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44776RE: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] RE: Jefferson Davis and Poles in France

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  • cshpy
    Oct 28, 2013
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      You're right about Britain & France (also a few others). These nations have a longer history of border changes & wars. With this, the sense to avoid sticking their noses into the affairs of another nation's business - a bit of wisdom that the US still has not learned as a nation.


      Of interest in Europe, notably so for those doing genealogy research in Europe is the 'moving map' of border changes in Europe over the past thousand years.....


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y46sZQQeEaY




      ---In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, <galiciapoland-ukraine@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      
      Hello CShpy,
       
         Regarding the Emancipation Proclamation, it was also a foreign affairs statement:
       

      Britain and France had considered supporting the Confederacy in order to expand their influence in the Western Hemisphere. However, many Europeans were against slavery. Although some in the United Kingdom saw the Emancipation Proclamation as overly limited and reckless, Lincoln's directive reinforced the shift of the international political mood against intervention while the Union victory at Antietam further disturbed those who didn't want to intervene on the side of a lost cause. 

       

      The above from: http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/emancipation-150/10-facts.html

       

      http://usforeignpolicy.about.com/od/introtoforeignpolicy/a/Emancipation-Proclamation-Was-Also-Foreign-Policy.htm

       

       

      The Poles in France supported the Confederacy because they hoped that the CSA would help them gain the liberation of Poland from Russia, Prussia and Austria.

       

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      Lavrentiy

       

       

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      Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:54 PM
      Subject: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] RE: Jefferson Davis and Poles in France

       

      In Lincoln's inaugural address, he stated that he had no legal recourse to interfere with the institution of slavery and had no inclination to do so. He wrote several letters to Horace Greely, editor of the New York Tribune. In one. just prior to his death, he stated that his Emancipation Proclamation was a 'war measure' designed to cause slave insurrections in the south to get the southern soldiers off the battlefields and go home to protect their own property and loved ones. It was a complete failure due to the devotion of the slaves in the south to their owners.

      Also of interest, was the quote of Ulysees S Grant, to the effect of if he thought the war was over slavery he would have taken up his sword and gone to the other side. This was the general that Robert E Lee surrendered to. Grant owned slaves and only gave them up 8 months after the death of lincoln when he was forced to by the passing of the 13th amendment.

      The problem with history where wars are concerned, is that it is written by the winning sides. No winners of a war are going to reveal the despicable methods that they used to win. Also, just because one side wins a war that does not mean that what they were fighting for was right....it only means they won the war.

      Jefferson Davis in his 2 years of imprisonment made several requests to be tried for his 'so called crimes'. All of them were rejected, because the US senate and Congress knew he would be able to vindicate himself and the CSA in such a trial. He was queitly eventualy released in very poor health.


      As far as blacks in the south go here is a very good website revealing whate the northern written history books don't want you to know...


      http://blackconfederates.blogspot.com/




      ---In GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, <galiciapoland-ukraine@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

      
       
       
      12 Years A Slave:
       
       
       
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      Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:57 AM
      Subject: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Jefferson Davis and Poles in France

       

      

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      The irony is that the CSA was a government which supported the brutal enslavement of a ceratin class of people:
       
       
      12 Years a Slave:
       
       
       
       o Poles in France to Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate
      States of America (CSA)

      We will help you if you will help us gain our freedom.

      o  Lincoln's best international friend was Tsar Alexander II.

      http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN3/

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      Lavrentiy
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