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  • ladyguilford
    Feb 27, 2008
      A postscript to an old exchange (2nd August 2007). The page from the
      1869 Hungarian census for the village of Havranec is right there in
      the archives in Presov. Bingo! 12 houses in 1869. 12 houses in
      2007.

      --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "krupniak"
      <Lkrupnak@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > Forgive off the subject posts...I have chronic eye dryness.
      Laughter
      > helps me produce natural tears.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "krupniak"
      > <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Right...that's what I like about genealogy/family history. It's
      > more
      > > than just collecting names...it's finding unique things about
      > people
      > > and our families...and most people are "odd" Godf gave to each
      of
      > us
      > > a unique feature..finding that is fun.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Guilford"
      > > <sandra.guilford@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > In fact, finding out what things happened is half the fun of
      > > genealogical
      > > > research!
      > > >
      > > > On 02/08/07, krupniak <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Yes ... things happen.
      > > > >
      > > > > Carpenters' motto is "measure twice ... cut once". I know many
      > > > > carpenters that comply, but look at their work.
      > > > >
      > > > > _______
      > > > >
      > > > > Lavrentiy
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com<Galicia_Poland-
      > > Ukraine%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > > "Sandra Guilford"
      > > > > <sandra.guilford@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I have contacted him. He has put the question about the
      stray
      > > page
      > > > > to
      > > > > > JewishGen and LDS and had no answer so far, save that
      nobody
      > has
      > > > > ever
      > > > > > reported such a problem before. Hard to believe! Many a
      slip
      > can
      > > > > happen
      > > > > > between picking up a pile of records and producing a
      > microfilm
      > > with
      > > > > every
      > > > > > page of records on it. The mind boggles!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > On 01/08/07, krupniak <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > .
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > You may find something similar to what this fellow found:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rusyns/message/16367
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > He never responded to questions so contact him and let us
      > know
      > > > > > > what he found.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > ____
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Lavrentiy
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > ladyguilford wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Yes, I have tried Kishollod. Nothing.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > In the very nearest village to the missing village,
      > Dolhany,
      > > > > there
      > > > > > > > are several people listed as having been born in
      > Gavranecz,
      > > so
      > > > > we
      > > > > > > > think that name was in use during that time. There is a
      > road
      > > > > that
      > > > > > > > goes through Dolhany (Dlhona)- 19 households, I recall -
      -
      > > and
      > > > > on to
      > > > > > > > Gavranecz and then stops. To go to Gavranecz or to come
      > out
      > > of
      > > > > it,
      > > > > > > > you have to pass through Dolhany. I have looked to see
      > > whether
      > > > > the
      > > > > > > > small number of households in Gavranecz were included
      with
      > > > > Dolhany:
      > > > > > > > they are not. In fact, I have looked at every village
      > > nearby,
      > > > > with
      > > > > > > no
      > > > > > > > luck.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > 30 years later, family members emigrated to the US,
      giving
      > > > > > > Gavranecz
      > > > > > > > as their most recent residence.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I have found that Gavranecz has been a filial church of
      > > Vapenik
      > > > > for
      > > > > > > a
      > > > > > > > very long time, including the time of the 1869 census.
      I
      > > have
      > > > > found
      > > > > > > > the church records for Vapenik, with lots of detail of
      > > marriages
      > > > > > > and
      > > > > > > > the rest in its filial churches, including Havranec and
      > > > > Belejoce,
      > > > > > > in
      > > > > > > > both of which villages I find Brudnyaks and Lelyos, the
      > > > > appropriate
      > > > > > > > ancestor families.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Where does that leave us? It is possible that by
      accident
      > > the
      > > > > > > > village simply did not get copied by the person who
      > > prepared the
      > > > > > > > microfilms for the LDS. If this is the case, I should
      > > expect to
      > > > > > > find
      > > > > > > > the census record either in Presov or Budapest. I have
      > made
      > > no
      > > > > > > > attempts in this direction, but I will get to that.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I am developing a mental picture of an exhausted census
      > > taker.
      > > > > It
      > > > > > > is
      > > > > > > > January 1870, and it is freezing cold and snowing in the
      > > > > Carpathian
      > > > > > > > Mountains. The wind is piling the snow into man-high
      > drifts.
      > > > > Census
      > > > > > > > taker Salomon Mihaly is hungry and ill, and he simply
      > > cannot or
      > > > > > > will
      > > > > > > > not go to the end of that road and then come back, for
      a
      > > crummy
      > > > > 9
      > > > > > > > houses. There is a huge tree fallen across the path and
      > he
      > > does
      > > > > > > not
      > > > > > > > have the energy to crawl around it. Maybe there is a
      wolf
      > in
      > > > > this
      > > > > > > > scenario. Ah... but would he get away with it? When he
      > gets
      > > back
      > > > > > > to
      > > > > > > > Budapest ..... But stop! There has to be a film in this.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > I'll try Hungarian Archives when I am finished with 19
      > other
      > > > > tasks,
      > > > > > > > including my pilgrimage to the dead village of Polany
      > > Surowicne.
      > > > > > > > Next month.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Thanks for the idea. Keep them coming!
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- In Galicia_Poland-
      > > Ukraine@yahoogroups.com<Galicia_Poland-Ukraine%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > <Galicia_Poland-
      > > > > Ukraine%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > > > > > > "krupniak"
      > > > > > > > <Lkrupnak@> wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > ladyguilford wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > > I have also of course been researching my
      grandfather
      > > > > Kushner's
      > > > > > > > > > wife's family, the Brudnyaks of Havranec, a little
      > > further
      > > > > west
      > > > > > > > but
      > > > > > > > > > still on the Slovakian side. Because Havranec is
      > > > > unaccountably
      > > > > > > > > > missing from the 1869 Hungarian census, I have
      looked
      > at
      > > > > quite
      > > > > > > a
      > > > > > > > > > number of neighbouring villages in more detail than
      > is
      > > good
      > > > > for
      > > > > > > > > > me.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Have you searched for Kishollod, which is the
      Hungarian
      > > place
      > > > > > > name?
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > ________
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Lavrentiy
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