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  • Dick Mann
    Hi Lolly: Sorry for the delay in replying. I googled Soviet war graves & similar phrases & didn t come up with a hit that lists war graves or prisoner of
    Message 1 of 65 , Jan 31 11:43 PM
      Hi Lolly:

      Sorry for the delay in replying. I googled "Soviet war graves" &
      similar phrases & didn't come up with a hit that lists war graves or
      prisoner of war graves for Soviet soldiers. The only site that may be
      of interest but doesn't provide any information about individuals, is
      at http://tinyurl.com/2qm6xj. It's captioned "Soviet and German
      Prisoners of War and Internees. Studies of the War and Post-War Periods"

      Quote:
      "The primary objective of the research project is to identify Soviet
      prisoners of war held in Germany and in its occupied territories, and
      to catalogue the pertinent documents based on the files of the former
      German Army information office, which were removed to the Soviet Union
      by the Red Army in 1945, and which have been inaccessible until recently.

      To date, records of some 60,000 Soviet prisoners of war (most of them
      officers) have been processed to yield 60,000 database entries and
      some 200,000 digital images of the original documents. Records of over
      800,000 noncommissioned officers and enlisted personnel remain to be
      processed in the coming years."

      There is no publication year indicated but the project is scheduled to
      continue until 2010.

      Another interesting hit that came out of my searches is
      http://www.muzeum.tarnow.pl/judaica/jewish.html, entitled "Jewish War
      Cemeteries in Western Galicia". It discusses the burial of Jewish
      soldiers who fought in WWI.

      Dick

      --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, Lolly Kozak
      <lolky95@...> wrote:
      >
      > Oh dear,oh dear!!
      > What have I done? All I asked is how I could find out where the
      Soviet prisoners from Stalag VIIIF might be buried.
      > I sure didn't mean to cause all this .....ending with Lavrentyi's
      'funeral'.
      > To top it off, I still didn't get an answer!!
      > Lolly
    • Lolly Kozak
      I got a reply from the Museum at Lambinowice saying they had no information as to the burial place of Soviet prisoners of war. I find this reply rather
      Message 65 of 65 , Feb 7, 2008
        I got a reply from the Museum at Lambinowice saying they had no information as to the burial place of Soviet prisoners of war. I find this reply rather puzzling after reading this on their web-site(www.cmjw.pl) via Poltran translation:

        Przekr�j historycznyTragincza historia �ambinowic (do ko�ca II wojny �wiatowej Lamsdorf) si�ga lat siedemdziesi�tych XIX w. Ju� podczas wojny prusko-francuskiej zosta� tu zorganizowany ob�z dla je�cow francuskich. Przetrzymywano w nim rownie� je�cow w latach I wojny �wiatowej. W latach mi�dzywojennych pe�ni� rol� obozu przesiedle�czego. W czasie II wojny �wiatowej w�adze hitlerowskie utworzy�y tu jeden z najwi�kszych zespo��w oboz�w jenieckich. Po wojnie w �ambinowicach znajdowa� si� ob�z pracy dla Niemoc�w przesiedlonych p��niej w g��b Niemiec oraz Niemcow podejrzanych o przynale�no�� do organizacji hitlerowskich. Wielu z ludzi izolowanych w �ambinowicach zmar�o. Wi�kszo�� z nich zosta�a pochowana w zbiorowych b�d� pojedynczych mogi�ach na trzech cmentarzach wojennych.Miejsce pami�ci w �ambinowicach istnieje od roku 1968. W tym roku cmentarze oraz tereny by�ych oboz�w jenieckich znajduj�ce sie w �ambinowicach zosta�y wpisane do rejestru zabytk�w i uznane za Pomnik Pamieci Narodowej. W 2002 r. staraniem Centralnego Muzeum Je�cow Wojennych w �ambinowicach-Opolu nast�pi�y zmiany w nazewnictwie i obszarze tego miejsca. W jego granice zosta� w��czony teren po obozie pracy w �ambinowicach (1945-1946). Ca�y obszar nazwano Miejscem Pami�ci Narodowej. Obecnie tworz� je cmentarze wojenne (tj.:Stary Cmentarz Jeniecki, Cmentarz Je�c�w Radzieckich i Cmentarz Ofiar Obozu Pracy w �ambinowicach) oraz pozostalo�ci zabudowy obozowej. Wszystkie znajduj� si� wzdlu� tzw. Drogi Pami�ci, najistotniejszego fragmentu historycznej przestrzeni �ambinowic, kt�ry obejmuje zachowane, a tak�e zrekonstruowane obiekty.
        the translation has a reference to Soviet prisoners of war;
        "Whole area call place of national memory. War cemeteries build (create) it (them) presently ( cemetery tj.:Stary Jeniecki, cemetery of soviet prisoner of war and cemetery of donation of (victim of) labor camp in (to) ) �ambinowicach and building camp pozostalo�ci."

        Any idea why the Museum would tell me that they had no knowledge of the Soviet prisoners of war when their website seems to say otherwise? " Unfortunately in CMJW archiv haven`t informations about Russian Prisoners of War."

        They recommended that I contact the Red Cross, as did Danuta, so now I have done that and will wait for the next installment of 'Where are soviet prisoners of war buried?' I just know you are all waiting on the edge of your chairs!!

        Have a good day Lolly


        To: Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.comFrom: sandlily@...: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:30:28 -0600Subject: Re: [Galicia_Poland-Ukraine] Re: Stalag location




        Witaj, Lolly,If you know the names of your family members that you are searching, the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva, Switzerland would be another organization to contact. You will have to complete the form and in the the box "Other Information" write a detailed explanation. The response time may not be that quick, but they will respond. http://www.icrc.org/eng/contact-archivesMy other suggestion is that you telephone the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, and they may provide you with additional information where to write for your requests.Hours of contactYou can call the office at the following times and we will do everything we can to help.Monday to Thursday: 8.30am to 5pmFriday: 8.30am to 4.30pmClosed Saturdays and Sundays.Main switchboard: For all general enquiries except those belowPhone: 01628 634221(If you are calling from outside the United Kingdom,phone +44 (0)1628 634221)Fax: 01628 771208Or, you can contact the following sections.Enquiries section: for all information about casualties, cemeteries and memorialsPhone: 01628 507200(If you are calling from outside the United Kingdom,phone +44 (0)1628 507200)Fax: 01628 771208Pozdrawiam,Danuta----- Original Message ----- From: Lolly Kozak To: galicia_poland-ukraine@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:37 PMSubject: RE: [Galicia_Poland-Ukraine] Re: Stalag locationHi Dick and Danuta;First, my email to Jack Clegg yielded a ' you must have the wrong email' so that's a dead end.Secondly, the tiny url in your email, Dick, gave an error message. It sounds like the info you found is the same as what I got from www.stevemorse.org which is the release of data on Soviet prisoners. I have written to the Lambinowice Museum so if and when they reply, I hope to get some answers. The site is Polish so they may not reply to my English inquiry with a Poltran translation. The site is http://www.cmjw.pl/Thanks for your efforts LollyTo: Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.comFrom: mann_r_s@...: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:43:49 +0000Subject: [Galicia_Poland-Ukraine] Re: Stalag locationHi Lolly:Sorry for the delay in replying. I googled "Soviet war graves" &similar phrases & didn't come up with a hit that lists war graves orprisoner of war graves for Soviet soldiers. The only site that may beof interest but doesn't provide any information about individuals, isat http://tinyurl.com/2qm6xj. It's captioned "Soviet and GermanPrisoners of War and Internees. Studies of the War and Post-War Periods"Quote:"The primary objective of the research project is to identify Sovietprisoners of war held in Germany and in its occupied territories, andto catalogue the pertinent documents based on the files of the formerGerman Army information office, which were removed to the Soviet Unionby the Red Army in 1945, and which have been inaccessible until recently.To date, records of some 60,000 Soviet prisoners of war (most of themofficers) have been processed to yield 60,000 database entries andsome 200,000 digital images of the original documents. Records of over800,000 noncommissioned officers and enlisted personnel remain to beprocessed in the coming years."There is no publication year indicated but the project is scheduled tocontinue until 2010.Another interesting hit that came out of my searches ishttp://www.muzeum.tarnow.pl/judaica/jewish.html, entitled "Jewish WarCemeteries in Western Galicia". It discusses the burial of Jewishsoldiers who fought in WWI.Dick--- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, Lolly Kozak<lolky95@...> wrote:>> Oh dear,oh dear!!> What have I done? All I asked is how I could find out where theSoviet prisoners from Stalag VIIIF might be buried.> I sure didn't mean to cause all this .....ending with Lavrentyi's'funeral'.> To top it off, I still didn't get an answer!! > Lolly __________________________________________________________[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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