41427Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather from Busk Galicia
- Sep 1, 2012Jim,
I think the website that I had first posted had the terms and or translations screwed up.
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>Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:27:16 -0600
>From: "jim" <jsau@...>
>Subject: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather from Busk Galicia
> I'm just thinking that it's awfully coincidental
> that Busk is a Scandinavian name and also a town in
> Ukraine and that the Vikings had an historical
> prescence in Ukraine. According to the link Laurence
> sent the town of Busk was on a crossroads and
> involved in trading - ideal spot for the Vikings to
> encounter. Either there are separate words in both
> Ukrainian and Scandinavian that are the same word
> (Busk) and mean different things, or else, is it
> possible the Ukrainian town of Busk was so named
> because Viking traders in the past gave it it's name
> or else "lent" the word Busk to the Ukrainian
> language? There are many examples in other languages
> of words that have their derivations from other
> languages - English is full of words derived from
> other languages.
> Are their any words in Ukrainian that are similarly
> derived from other languages?
> Jim Sauchyn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Stamm
> To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather
> from Busk Galicia
> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, <lkrupnak@...>
> <lkrupnak@...> wrote:
> > Busk:
> > The name 'Busk' comes from the west Ukrainian word
> 'busko' which
> > means 'crane'. Appropriately, the heraldic crest
> of the town is a
> > white stork on a blue shield and the stork is the
> town symbol.
> How is this appropriate? Cranes and storks are
> different animals.
> I'm not trying to show off or cause trouble
> (although that is usually
> more fun), but to learn a little more about name
> Could "busko" be defined as "a bird that looks like
> a crane"? Could
> the word have been given to the sight,
> notwithstanding the ignorance
> of the observer? Could the town and the bird have
> been named after
> the crane because the Vikings had no word for the
> stork? I could go
> on. Answers to these subtleties can sometimes be
> important in
> tracking genealogical migrations and surname
> assignments and changes.
> I invite hypotheses just like Jim's excellent
> suggestion. I wouldn't
> expect answers to my questions to be in the
> literature. We usually
> rely on classical references, but those sources
> quite often are the
> result of a single conclusion, and they are passed
> on ad infinitum.
> It's possible that if the author of Larry's
> reference had known about
> Jim's idea, he may have published a totally
> different conclusion.
> Those classical guys didn't have the benefit of any
> forum to
> investigate multiple hypotheses.
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