/CS back on when you want to see only roads. 
                                                 
                                                I'm not 100% about the above as I don't have my unit with me, and it's a CS not a CSX - but I'm pretty certain that it's the same.
                                                Try it and see.
                                                 
                                                An alternative ( but much messier solution ) would be to have CN/CS and Topo on different cards - and swap them.
                                                 
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 2:49 PM
                                                Subject: RE: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement

                                                Thanks for the reply Mark.
                                                It sounds like leaving topo maps on the card is just a waste of card space
                                                and I would be better off loading more of City Navigator instead? If this is
                                                the case I wasted money buying the 60CSx bundled with the US Topo Mapsource.
                                                Jerry

                                                > -----Original Message-----
                                                > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_ 60CS@yahoogroups .com
                                                > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_ 60CS@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of MarkJenn
                                                > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:46 PM
                                                > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_ 60CS@yahoogroups .com
                                                > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_ 60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > > One question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it
                                                > > using them (the ones that overlap the same area) at the same time?
                                                > > Or how do you tell if you are using Topo or City select? I guess I
                                                > > want to know if I am gaining anything by keeping my local Topo
                                                > > installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                                >
                                                > Not completely sure I know what you're asking, but my understanding is
                                                > that the unit can display only one map at a time, so it uses City
                                                > Select if it can. So if you have both maps loaded for an area, you
                                                > won't see Topo unless you turn CS off.
                                                >
                                                > Map selection is buried down in one of the menus - you can turn entire
                                                > map sets on/off (e.g., don't show CS) or you can toggle individual map
                                                > blocks on/off. If both are toggled on, then CS wins.
                                                >
                                                > - Mark
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >

                                              • Bob Reimer
                                                I m not sure about US topo but I have the topo from GPSMaps.de for UAE and Oman loaded together with City Navigator Middle East 3 and the topo shows on top of
                                                Message 23 of 30 , Jul 16, 2006
                                                  I'm not sure about US topo but I have the topo from GPSMaps.de for UAE and
                                                  Oman loaded together with City Navigator Middle East 3 and the topo shows on
                                                  top of the CNME3 just fine on my 60Cx.

                                                  Regards,
                                                  Bob Reimer
                                                  Al Ain
                                                  United Arab Emirates

                                                  -----Original Message-----
                                                  From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerome Paladino
                                                  Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:50 PM
                                                  To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Subject: RE: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement

                                                  Thanks for the reply Mark.
                                                  It sounds like leaving topo maps on the card is just a waste of card space
                                                  and I would be better off loading more of City Navigator instead? If this is
                                                  the case I wasted money buying the 60CSx bundled with the US Topo Mapsource.
                                                  Jerry

                                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                                  > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of MarkJenn
                                                  > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:46 PM
                                                  > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Subject: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card removal/replacement
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > > One question though, the 60CSx lists all the maps so is it using
                                                  > > them (the ones that overlap the same area) at the same time?
                                                  > > Or how do you tell if you are using Topo or City select? I guess I
                                                  > > want to know if I am gaining anything by keeping my local Topo
                                                  > > installed or if City select renders it useless?
                                                  >
                                                  > Not completely sure I know what you're asking, but my understanding is
                                                  > that the unit can display only one map at a time, so it uses City
                                                  > Select if it can. So if you have both maps loaded for an area, you
                                                  > won't see Topo unless you turn CS off.
                                                  >
                                                  > Map selection is buried down in one of the menus - you can turn entire
                                                  > map sets on/off (e.g., don't show CS) or you can toggle individual map
                                                  > blocks on/off. If both are toggled on, then CS wins.
                                                  >
                                                  > - Mark
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >




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                                                • List1
                                                  ... Same here (South Africa), although the fact that our map sets will contain a lot less data than yours may be a factor. Worth a try, though. On the 60CSx,
                                                  Message 24 of 30 , Jul 16, 2006
                                                    Bob Reimer:
                                                    > I'm not sure about US topo but I have the topo from
                                                    > GPSMaps.de for UAE and Oman loaded together with City
                                                    > Navigator Middle East 3 and the topo shows on top of the
                                                    > CNME3 just fine on my 60Cx.

                                                    Same here (South Africa), although the fact that our map sets
                                                    will contain a lot less data than yours may be a factor.

                                                    Worth a try, though. On the 60CSx, go to
                                                    Menu/Setup/Map/Information (i), press Menu and select Show All.
                                                    I'm not sure that all maps are shown at once; it may be that the
                                                    unit automatically selects the most appropriate map based on your
                                                    zoom level.

                                                    Christo
                                                  • Jerome Paladino
                                                    When I turn off City Navigator North America I then see much more map data from USA Topo. I would say on my 60CSx it is worthwhile having both loaded,
                                                    Message 25 of 30 , Jul 17, 2006
                                                      When I turn off City Navigator North America I then see much more map data
                                                      from USA Topo. I would say on my 60CSx it is worthwhile having both loaded,
                                                      depending on what you are doing but City does seem to cover up or hide Topo.
                                                      Originally I was confused because there are over three hundred maps with
                                                      checked boxes. Thanks to this thread I now know how to turn off a whole map
                                                      set. I thought I would have to go through and uncheck all those boxes and
                                                      was not about to do that on a regular basis. Thanks everyone for your input.
                                                      Jerry

                                                      > -----Original Message-----
                                                      > From: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > [mailto:GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of List1
                                                      > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:15 AM
                                                      > To: GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS@yahoogroups.com
                                                      > Subject: RE: [GarminGPSMAP60C_60CS] Re: micro SD card
                                                      > removal/replacement
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > Bob Reimer:
                                                      > > I'm not sure about US topo but I have the topo from
                                                      > > GPSMaps.de for UAE and Oman loaded together with City
                                                      > > Navigator Middle East 3 and the topo shows on top of the
                                                      > > CNME3 just fine on my 60Cx.
                                                      >
                                                      > Same here (South Africa), although the fact that our map sets
                                                      > will contain a lot less data than yours may be a factor.
                                                      >
                                                      > Worth a try, though. On the 60CSx, go to
                                                      > Menu/Setup/Map/Information (i), press Menu and select Show All.
                                                      > I'm not sure that all maps are shown at once; it may be that the
                                                      > unit automatically selects the most appropriate map based on your
                                                      > zoom level.
                                                      >
                                                      > Christo
                                                      >
                                                      >
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