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  • dns_ny
    Most of my emails come from my office and we use Lotus Notes there. Those from home are from Microsoft Outlook. Sorry if it was hard to read. Should I resend
    Message 1 of 8 , Jan 1, 2005
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      Most of my emails come from my office and we use Lotus Notes there.
      Those from home are from Microsoft Outlook. Sorry if it was hard to
      read. Should I resend differently?

      --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, Laurence Krupnak
      <Lkrupnak@e...> wrote:
      > Hello Denise,
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      > I don't know what kind of e-mail software you have. It is very
      > difficult to read your e-mails. For example, it is very difficult
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      > distinquish quoted text and your responses.
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      > dns_ny wrote:
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      > > Lavrentiy,
      > >
      > > Thanks so much for the info. See my responses below.
      > >
      > > --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, Laurence Krupnak
      > > <Lkrupnak@e...> wrote:
      > > > dns_ny wrote:
      > > >
      > > > > I searched
      > > > > some ship manifests for the port of NY around the time I
      thought
      > > my
      > > > > great grandfather brought his family over. I didn't find
      anything
      > > > > conclusive. I think I found him in one Census record --
      1910 or
      > > > > 1920 -- but the children were grown by then.
      > > >
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      > > >
      > > >
      > > > 1. Did you use Dr. Morse's EI indexes? (starts with 1892).
      > > Didn't know about it, but have looked it up, used it, and didn't
      find
      > > anything.
      > > >
      > > > 2. Also try the indexes that the INS prepared (starts with
      1897).
      > > > They are at the NA (7th Street & PA Avenue). So close and yet
      so
      > > far . . . My grandfather's birthday is 23 Jan 1878. This is
      the
      > > date his children knew as his birhtday, we have no documnetation.
      > > Various relatives remember his age at immigration differently,
      > > anywhere from one to seven. This suggests years of immigration
      > > between 1878 and 1886. This source probably won't help.
      > > >
      > > > 3. Ancestry.com has indexes for periods of time not covered
      by
      > > the INS
      > > > and EI indexes. These are for sale, no doubt, and may be
      a
      > > good source.
      > > >
      > > > 4. Depending on date of arrivals use the Glazier and
      > > Filby "Russians
      > > > to America" indexes. This may be another good source for
      me.
      > > >
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      > > >
      > > > > I am not familar with the naturalization process, but I
      believe it
      > > > > would have been my great grandfather who applied for
      citizenship
      > > (my
      > > > > grandfather would have been seven at the time of
      immigration), is
      > > > > that correct? Would his naturalization afford citizenship
      to his
      > > > > wife and children? If so, my grandfather would not have
      applied.
      > > > > How long did one have to wait to apply?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Naturalization process is five years (minimum). Two years
      > > > residency prior to submitting a Declaration and three years
      wait to
      > > > submit a Petition.
      > > >
      > > > Prior to ca. 1922, the foreign born wife and children
      derived
      > > > citizenship. After 1922 they had to apply separately.
      > > Declaration and
      > > > Petition papers give date of immigration and manner or arrival.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > In all of the legal documents relating to my grandfather I
      have
      > > > > found, he says he was born in the U. S. I thought he may
      have
      > > been
      > > > > more honest with the Polish church, so I got the baptismal
      records
      > > > > for my dad and uncle, but they contain no information about
      my
      > > > > grandfather's place of birth. I also don't find him in the
      SS
      > > Death
      > > > > Index under Zabinski or under Cibinski, a name my dad told
      me his
      > > > > father used to re-gain employment after the Great
      Depression. It
      > > > > seems my grandfather was a little loose with the truth, but
      > > perhaps
      > > > > it was necessary at the time.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > In order to track down the Zabinski's, I think I need to
      focus on
      > > the
      > > > > man I believe to be my great grandfather. He is called
      Joseph in
      > > the
      > > > > Census, and his wife is Mary. They would have immigrated in
      the
      > > late
      > > > > 1880's or early 1890's, as I recall before Ellis Island was
      > > operating
      > > > > (I'll have to check my files again). They settled in
      Brooklyn,
      > > NY.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > All US immigration records are filed by entry point, not by
      > > specific
      > > > immigration stations (Ellis Island/Castle Garden, etc.).
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > I work three blocks from the National Archives in DC, so I
      have
      > > easy
      > > > > access to their holdings. Would I find naturalization
      records
      > > there?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > DC has mostly the Federal court records of courts located
      in the
      > > > mid-Atlantic States. NY has the New York District court
      records.
      > > You
      > > > can send NY an e-mail and they will check their indexes. DC
      has
      > > the NY
      > > > indexes, but not the actual naturalization papers.
      > > >
      > > > Certain State and local courts can also grant
      naturalization.
      > > The
      > > > NA doesn't have their records. The INS can identify the court
      of
      > > record
      > > > if naturalization was granted after ca. September 1906.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Does the surname ZABINSKI give any indication from which
      part of
      > > > > Poland my ancestors came?
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > No.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Also, I thought Jan was the Polish equivalent of John, but
      in my
      > > > > dad's baptismal records, my grandfather is Joannes.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Jan ... Polish
      > > >
      > > > Joannes ... Latin
      > > >
      > > > John ... English
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Thanks for your help!
      > > > >
      > > > > Denise
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > _________
      > > >
      > > > Lavrentiy
    • Laurence Krupnak
      ... Aren t you afraid that EPA is monitoring your use of government computers for personal communications? ________ Lavrentiy .
      Message 2 of 8 , Jan 1, 2005
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        dns_ny wrote:
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        > Most of my emails come from my office and we use Lotus Notes there.


        Aren't you afraid that EPA is monitoring your use of government
        computers for personal communications?

        ________

        Lavrentiy

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