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    You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@yahoo.com as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com Kremlin Intensifies Pressure as Ukraine Prepares for Vote By
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      Kremlin Intensifies Pressure as Ukraine Prepares for Vote

      By Philip P. Pan

      KIEV, Ukraine -- Five years after Ukraine defied Russia and turned toward the United States and Europe in a peaceful, democratic revolution, Moscow is poised for a comeback in this former Soviet republic.

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        Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base

        By Philip P. Pan

        MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.

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      • Laurence
        Steve, Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can t rely on the US and European nations to do so.
        Message 3 of 24 , Oct 3, 2009
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          Steve,

          Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
          _____


          Lavrentiy



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          > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
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          > By Philip P. Pan
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          > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
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        • Laurence
          South Ossetia: South Ossetia ... is a disputed region in the South Caucasus, located in the territory of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast within the former
          Message 4 of 24 , Oct 3, 2009
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            South Ossetia:

            South Ossetia ... is a disputed region in the South Caucasus, located in the territory of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast within the former Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.

            In the Soviet era South Ossetia was the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast", a dominantly (Russian) ethnic enclave, within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic (Georgian SSR).

            The Republic of South Ossetia declared its independence from Georgia in 1990. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to retake the region by force. This lead to the 1991â€"1992 South Ossetia War. Georgia tried to retake South Ossetia by force on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2008. The last attempt led to the 2008 South Ossetia war, during which Ossetian separatists and Russian troops gained full, de-facto, control of the territory of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia
            --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
            >
            > Steve,
            >
            > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
            > _____
            >
            >
            > Lavrentiy
            >
            >
            >
            > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
            > >
            > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
            > >
            > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
            > >
            > > By Philip P. Pan
            > >
            > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
            > >
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          • Laurence
            ... correction: a dominantly (Ossetian) ethnic enclave within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic (Georgian SSR).
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              --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
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              > South Ossetia:
              >
              > South Ossetia ... is a disputed region in the South Caucasus, located in the territory of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast within the former Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.
              >
              > In the Soviet era South Ossetia was the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast", a dominantly (Russian) ethnic enclave,


              correction:

              a dominantly (Ossetian) ethnic enclave


              within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic (Georgian SSR).
              >
              > The Republic of South Ossetia declared its independence from Georgia in 1990. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to retake the region by force. This lead to the 1991��"1992 South Ossetia War. Georgia tried to retake South Ossetia by force on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2008. The last attempt led to the 2008 South Ossetia war, during which Ossetian separatists and Russian troops gained full, de-facto, control of the territory of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast.
              >
              > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia
              > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Steve,
              > >
              > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
              > > _____
              > >
              > >
              > > Lavrentiy
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
              > > >
              > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
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              > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
              > > >
              > > > By Philip P. Pan
              > > >
              > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
              > > >
              > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
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            • Laurence
              South Ossetia is inhabited mostly by ethnic Ossetians who speak a language remotely related to Farsi. Georgians account for less than one-third of the
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                South Ossetia is inhabited mostly by ethnic Ossetians who speak a language remotely related to Farsi. Georgians account for less than one-third of the population.

                http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/country_profiles/3797729.stm




                --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
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                >
                >
                > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                > >
                > > South Ossetia:
                > >
                > > South Ossetia ... is a disputed region in the South Caucasus, located in the territory of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast within the former Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic.
                > >
                > > In the Soviet era South Ossetia was the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast", a dominantly (Russian) ethnic enclave,
                >
                >
                > correction:
                >
                > a dominantly (Ossetian) ethnic enclave
                >
                >
                > within the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic (Georgian SSR).
                > >
                > > The Republic of South Ossetia declared its independence from Georgia in 1990. The Georgian government responded by abolishing South Ossetia's autonomy and trying to retake the region by force. This lead to the 1991��"1992 South Ossetia War. Georgia tried to retake South Ossetia by force on two other occasions, in 2004 and 2008. The last attempt led to the 2008 South Ossetia war, during which Ossetian separatists and Russian troops gained full, de-facto, control of the territory of the former South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast.
                > >
                > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia
                > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Steve,
                > > >
                > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                > > > _____
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Lavrentiy
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                > > > >
                > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                > > > >
                > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                > > > >
                > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                > > > >
                > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
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              • Damareisv
                Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to find jokes you can have fun with . I m glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you.
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                  Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.

                  Steve Zerkis






                  --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Steve,
                  >
                  > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                  > _____
                  >
                  >
                  > Lavrentiy
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                  > >
                  > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                  > >
                  > > By Philip P. Pan
                  > >
                  > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                  > >
                  > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
                  > >
                  > >
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                • Laurence
                  Steve, Way back in 2004 Russia said: Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian
                  Message 8 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                    Steve,

                    Way back in 2004 Russia said:

                    Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."


                    http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378


                    In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.

                    ________

                    Lavrentiy




                    --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                    >
                    > Steve Zerkis
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Steve,
                    > >
                    > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                    > > _____
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Lavrentiy
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                    > > >
                    > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                    > > >
                    > > > By Philip P. Pan
                    > > >
                    > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                    > > >
                    > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
                    > > >
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                  • Laurence
                    Steve, When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:
                    Message 9 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                      Steve,

                      When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:

                      http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html


                      _____________

                      Lavrentiy




                      --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Steve,
                      >
                      > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                      >
                      > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                      >
                      >
                      > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                      >
                      >
                      > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                      >
                      > ________
                      >
                      > Lavrentiy
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                      > >
                      > > Steve Zerkis
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Steve,
                      > > >
                      > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                      > > > _____
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Lavrentiy
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                      > > > >
                      > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                      > > > >
                      > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
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                    • Bob Koshman
                      you wrote.....Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’ Do you mean, and does Russia mean to protect Russians it forcibley put into eastern
                      Message 10 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                        you wrote.....Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia���



                        Do you mean, and does Russia mean to protect Russians it forcibley put into eastern Ukraine, (during the last soviet, 50 year period)......and this gives Russia the right to interfere in Ukrainian politics today.



                        as Steve said,,,,,,,,,good joke!!!!!!.



                        Bob



                        To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
                        From: Lkrupnak@...
                        Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:25:40 +0000
                        Subject: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: A washingtonpost.com article from: stevezerkis@...





                        Steve,

                        When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:

                        http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html

                        _____________

                        Lavrentiy

                        --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Steve,
                        >
                        > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                        >
                        > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia���s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                        >
                        >
                        > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                        >
                        >
                        > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                        >
                        > ________
                        >
                        > Lavrentiy
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                        > >
                        > > Steve Zerkis
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Steve,
                        > > >
                        > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                        > > > _____
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Lavrentiy
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                        > > > >
                        > > > > By Philip P. Pan
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                        > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
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                      • Laurence
                        ... ******** Hello Bob, I do not quite understand your rhetorical observations and questions? Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. there are no
                        Message 11 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                          Bob Koshman wrote:

                          > Do you mean...does Russia mean to protect Russians it
                          > forcibley put into eastern Ukraine, (during the last soviet,
                          > 50 year period)......and this gives Russia the right to
                          > interfere in Ukrainian politics today.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > as Steve said,,,,,,,,,good joke!!!!!!.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Bob

                          ********

                          Hello Bob,

                          I do not quite understand your rhetorical observations and questions?

                          Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. there are no citizens of Russia residing in Ukraine today:


                          http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html


                          http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-166272088/dual-citizenship-laws-ukraine.html

                          http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_europe/2009-04-30/667060040949.html



                          Therefore, if some nation wants to invade Ukraine, Russia would have no legal basis to stop that nation from invading Ukraine.


                          Many citizens of South Ossetia also have Russian citizenship, so therefore, when Georgia invaded South Ossetia, Russia repelled the aggressor Georgian government to protect the Russian citizens who resided in South Ossetia.

                          ________

                          Lavrentiy
                        • Laurence
                          Bob, Becareful when you travel to Ukraine: SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES: Ukraine does not recognize dual nationality. American citizens entering Ukraine with a
                          Message 12 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                            Bob,

                            Becareful when you travel to Ukraine:

                            SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES: Ukraine does not recognize dual nationality. American citizens entering Ukraine with a Ukrainian passport will be treated as Ukrainian citizens by the local authorities. This may include being required to perform mandatory military service. Also, Ukrainians who have immigrated to the U.S. without obtaining the proper exit visa from Ukrainian authorities may be subject to civil or criminal penalties, and will be required to obtain an exit visa before returning to the U.S.

                            Under Ukrainian law, police are permitted to stop anyone for any reason and check his or her identification documents (the only two such documents police will recognize are passports and immigration cards, which foreign visitors are required to carry at all times). Ukrainian police may check foreigners' passports to verify their legal presence in Ukraine. Police are further permitted to detain anyone for up to 72 hours without formal charges.


                            --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > Bob Koshman wrote:
                            >
                            > > Do you mean...does Russia mean to protect Russians it
                            > > forcibley put into eastern Ukraine, (during the last soviet,
                            > > 50 year period)......and this gives Russia the right to
                            > > interfere in Ukrainian politics today.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > as Steve said,,,,,,,,,good joke!!!!!!.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Bob
                            >
                            > ********
                            >
                            > Hello Bob,
                            >
                            > I do not quite understand your rhetorical observations and questions?
                            >
                            > Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. there are no citizens of Russia residing in Ukraine today:
                            >
                            >
                            > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html
                            >
                            >
                            > http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-166272088/dual-citizenship-laws-ukraine.html
                            >
                            > http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_europe/2009-04-30/667060040949.html
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Therefore, if some nation wants to invade Ukraine, Russia would have no legal basis to stop that nation from invading Ukraine.
                            >
                            >
                            > Many citizens of South Ossetia also have Russian citizenship, so therefore, when Georgia invaded South Ossetia, Russia repelled the aggressor Georgian government to protect the Russian citizens who resided in South Ossetia.
                            >
                            > ________
                            >
                            > Lavrentiy
                            >
                          • Bob Koshman
                            !!!!!!!??????????,,,,,,,,,,What are you talking about?????????? or should I ask what are you smoking??????????????? Your reply is way off topic,,,,,,,way out
                            Message 13 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                              !!!!!!!??????????,,,,,,,,,,What are you talking about?????????? or should I ask what are you smoking???????????????



                              Your reply is way off topic,,,,,,,way out in left field,,,,,,,,,actually right out of the ballpark??????



                              What has travel??? got to do with Russian aggression?



                              Please, focus to the topic.



                              Bob



                              To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
                              From: Lkrupnak@...
                              Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:52:14 +0000
                              Subject: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: A washingtonpost.com article from: stevezerkis@...






                              Bob,

                              Becareful when you travel to Ukraine:

                              SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES: Ukraine does not recognize dual nationality. American citizens entering Ukraine with a Ukrainian passport will be treated as Ukrainian citizens by the local authorities. This may include being required to perform mandatory military service. Also, Ukrainians who have immigrated to the U.S. without obtaining the proper exit visa from Ukrainian authorities may be subject to civil or criminal penalties, and will be required to obtain an exit visa before returning to the U.S.

                              Under Ukrainian law, police are permitted to stop anyone for any reason and check his or her identification documents (the only two such documents police will recognize are passports and immigration cards, which foreign visitors are required to carry at all times). Ukrainian police may check foreigners' passports to verify their legal presence in Ukraine. Police are further permitted to detain anyone for up to 72 hours without formal charges.

                              --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              > Bob Koshman wrote:
                              >
                              > > Do you mean...does Russia mean to protect Russians it
                              > > forcibley put into eastern Ukraine, (during the last soviet,
                              > > 50 year period)......and this gives Russia the right to
                              > > interfere in Ukrainian politics today.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > as Steve said,,,,,,,,,good joke!!!!!!.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Bob
                              >
                              > ********
                              >
                              > Hello Bob,
                              >
                              > I do not quite understand your rhetorical observations and questions?
                              >
                              > Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. there are no citizens of Russia residing in Ukraine today:
                              >
                              >
                              > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html
                              >
                              >
                              > http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-166272088/dual-citizenship-laws-ukraine.html
                              >
                              > http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_europe/2009-04-30/667060040949.html
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Therefore, if some nation wants to invade Ukraine, Russia would have no legal basis to stop that nation from invading Ukraine.
                              >
                              >
                              > Many citizens of South Ossetia also have Russian citizenship, so therefore, when Georgia invaded South Ossetia, Russia repelled the aggressor Georgian government to protect the Russian citizens who resided in South Ossetia.
                              >
                              > ________
                              >
                              > Lavrentiy
                              >









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                            • Bob Koshman
                              Laurence Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine, and especially in eastern
                              Message 14 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                Laurence



                                Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine, and especially in eastern Ukraine, in order to assimilate the Ukr population to become Russian.?



                                Bringing up the citizenship factor, is ludicrous.

                                Bob



                                To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
                                From: Lkrupnak@...
                                Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:47:36 +0000
                                Subject: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: A washingtonpost.com article from: stevezerkis@...






                                Bob Koshman wrote:

                                > Do you mean...does Russia mean to protect Russians it
                                > forcibley put into eastern Ukraine, (during the last soviet,
                                > 50 year period)......and this gives Russia the right to
                                > interfere in Ukrainian politics today.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > as Steve said,,,,,,,,,good joke!!!!!!.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Bob

                                ********

                                Hello Bob,

                                I do not quite understand your rhetorical observations and questions?

                                Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship, i.e. there are no citizens of Russia residing in Ukraine today:

                                http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1053.html

                                http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-166272088/dual-citizenship-laws-ukraine.html

                                http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_europe/2009-04-30/667060040949.html

                                Therefore, if some nation wants to invade Ukraine, Russia would have no legal basis to stop that nation from invading Ukraine.

                                Many citizens of South Ossetia also have Russian citizenship, so therefore, when Georgia invaded South Ossetia, Russia repelled the aggressor Georgian government to protect the Russian citizens who resided in South Ossetia.

                                ________

                                Lavrentiy









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                              • Laurence
                                ... No ... It is not ludicrous. I was informing you that they are now Ukrainian citizens. A majority of the people that reside in South Ossetia are also
                                Message 15 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                  Bob Koshman wrote:

                                  > Laurence

                                  > Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times
                                  > in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine,
                                  > and especially in eastern Ukraine, in order to assimilate
                                  > the Ukr population to become Russian?


                                  No


                                  > Bringing up the citizenship factor, is ludicrous.



                                  It is not ludicrous. I was informing you that they are now Ukrainian citizens. A majority of the people that reside in South Ossetia are also citizens of Russia.


                                  Russia has never asserted that Russian citizens reside in Ukraine, other than those permitted to do so by the Ukrainian govenment (e.g. Russian citizens in Ukraine by work, tourist, student visa, etc.).


                                  > Bob


                                  ______

                                  Lavrentiy
                                • Laurence
                                  ... Nothing. I found those facts interesting in websites which discuss that Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship. We were discussing whether
                                  Message 16 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                    Bob Koshman wrote:

                                    > !!!!!!!??????????,,,,,,,,,,What are you talking about?????????? or should I ask what are you smoking???????????????
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Your reply is way off topic,,,,,,,way out in left field,,,,,,,,,actually right out of the ballpark??????
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > What has travel got to do with Russian aggression?



                                    Nothing. I found those facts interesting in websites which discuss that Ukraine does not recognize dual citizenship. We were discussing whether "Russians" resided in Ukraine. I guess my mind is ahead of you. I need to dumb-down abit when we discuss things. ;-)




                                    > Please, focus to the topic.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Bob

                                    _______

                                    Lavrentiy
                                  • Bob Koshman
                                    I am not denying they are now Ukr citizens. Convenient for Putin, to put internal pressure in Ukraine, by getting support from Moscow. You brought up the
                                    Message 17 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                      I am not denying they are now Ukr citizens. Convenient for Putin, to put internal pressure in Ukraine, by getting support from Moscow.



                                      You brought up the citizenship issue.



                                      To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: Lkrupnak@...
                                      Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:34:22 +0000
                                      Subject: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: A washingtonpost.com article from: stevezerkis@...







                                      Bob Koshman wrote:

                                      > Laurence

                                      > Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times
                                      > in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine,
                                      > and especially in eastern Ukraine, in order to assimilate
                                      > the Ukr population to become Russian?

                                      No

                                      > Bringing up the citizenship factor, is ludicrous.

                                      It is not ludicrous. I was informing you that they are now Ukrainian citizens. A majority of the people that reside in South Ossetia are also citizens of Russia.

                                      Russia has never asserted that Russian citizens reside in Ukraine, other than those permitted to do so by the Ukrainian govenment (e.g. Russian citizens in Ukraine by work, tourist, student visa, etc.).

                                      > Bob

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                                    • Damareisv
                                      Larry, A better question is when will Russia send aid to South Ossetia that it promised. After all, Russia invaded South Ossetia and made it into its
                                      Message 18 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                        Larry,

                                        A better question is when will Russia send aid to South Ossetia that it promised. After all, Russia invaded South Ossetia and made it into its satellite and has promised substanial amounts of aid. South Ossetian government officials are complaining that the aid is not being received. For further information you can contact Russian Ambassador Kislyak at 202 298 5700.

                                        As far as aid from the US, you live in Maryland so ask your member of Congress what he is doing to get aid to South Ossetia. Would you like his name and phone number?

                                        Steve Zerkis





                                        --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Steve,
                                        >
                                        > When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:
                                        >
                                        > http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > _____________
                                        >
                                        > Lavrentiy
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Steve,
                                        > >
                                        > > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                                        > >
                                        > > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                                        > >
                                        > > ________
                                        > >
                                        > > Lavrentiy
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Steve Zerkis
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Steve,
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                                        > > > > _____
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Lavrentiy
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
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                                      • Damareisv
                                        Larry, does Russia have a treaty with Ukraine regarding dual citizenship? If so, thenRussian citizens could also be russian federation citizens. I m
                                        Message 19 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                          Larry, does Russia have a treaty with Ukraine regarding dual citizenship? If so, thenRussian citizens could also be russian federation citizens. I'm referring to the Russian Law of Citizenship dated February 6, 1992 which states in part": DUAL CITIZENSHIP: RECOGNIZED. a Russian federation citizen may be permitted, on petition, to be in simultaneous citizenship with another state with which the Russian Federation has a pertinent treaty."

                                          Steve








                                          --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Bob Koshman wrote:
                                          >
                                          > > Laurence
                                          >
                                          > > Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times
                                          > > in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine,
                                          > > and especially in eastern Ukraine, in order to assimilate
                                          > > the Ukr population to become Russian?
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > No
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > > Bringing up the citizenship factor, is ludicrous.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > It is not ludicrous. I was informing you that they are now Ukrainian citizens. A majority of the people that reside in South Ossetia are also citizens of Russia.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > Russia has never asserted that Russian citizens reside in Ukraine, other than those permitted to do so by the Ukrainian govenment (e.g. Russian citizens in Ukraine by work, tourist, student visa, etc.).
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > > Bob
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ______
                                          >
                                          > Lavrentiy
                                          >
                                        • Damareisv
                                          Correction of a mis-type.
                                          Message 20 of 24 , Oct 5, 2009
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                                            Correction of a mis-type.

                                            --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Larry, does Russia have a treaty with Ukraine regarding dual citizenship? If so, then Russian federation citizens could also be Ukrainian citizens. I'm referring to the Russian Law of Citizenship dated February 6, 1992 which states in part": DUAL CITIZENSHIP: RECOGNIZED. a Russian federation citizen may be permitted, on petition, to be in simultaneous citizenship with another state with which the Russian Federation has a pertinent treaty."
                                            >
                                            > Steve
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Bob Koshman wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > > Laurence
                                            > >
                                            > > > Are you denying the fact that Russia, during soviet times
                                            > > > in Ukraine, transferred and settled Russians into Ukraine,
                                            > > > and especially in eastern Ukraine, in order to assimilate
                                            > > > the Ukr population to become Russian?
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > No
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > Bringing up the citizenship factor, is ludicrous.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > It is not ludicrous. I was informing you that they are now Ukrainian citizens. A majority of the people that reside in South Ossetia are also citizens of Russia.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Russia has never asserted that Russian citizens reside in Ukraine, other than those permitted to do so by the Ukrainian govenment (e.g. Russian citizens in Ukraine by work, tourist, student visa, etc.).
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > Bob
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ______
                                            > >
                                            > > Lavrentiy
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • Laurence
                                            Steve, Where is your reference that South Ossetian officials are complaining that Russia is not providing aid? Here s a brief summary of Ossetian s
                                            Message 21 of 24 , Oct 6, 2009
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                                              Steve,

                                              Where is your reference that South Ossetian officials are complaining that Russia is not providing aid?




                                              Here's a brief summary of Ossetian's relationship with Russia:

                                              The Ossetians are believed to be descended from tribes which migrated into the area from Asia many hundreds of years ago and settled in what is now North Ossetia.

                                              As the Russian empire expanded into the area in the 18th and 19th centuries,


                                              the Ossetians did not join other peoples of the North Caucasus in putting up fierce resistance. Some fought alongside the Russians against neighbours who had long been rivals, while others made the difficult journey south across the mountains to escape.

                                              By tradition, the Ossetians have had good relations with Russians and were regarded as loyal citizens, first of the Russian empire and later of the Soviet Union. They sided with the Kremlin when Bolshevik forces occupied Georgia in the early 1920s and, as part of the carve-up which followed, the South Ossetian Autonomous Region was created in Georgia and North Ossetia was formed in Russia.


                                              http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/country_profiles/3797729.stm



                                              South Ossetians do not want to be associated with Georgia anymore.


                                              Russian aid pours into South Ossetia:

                                              On the controlled crossing between the Russian republics of Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia, a column of trucks about a mile and a half (2 km.) long stands on the side of the road, ready to roll south and piled high with aid and construction supplies. More than 1,000 Chechen construction workers, no strangers to rebuilding destroyed cities, are also helping to repair the city. "They tell us that the money will come from South Ossetia," says Aslan Abubakarov, 23, a planning and research specialist at the government construction agency Chechen-Stoi. "But the money from South Ossetia comes from the Central Bank of Russia."

                                              Moscow has been fighting to win the hearts and minds of South Ossetians for years, first by supplying Russian peacekeepers after South Ossetia's first war for independence in the early 1990s and then by giving South Ossetians Russian passports. But Russia truly won the fight for loyalty on Aug. 28, when Moscow recognized the tiny republic's independence. Signs reading "Ossetia is thankful to Russia" and "Thank you Russia!" have appeared all along the road heading north into Russia, though, suspiciously, they all appear painted with the same red paint and seem written by the same person.



                                              http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1839109,00.html

                                              *********

                                              VLADIKAVKAZ, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - On the anniversary of the start of the Russia-Georgia war President Dmitry Medvedev said that Moscow would continue to provide South Ossetia with social and economic aid, as well as military assistance.

                                              "Russia will assist you in everything from the economic and social point of view. We of course will even provide aid for military issues, because without military assistance there will be more problems," Medvedev said at a meeting with South Ossetians.

                                              Some 162 civilians and 67 Russian service personnel, including peacekeepers, were killed when Georgia attacked the former Georgian republic of South Ossetia last August. Russia reacted swiftly expelling Georgian troops from the region and subsequently recognized both South Ossetia and Abkhazia, another former Georgian republic.

                                              Talking about his recent visit to Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, Medvedev said "There are signs of new life - new homes, schools. Of course, a year won't solve everything, but the most important thing is there is a future."

                                              Russia has allocated some 10 billion rubles ($321 million) to South Ossetia for projects to rebuild infrastructure destroyed during the August war.

                                              Medvedev also said that Russia's operation to force Georgia to peace did not complicate foreign relations.

                                              "In the end [the operation] did not complicate our relations with other countries... for one simple reason whatever anyone says, everyone, in actual fact, is fully aware that the truth was on our side," he announced.

                                              "Russia was in the right from the legal and moral standpoint," Medvedev said during an award ceremony for veterans from the South Ossetian conflict in the southern Russian city of Vladikavkaz.


                                              http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090808/155761467.html



                                              _______

                                              Lavrentiy






                                              Steve Zerkis wrote:


                                              > Larry,
                                              >
                                              > A better question is when will Russia send aid to South Ossetia that it promised. After all, Russia invaded South Ossetia and made it into its satellite and has promised substanial amounts of aid. South Ossetian government officials are complaining that the aid is not being received. For further information you can contact Russian Ambassador Kislyak at 202 298 5700.
                                              >
                                              > As far as aid from the US, you live in Maryland so ask your member of Congress what he is doing to get aid to South Ossetia. Would you like his name and phone number?
                                              >
                                              > Steve Zerkis
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Steve,
                                              > >
                                              > > When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:
                                              > >
                                              > > http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > _____________
                                              > >
                                              > > Lavrentiy
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Steve,
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ________
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Lavrentiy
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Steve Zerkis
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Steve,
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                                              > > > > > _____
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Lavrentiy
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                                              > > > > > >
                                              > > > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
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                                            • Laurence
                                              Steve, did you know it takes time to do things? Ask the people and city govenment of New Orleans. _______ Lavrentiy
                                              Message 22 of 24 , Oct 6, 2009
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                                                Steve, did you know it takes time to do things?


                                                Ask the people and city govenment of New Orleans.


                                                _______

                                                Lavrentiy




                                                --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Larry,
                                                >
                                                > A better question is when will Russia send aid to South Ossetia that it promised. After all, Russia invaded South Ossetia and made it into its satellite and has promised substanial amounts of aid. South Ossetian government officials are complaining that the aid is not being received. For further information you can contact Russian Ambassador Kislyak at 202 298 5700.
                                                >
                                                > As far as aid from the US, you live in Maryland so ask your member of Congress what he is doing to get aid to South Ossetia. Would you like his name and phone number?
                                                >
                                                > Steve Zerkis
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Steve,
                                                > >
                                                > > When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:
                                                > >
                                                > > http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > _____________
                                                > >
                                                > > Lavrentiy
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Steve,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ________
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Lavrentiy
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Steve Zerkis
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Steve,
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                                                > > > > > _____
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Lavrentiy
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
                                                > > > > > >
                                                > > > > > >
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                                              • Damareisv
                                                Larry, Of course it takes time to do things, and yes I know that, do you? But lets remember you brought up the issue. If Russia, who shares a common border
                                                Message 23 of 24 , Oct 6, 2009
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                                                  Larry,

                                                  Of course it takes time to do things, and yes I know that, do you? But lets remember you brought up the issue. If Russia, who shares a common border with South Ossetia, can't move quickly to help this area they invaded and have troops in today, then why are you complaining about not enough aid from the US, Ukraine and Poland and other countries? The Russian army has even barred convoys of aid from entering South Ossetia.

                                                  Unfortunately the people in South Ossetia are the ones who will suffer through a second winter with hundreds of smashed houses and factories that have not been repaired while Russia makes promises they don't fulfill.

                                                  Atleast New Orleans was not invaded by the Russian Army.

                                                  Steve Zerkis






                                                  --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Steve, did you know it takes time to do things?
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > Ask the people and city govenment of New Orleans.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > _______
                                                  >
                                                  > Lavrentiy
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Larry,
                                                  > >
                                                  > > A better question is when will Russia send aid to South Ossetia that it promised. After all, Russia invaded South Ossetia and made it into its satellite and has promised substanial amounts of aid. South Ossetian government officials are complaining that the aid is not being received. For further information you can contact Russian Ambassador Kislyak at 202 298 5700.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > As far as aid from the US, you live in Maryland so ask your member of Congress what he is doing to get aid to South Ossetia. Would you like his name and phone number?
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Steve Zerkis
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Steve,
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > When will the US, Ukraine, Poland and other countries send aid to help the South Ossetian people?:
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > http://rt.tv/Top_News/2009-10-01/west-sending-aid-ossetia.html
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > _____________
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > Lavrentiy
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > >
                                                  > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Steve,
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Way back in 2004 Russia said:
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Russia will protect its citizens living in Georgia’s breakaway region. "Russia is concerned over the fate of Russian citizens, who comprise an overwhelming majority of the South Ossetian population. We will protect their interests and security."
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=7378
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > In August 2009 Saakashvili found out that Russia wasn't joking.
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > ________
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > Lavrentiy
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > >
                                                  > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Damareisv" <stevezerkis@> wrote:
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Laurence, in an earlier posting you asked me to "find jokes you can have fun with". I'm glad to see you found a good joke for us to laugh at with you. "Russia will protect......". that is truly funny. Good job.
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > Steve Zerkis
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence" <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Steve,
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Russia will protect South Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgian aggression. South Ossetia and Abkhazia can't rely on the US and European nations to do so.
                                                  > > > > > > _____
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > Lavrentiy
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > --- In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, stevezerkis@ wrote:
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > You have been sent this message from stevezerkis@ as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Putin Visits Breakaway Georgian Region, Unveils Plan for Military Base
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > By Philip P. Pan
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > MOSCOW, Aug. 12 -- Prime Minister Vladimir Putin traveled to the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia on Wednesday and pledged to strengthen Russia's military presence there, defying U.S. and European objections amid simmering tensions in the region.
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202107.html?referrer=emailarticle
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > >
                                                  > > > > > > > Would you like to send this article to a friend? Go to
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                                                  > > > > > > >
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