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41427Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather from Busk Galicia

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  • lkrupnak@rcn.com
    Sep 1, 2012
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      Jim,

      I think the website that I had first posted had the terms and or translations screwed up.

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      Lavrentiy



      ---- Original message ----
      >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 13:27:16 -0600
      >From: "jim" <jsau@...>
      >Subject: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather from Busk Galicia
      >To: <GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com>
      >
      >
      >
      > I'm just thinking that it's awfully coincidental
      > that Busk is a Scandinavian name and also a town in
      > Ukraine and that the Vikings had an historical
      > prescence in Ukraine. According to the link Laurence
      > sent the town of Busk was on a crossroads and
      > involved in trading - ideal spot for the Vikings to
      > encounter. Either there are separate words in both
      > Ukrainian and Scandinavian that are the same word
      > (Busk) and mean different things, or else, is it
      > possible the Ukrainian town of Busk was so named
      > because Viking traders in the past gave it it's name
      > or else "lent" the word Busk to the Ukrainian
      > language? There are many examples in other languages
      > of words that have their derivations from other
      > languages - English is full of words derived from
      > other languages.
      > Are their any words in Ukrainian that are similarly
      > derived from other languages?
      > Jim Sauchyn
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Jim Stamm
      > To: GaliciaPoland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2012 12:00 PM
      > Subject: Re: [GaliciaPoland-Ukraine] Re: Grandfather
      > from Busk Galicia
      >
      > On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, <lkrupnak@...>
      > <lkrupnak@...> wrote:
      >
      > >
      > > Busk:
      > >
      > > The name 'Busk' comes from the west Ukrainian word
      > 'busko' which
      > > means 'crane'. Appropriately, the heraldic crest
      > of the town is a
      > > white stork on a blue shield and the stork is the
      > town symbol.
      > >
      >
      > How is this appropriate? Cranes and storks are
      > different animals.
      > I'm not trying to show off or cause trouble
      > (although that is usually
      > more fun), but to learn a little more about name
      > derivation.
      >
      > Could "busko" be defined as "a bird that looks like
      > a crane"? Could
      > the word have been given to the sight,
      > notwithstanding the ignorance
      > of the observer? Could the town and the bird have
      > been named after
      > the crane because the Vikings had no word for the
      > stork? I could go
      > on. Answers to these subtleties can sometimes be
      > important in
      > tracking genealogical migrations and surname
      > assignments and changes.
      >
      > I invite hypotheses just like Jim's excellent
      > suggestion. I wouldn't
      > expect answers to my questions to be in the
      > literature. We usually
      > rely on classical references, but those sources
      > quite often are the
      > result of a single conclusion, and they are passed
      > on ad infinitum.
      > It's possible that if the author of Larry's
      > reference had known about
      > Jim's idea, he may have published a totally
      > different conclusion.
      > Those classical guys didn't have the benefit of any
      > forum to
      > investigate multiple hypotheses.
      >
      > -Jim
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