10938Re: "Sabordash, Kiel Province, Russia"
- Sep 1 10:21 AMIf "Kiel" is abbreviated or truncated, then why not "Sabordash" as
well? If such is the case, then Zaborowice Duz~e located about 17
miles NNW of Kielce becomes a candidate. The fully restored
description would then read "Zaborowice Duz~e, Kielce Province,
--- In Galicia_Poland-Ukraine@yahoogroups.com, "wfhoffman"
>information on his
> Sylvia wrote:
> > I was trying to assist someone that has some incorrect
> > family.in Kielce
> > The information has, "Sabordash, Kiel Province, Russia".
> One possibility worth investigating is that this refers to a place
> gubernia (province), which was in Russian Poland. I can't think ofany other
> province of the Russian Empire with a name beginning Kiel-, andit's
> conceivable someone might have abbreviated "Kielce" as "Kiel." Ofcourse, if
> the place in question was in the Russian Empire, it couldn't havebeen in
> Galicia -- but Kielce gubernia did lie just north of the borderbetween
> Galicia and the Russian partition.however.
> I'm afraid the name of the place is still going to be a problem,
> "Sabordash" does not show up in any of my sources, and that form isnot
> viable as a Polish name. It's probably been mangled somewhere alongthe
> line. Phonetically it might be connected with a place namebeginning
> Zabrod-, but the "-ash" part is hard to account for.province"
> Obviously if the place name is way off, we can't assume the "Kiel
> part is reliable, either. But in my experience the names ofprovincial
> centers were less likely to be mangled past all recognition, simplybecause
> there weren't so many of them. With individual towns and villagesthere's no
> telling how badly they could be distorted; but more often than notyou can
> puzzle out the name of the province.worth
> Don't take my word for gospel, but I thought this was a suggestion
> making. The place you're looking for may not be in Russia at all,but rather
> in one of the former western provinces of the Russian Empire. Andof those
> provinces, Kielce is the best bet.
> Hope that helps a bit.
> Fred Hoffman
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