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Ethics in the Freezone

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  • amicalis1
    Hello, this is me, I am nothing but have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle
    Message 1 of 14 , Jun 4, 2008
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      Hello,

      this is me, I am nothing but have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you beware! be aware!

      They want you all to believe 2012 and the secret vectors that define an unalterable course for the world. The code name is CBR which stands for Captain Bill Ryan.

      If you wish to know visit: www.mgtconcepts.com/elronsorg/ethics

      there and following a few links you may be getting a new view of who is leading the fake OTs on secret orders from the invisible, secret government.

      Let's teach them a lesson dear Hubbardian or Post Hubbardian Galactically Responsible Woken up thetans, per the oldest rules in the Old Man's book:

      "Considerations are senior to mechanics" and

      "Reality is the agreed upon apparency of existence"

      love to your truths,

      Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,

      CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-ltd

       

    • Timecops
      Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to clear, OT-planet. Create and
      Message 2 of 14 , Jun 6, 2008
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        Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to clear, OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games by using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that  is your purpose too as Class IX. I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate scientology, scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this. Im proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.
        I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR, tech and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:

        TECH BRIEFING No 1


        Frankfurt, 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson

         

        It is important to understand what LRH did during the last 20 to 30 years. His main job was to develop, research and publish the technology. The other things he did, like starting the orgs and doing management and so on, were secondary. That was done as a necessary thing to protect the technology, and to keep it expanding. But he has stated many times, that when ever things got tough in the world, or if there was a big attack on Scientology, then he would always go back and finish the technical research for the next level, so that this new or later developments that he would find and put out, would keep people moving up the bridge, and they would therefore be better able to confront and handle whatever attacks were being made against Scientology.

        The last time that I have seen LRH personally, which was in the year 1980, in the fall, he had just completed the final technical development and research on the presentation of standard tech by film, by pictures, so it can never be altered by anyone in the future.

        It is very interesting to note, that those films are no longer available in the church. We are trying to get copies, but the excuses they give are, that the films show people who are declared, and that they are scratched, and some are damaged, and that „we don’t use them anymore“.

        Now, anyone of you that knows the HCO PL 17 Jun 70 „Technical Degrades“, will realize that this is the technical proof that LRH could not be behind RTC, because he would never have allowed anything that he developed to give exactly how the TRs and metering should be used, not to be used anymore. We are just talking about the technical side this time. In the years, that I worked with Ron, he explained to me a few times, what his main job in the research was. It was basically, he said, like going into a dark room, opening a door into a dark room, and trying to find a door at the other end. Without a light or a guidebook. He said the only thing he would go in with would be an E-Meter. As he would bump into things, or run into difficulties in the „room“ (or level) that he was researching, he would then have to find out, how he could get back to the door and start again with the E-Meter. And finally after exploring the various ways to get through this area, he would finally find the door at the other side, and could go into the next level.

        „Now, he said, the bulletins you see written, are the exact path through the room, there are many other things that could be written, but they are not the direct path through the room.“

        In the C/Sing of a level we find certain remedies and corrections, which help people get back to that path through the room, if they go off into the wrong direction. These are the correction programs and so on. You see that in various things like the green form, the resistive case bulletins, and the things handling various types of things on the GF 40 and other list actions, and so on. These exact things and some of the remedies, and some of the OT Correction handlings, when a case caves in, these are the various ways to get back on to that path.

        Now we have found out, that after 1980, when Ron did go off the lines (because he disappeared from the place where he was working at that time in California), that certain technical bulletins have appeared, but I happen to know, and so do many other technical terminals, that in the materials parts are written by LRH. Parts of them. Other parts are not written by him, these are parts of his research, they come from his research notes of the past, which he did not want to put into the levels, because they are not the direct path to the door. Alright, this is the reason, that in the Free Zone technical centers there are many Solo NOTs Completions, I think there are 20 to 30 right now, and so far in the church there is only one or maybe a few more, but they are only promoting, that there is one.

        We cannot analyze the church s technology anymore by the policy of Scientology, we can only analyze it by the emotion of greed in asking people „pay, pay, pay“ for more, to not go through the room, but wander around in it for d while until all the money is gone.

        I hope you understand this. That describes to you, what Ron went through to do the research to give you the bridge.

        His work day on the Flag Ship, when I was there for 6 to 7 years, that I observed him working was: every day in his whole schedule was approximately eight hours a day devoted to tech and eight hours devoted to handle management, admin and ships affairs. I never saw him work less than 16 hours a day in that six years, never saw him get a pay-check for the week of more than 80 dollars. I do know, that when we were ready to come to America and go off the ship, that if Ron had wanted to take all of the Sea Org reserve monies, which was at that time about a hundred million dollars (for the Sea Org, for the churches for making buildings and continuing expansion, that is what it is for), that if he wanted to go and disappear with all the money, that we would have said, „OK, fantastic, he has done a fantastic job“. But he didn’t do that. He went to America and carried on finishing the NOTs research and OT level research, and doing the films, the technical standard films, knowing already, that there were many, shall we say people, who in the United States were waiting to attack him and his family. This does not sound like the actions of a man who is operating on a basis of just money.

        The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that those people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family.

        The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the place on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be. Because anyone who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron s purpose on this planet.

        His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self determined and pan-determined and at cause again.

        Even the last possibility of a person remaining at effect was covered by LRH in the tech, where he said on the Class 8 course, „the last thing you will have to run out, the last thing, is your track of auditing, because, you realize, that from the definition of a thetan at cause, that whenever he is sitting in an auditing chair, no matter how good the auditing is by the auditor s code, which puts the PC at cause over his case, and helps him, he was still scheduled by the auditor, he was told to pick up the cans, told to start, and to end, and he was under control, though it is a control that is leading him in the direction of getting him free“, and Ron said, even that little bit of the person at effect has to be audited.

        So, auditing is not a trap, Scientology is not a trap, but it can be used as a trap, if the purpose of LRH is not followed.

        Now to that point I ask you if there are any questions about LRH or anything I have said, because now I tell you next about what we do in Frankfurt.

        Question from a person at the event: „There are many bulletins after 1980 like data about checking grades processes for reads and that sort of thing, now how do we know where ends the data?“

        I covered this point with several tech people in England and America between 1980 and 1982, and it was decided at that point (it is arbitrary of course, but it is a decision and it works), that we take the end of 1980, because that is the last time, we can be sure, that LRH was there and receiving any technical bulletins back and forth for OK, and his approval, and all these auditors that have audited some 20 years, and when done correctly, have great results with all the tech from before that, so there seems to be no reason to actually change it.

        Ron did that continuously, as he would get feed-back. You see, the Flagship was an experimental place also. Many of us that were on board, were asked, if we would volunteer to take part in research sessions.

        I might add to that point about the research, I told you before that Ron didn’t write the bulletins immediately after getting through the dark room himself, but would make sure that cases of all types, difficult cases or easy cases, or people that have gone up the bridge this way and that way, whatever, that old timers, new people, could all receive the same results by getting PCs and auditors to do it on the Flag Ship. So there was continuously, as they came out, there was always the way, that every single person could go up the most, perhaps shall we say, not particularly the easiest, but the most efficient way. It does not mean fast, it means the person would be able to confront and handle that, which came next and go up the bridge.

        Now, on the Class 8 Course he made his point, that it was all conforming to the basics of Scientology, so the only changes you would see in the bulletin after that was, if there was some pretty large percentage of when they put the tech in the field, that some problems arose, and it wasn’t found on the Flag Ship, then there would be a slight revision or something.

        Now you have to realize, that since 1980 there has been another motive in this, and that is to keep the person paying for his auditing.

        As Ron said on the Class 8 Course, there are a million ways to do it wrong and there s only one way to do it right, and you can make a million dollars doing a million wrong things and finally come back to the right one, or you could put them through the correct way the first time, and then you can make a lot of OTs.

        Ron s purpose in the Tech was to get the thetans up to OT, and we can not see this purpose in the bulletins, that have come up since 1980.

        The actual additions of various rundowns, and things people must do, some of these are merely, shall we say, special handlings. They are not major actions. That means, that not every one on the planet would need a R/D concerning how to better fix an automobile, or how to handle their 2nd dynamic or something like that, or how to handle their problems with Ethics. Some people would need that, but the others would handle that on their regular bridge.

        So we have a path, that is very well researched, and very well experimented and very well taped out, which does result in increased abilities and causativeness, and I have compared the case levels of people, who have done the bridge before 1980, and the ones who have done it since with the church, and there is a great difference. It is a difference, which can be measured in terms of dynamic responsibility, the responsibility in life over the various dynamics, and in the reality and communications levels of the people involved. I think, you may yourself know of some of these examples.

        I have found people in the church doing NOTs auditing, which is now the top level of the released bridge, who were afraid to communicate, afraid to find out everything, they kept very low profiles, they were very effect. This did not seem to me that they were able to cause much effects.

        Another thing that people may be interested in, and this is to finish the answer on the question, is what Ron predicted for Scientology on the PDC tapes of 1952.

        The PDC Course was an actual OT-Course, it dealt with the thetan s ability to mock up things and to make things of his universe and to reduce his being effect of the MEST-Universe (matter, energy, space, time}.

        He said in those lectures, that Scientology had a short space on earth to flourish and prosper between the time that man had gained control over his environment and his machines, where they released him for a little more free time to do spiritual things, and before those men with evil purposes would use those machines to enslave you.

        This apparently has been a repeated history on the track, we see it happening in the world. He also said, that we must get the tech fully developed and in use, before the „shades of night“ fall, and he referred to that as the „Shades of Night“ coming down or keeping all ideas and new developments a secret, so they could be used to control people rather than let them gain more freedom.

        You see that today with all these mysterious secrets, that are going behind the scenes, and you never get to hear about what is really developed. All the ideas for a New Civilization for instance are kept from you, or not let be developed.

        I think that fully answers, why we put that arbitrary date in there.

        I also might mention one other thing about the Grade chart, since you are all on it, we are all on it.

        The grade chart represents the majority of cases at the time it was developed, how they can progress. However, as a C/S you do not always go by only that, because as you know not every one is average. You must do the basics of Scientology with each case on an individual basis, this is the only way you can handle resistive cases or someone that comes, and has just recently arrived, and is already a Natural Clear, and has no drugs or medicine in this life time.

        So each is different, there are the extremes, and there is the middle, but no case is exactly like the others, as no thetan is exactly like the others. In fact you will find, that, if every case was the same, all their cognitions and all their answers to the questions on the processes would be the same, but they are not.

        The questions are the right ones, the answers are the individual ones from that thetan to get him through that particular ability level. And if there is something necessary to be done to get him to that „going up the bridge in the middle“, then we must choose the exact thing that will get him there without any problems so he has no difficulty in continuing, which brings me to the reason why I am giving you this tech briefing.

        We will be starting now full time 1st or 2nd week in December the moving of all cases in the Frankfurt area that can exchange right up the bridge.

        Now you ask „why here in Frankfurt? Because you are supposed to be in Spain?“ and all that stuff. The same thing we are doing in Spain, but I do not speak Spanish and the cases in Spain are all at a level, where they can be handled very easily by a lower class auditor, many have not had much auditing at all. I have programmed or C/Sed for each of the people there. I have trained up a Spanish speaking auditor on the DCSI, so we can which ever ones that are clear going on up.

        But also there is a matter of exchange, and there is not much exchange in Spain, the people there do not have any extra money to do anything under the socialist government, and to tell you the truth, I couldn’t survive on just doing tech in Spain. In fact I was not even going to do any tech anywhere, I was depending on David Mayo’s and the other AACs to expand quickly, but something a bit upsetting to me has occurred in the last 4-5 months, that is despite all our advices to them on policy.

        Remember what I have told you about policy. It is the 3 dynamic tech, which protects the technology. The AACs have actually stated in writing to me, that they do not intend to use Ethics, they do not intend to use Policy. I happen to know that persons, that all people will not go up the bridge without those things in use.

        If you understand the mechanics of PTSness, when that occurs, it must be handled. It s Ethics, it s an Ethics handling. If you don’t have that, it s a roller coaster.

        Policy and Tech complement each other. But that is not the most upsetting thing, that was the first one.

        The second upsetting thing was, it is allowed and even promoted by Div 6s and Div 2s, – I do not accuse any tech people for this, because I am sure they do the right things with their tech-, but the administrative people and publics of those AACs are permitting extreme criticism of LRH and repeating of the enemy s stories, that are appearing in the newspapers and were started by known SPs, such as Nibs Hubbard-de Wolfe, who was Ron s antagonistic son from a former marriage.

        They have thought it OK to keep promoting the words of Flynn, who is dedicated to destroy the church, Ron de Wolfe, who is dedicated to destroy LRH and Scientology, and I have that in writing from Ron de Wolfe himself. In a letter he stated, he has been trying to take apart Scientology brick by brick for 30 years, and yet it is OK, it s allowed to say, „I think, this is right, LRH was in black magic, and he was taking drugs, and he was doing all this, and he ripped off all this money“ and they are allowed to say that. They even write that down in their magazines and stuff like this.

        Now I ask you: If this is permitted and they send a person up the bridge, in the future when he goes out and says „I am a Scientologist“, (by the way, they also send out letters stating „We do not say we are Scientologists anymore“. I have a letter saying that from Harvey Haber from the AAC, who is the DIV 6 of David Mayo’s.), when they say that and go out and say, „Well, I’ve had my auditing“ to someone they are in communication with for business or a job or just contacts, these people could just turn around and say, „Well, that s very funny, because 5 years ago you told me, this guy who founded all this stuff was crazy, black magic, and he was this and that“. To put it mildly and in the most lightly way, they are destroying their own future. It is like a man climbing a rope ladder up the side of a cliff and saying, „Man, the guy who built this ladder, he didn’t know what the hell he was doing. The things that hold the ropes are all weak, and it s going to fall in any minute.“ Well, why the hell is he climbing the ladder? Why doesn’t he just stay down there? It is not understandable.

        This is why I realized, that they needed a C/S in Frankfurt, I realized also, that many people have been shall we say, a little bit messed about by the old church. I realize, that people are willing to exchange to have all this handled and go up the bridge standardly. I can also read and speak some German, although I must translate some of it. Also Frankfurt and Germany are a very key part in the 4th dynamic, which I also take responsibility in my universe for handling, so that we do not become slaves. So for all of these reasons I decided to actually start some very standard going up the bridge for people from any level, because at first it was going to be OT levels, but there are not enough people just there yet. But we will get them all the way up and then carry them up to the very standard OT abilities.

        As I say, I can recommend any technical person, that anyone wants to ask on the planet, that is doing standardly the tech. David Mayo does very standard tech, and so do all the people he trained.

        All I am stating here is that the environment, which they are in, tends to make them PTS. Eventually it will stop or hinder or cause them to drop the cause levels or the ability levels they have obtained.

        So it is not the fault of the auditor, it is the fault that they do not have a 3rd dynamic tech in the org, and the Ethics around it to protect it.

        Now perhaps you have seen the order that Dorothee wrote with my approval about the drug-scene over at the „Avalon“. This is an example of a gradient of ethics being applied and the correct policy being used to handle PTSs and giving them a chance to get back on the standard line. Do you know, that there is no AAC in the world, that I have seen an issue from, that there is no tech delivery center in the world, that I have seen an issue from, to handle an ethics situation. They can’t confront it. I could handle it as a C/S with them. Because they have been hit by incorrect ethics by RTC they backed off from using it totally.

        To stop using it totally is like a man, who has a wreck with his car, and he never wants to drive again, or like a person, who has had a bad auditing session and they are very hard to get back into session. There are handlings for this.

        LRH said, the tech could be used to suppress people, Policy can be used, Ethics can be used with Policy, but when used correctly, no problems, you go right up the bridge. Actually I wrote the chapter about Ethics in „What is Scientology“. I wrote that chapter and sent it to LRH, and he personally OKed it. What was written was put in the book. And in that it states, that Ethics is a technology, and it covers conditions, it covers getting off overts, and sec checks, and covers the PTS/SP phenomena, and boards of investigation and other justice actions.

        These are all technical tools, and when used correctly and for the right thing, without the way RTC is using them, saying „I don’t like these findings for the Comm Ev, you find it this way, now go back and do it the way I say“, which is totally against policy written on it.

        You think, why can’t people see this. The Convening Authority or authority who calls the committee cannot influence the committee, he can only accept the findings or reject them, he can not tell them what they should be. It is an evaluation, and in fact you don’t even need a committee if you don’t follow that policy.

        And now you find in the writing of RTC itself, they even say „we now declare people at the finger“. They even say this themselves, no Comm Ev. They will even tell (we have witnessed statements), they will even tell the person „you can have a committee, but you will loose.“ The other thing is, they are mixing the technologies again, they are alter-ising the technology of ethics, they are confusing conditions with justice actions.

        A justice action is a 3rd dynamic action, when the person cannot get his 1st dynamic ethics in himself, so he needs the help of the group.

        Condition formulas are actually the way to expand and flourish and prosper in the universe. They are meant to be applied causatively by the person on an individual basis. If the wrong one is applied, and this is stated in Policies on Ethics on a tape, if the wrong one is applied, the person will fall down the conditions to the one lower. Very exact. This happens all the time.

        You notice, how many SP-declares have come out in the last few years, 2000 and more, and from the viewpoint of the church all those 2000 fell to the next one lower. If you look at an SP being an enemy – they went to treason and they resigned from the church. It was the wrong condition. Obviously they didn’t come up.

        Ethics is to get the guy up. Some of them went to doubt and did a whole doubt thing, and when they did that correctly, back to treason they went again and were gone. Some of them went down to confusion and remained there, and they didn’t want nothing to do with anyone. That is an example of misapplication of ethics. But what we have been doing in OTC WW is trying to make sure, not only the tech survives, but the policy and ethics as well, all those technologies.

        So in Frankfurt we will find, that we will do it that way. When for instance you hear some one carrying on and nattering about this and that and the other, it should be reported to ethics, the person is called in, and HCO justice policies are applied. It s called Manual of Justice where by finding out, who told you that, and you trace it back to the source, and when you get to this source, he either agrees to have his overts and withholds pulled on the terminal he is criticizing or if he doesn’t agree, then a justice action is called by the 3rd dynamic to decide, where this person is sitting in relation to the group, like a Comm Ev or what ever.

        There is no condition formula, which says, criticisms are handled in this condition. That’s not the purpose of the condition formulas. You can’t put a person in a condition because he is critical.

        The church does this all the time. (Ha, you are critical of us, you must be with the enemy, you are suppressive.) There is not such a thing, the technology for handling criticism is given in the red bulletins also, it comes from O/Ws and MWH Technology.

        It is very easy and everything has a basic and a way to handle it. When you mix these up you get salt in the coffee and sugar on the meat.

        First of all we will star* this program off by making sure we collect whatever data we have on the case, or what ever auditing you have had. We can do that with a white form plus a DofP interview, or you can write it up yourself and we check it with a DofP interview, or summaries, what you had on the bridge or off the bridge. It is up to the DofP to get the complete data now.

        I m a permanent Class 8 awarded by LRH and I know what to do with a case problem. You have to have the data on the case. We get these data together, and before anything else is done, I look it over as a C/S, and then I make sure, that the next correct action is done, after which the person should be on the bridge. Now that means, he may be on the bridge already, but so far I haven’t found anyone that is standardly on the bridge.

        Some people have had invalidative sec checks, some people have started to go into endless corrections, and some people have been programmed to, shall we say, to do actions on the side, which are not necessary to go up the bridge and probably not needed.

        For instance, a girl asked me in Vienna, „I have this problem of playing before an audience, I m anxious, I m nervous.“ So she said, „can you handle that?“, I said „yes. Well, I m also a C/S. Where are you on the bridge?“ „Well, I think, I’ve done ARC-Straightwire/Life-Repair.“

        She really wanted this handled. Now, if I was interested in just money I would say „sure, it will take 50 hours, I’ll handle it.“ No. I only want the fair exchange, but I want the best thing for the PC, so I told her „First go up the bridge. Get your grades. You can do it here, or in Langenthal or what ever, and when you are up the grades it should have been handled. If it is not, then let me know and we will handle it.“

        She was surprised. I said, „Well, what do you think, the grades are for?“ The things like that, that the thetan can obtain, each grade handles the different parts of these things. If you know the grade chart, you can see all the abilities that people achieve on those grades. If they really achieve that, I don’t think she would be nervous after grade IV.

        Well, if you look at it, it could be a problem in communications, it could be a problem with a problem, about it she could have O/Ws and be a little nervous about being found out. It s right there somewhere, or an ARC break or dramatization of a service fac, it could be anything. So, honestly as a C/S I have to tell her, „you go up the bridge“. The church would probably say, „ha, you need a Sunshine Rundown, so you are happy all the time.“ 50 hours of that, that s a very high price. So you see, this is what we want to get back, the intention of LRH in developing the Tech, and in addition to the intentions of LRH, we want to get back in, (I say get back in because it is not there now), the recognition of source, because there are people now in England going around and saying that, „Ron didn’t develop the tech“, and they are saying, „John McMasters developed it“, and other people like David Mayo, and some of the Class 10s, „Otto Roos developed the Tech“.

        How soon they forgot, that I was there on the Flag Ship for 7 years, when he, LRH, developed everything.

        From the Class 8 Course all the way through NED for OTs, starting with the NED course, all the tech in between and including the Ext/Int-RD and the Drug-Rundown, OT Drug Rundowns and everything was developed right in that period.

        As the captain of the ship I made a tour of the ship many times a day, and I saw him at the office, working on the Tech 8 hours a day. I didn’t see any of those other guys doing it.

        So it s very strange to me, that these stories can be circulating amongst Scientologists, that s as silly as me saying, that since I was used on a pilot process or an experimental process of some of the L s, (you know, the Ls, L10, L11, L12). I was given some of those on the Flag Ship, as an experiment. But its like me going around saying „I helped develop the Ls.“ I didn’t do any of the research on the L s, I was a PC or a PreOT.

        You see the difference. And even then, I mean, that people would believe this, it shows me, that we are on the correct path only here in Frankfurt, and in Spain, or where ever we are putting the OTC WW. Because, as I said, the other areas are becoming more and more increasingly (as they are not getting their overts pulled), they are getting more and more critical, and spreading these rumors and so on like that. They are false.

        OK. That s my viewpoint and I hope you like it. But I think, what you are being given, if I may look at it now from another viewpoint, what we are doing here is actually also a pilot process in Frankfurt, right, and as a result of this you may be the first people to be able to promote the results of the most standard bridge since LRH was actually running FCCIs at Flag, that s Flag Case Completion Intensives on the Flag Ship, and he was C/Sing all of their cases.

        So, next year we can start over here the Universal Church of Scientology somewhere in Europe, where all the training and auditing, that has been lost, all of his training, all the Policy, all the Ethics, all the Tech come back in.

        Because that has not been duplicated yet, I consider I’ll take the responsibility to start that and help start that, because no one else, again, is doing it.

        I also like to state, that when you get to your OT levels and so on, that my main experience in missionairing in Tech was to be the Commanding Officer in most of the AOs on the planet.

        I’ve been the Commanding Officer for the AO at Alicante, which was the first one on land, and the one in Edinburgh, which was the first AO in England, and the first one in California, which was the AO L.A., and on other missions I have run for a while the AO in Copenhagen. And believe me, I know everything, that can happen with an OT case.

        Before those jobs I was in the Advanced Org on the Flag Ship on the following posts: Tech Sec, Qual Sec, Dir of Review, and the Review Auditor for all OT cases.

        And before that, when the Sea Org just started in 1967, I was the I/C of Review, and that included sec checking, included all of the review actions on all the persons in the original Sea Project. Before that I was Senior Lead Review Auditor at SH England, and Director of Review Qual Division, and before that HGC auditor and also Class 7 Intern, which is Power Processing Auditor.

        So I have a lot of technical qualifications on my track for handling these types of cases, and I can say in truth that the AOs were never run better by anyone else except of course LRH.

        I m not bragging about that, I m just telling you that, because I’ve duplicated, what LRH wants. And most people, that have been to those AOs and have been through them, when other people were running them later, will tell you the same thing.

        The reason they tell you that is because when ever I went to correct an AO later, the first people who would come to me, would be the old timers who had been there earlier, you know, and gone up the bridge, and they would say, „I m glad you are back. Now I want to tell you something.“ „OK,“ I said, „go ahead and tell me because I m here on mission, to handle whatever it is.“ And they say, „We can’t promote for people to come here anymore, they just don’t do it right anymore.“

        These were the most influential and wealthy and the most known public, and I would pull the string and get the data, and I would find that who ever was running it, he had gone into the idea, „We are just going to make the money, we are just going to sell Power processing and something or other and we are not going to get them up the bridge.“

        One place in one time in Copenhagen I even found they had a C/S, that was blackmailing PCs. I declared him and I’ll even let you know the name, because I don’t want him ever again in Scientology. That was Belkacem Feradj, French Algerian, he is maybe not known in Germany, but he was at the AO in the 70s, he is now in the US. Anyway, that is probably the most betrayal, I think, to do to LRH, that someone could blackmail a PC, find out about W/Hs from the government or his W/Hs on wife or whatever and then say, „If you don’t give me this money, I will tell.“

        Now, that is about the most betrayal that I have run across on the tech lines.

        But these Guys, that are going around criticizing LRH, if they keep going like that, they may reach No. 1 position in betrayal.

        We have tried as OTC, and my friends tried, Maria has gone over to the US, Hermanns in Switzerland have gone there, John Caban has gone over there, and every time we brought them the same message.

        „Hey, knock off this criticism and this bla bla bla about LRH, and pull their overts and withholds, and trace it down to the source and expose, who is doing it.“ They won’t do it.

        Anyway, it s time now to create the alternative for the alternative, OK?

        I ask you, if you want to help in this. I m going to do C/Sing and so on, and in special cases I might even do some Review Handlings, because there are some people I understand have been screwed up, messed up on the OT levels, that requires this type of AO review auditing handling, which I can do and get everyone back on the bridge and on up through OT. We do need more OT s as LRH always says. Real ones.

        Because, shall we say, he is feeling a little lonely. He has left the bridge here for us. He is waiting there to say „Hello!. Glad you could make it!“

        So, anyway, that s what the plan is, and I would like now to know any questions you have about this, before the tape runs out.

        Oh yes, one other thing. My rate as a permanent Class 8 as C/S is DM 300. – per hour.

        Maria is going to do the DofP stuff, DofP interviews and also operate as what you call a tech page, getting the folders together and doing all the things, she knows the whole line, she has worked at Flag and in AOs and so on.

        Now I want you to realize something, right? Marianne is going to continue auditing and so will Franz and anyone else.

        Like that I hope we will get the whole thing together and just start a flow, that will be filled by all around Europe. We will have to train people and get them out and just bring the whole level of technology up.

        Also I want to point out that DM 300. – an hour C/Sing once the person is on the bridge right, really on the line, and when I know what is happening in every session, then it is not necessary to have the Senior C/S, (I m calling it Senior C/Sing). Anyone that is trained to run those levels can probably just C/S the next steps on the thing. Like you have run 0-A on the communication thing, the next thing you run is 0-B. So when you went standardly on 0-A you go on to 0-B.

        So I m sure Marianne can handle that, or Franz, or any person. What I m trying to do is once getting the person by making sure that he his totally right on the bridge without any BPC, picking them up again at the point where they go into the Solo-Assists and then giving them the C/Sing from there all the way to OT III. And I’ll even state here, that anyone that wants to go on the old OT IV, V, and VI, we have those materials as well. But that is only once they have finished OT III, then they can sort of communicate back and forth in writing to the C/S and we will see, if that is the best line. But by that I think I’ll probably have done my NOTs training as an auditor and C/S, so I can carry on with that. If not, there is always Per Schiottz in Copenhagen, so we will work the whole bridge.

        Please address any communication, if you have anybody interested for this, to Maria. She will be keeping the logbooks of who has paid for what. So we can give the service on the basis of policy, you know, the service to the people, that have given exchange and buy the preference rates, and so on.

        Also the C/Sing does not take as long afterwards as it does in the beginning, because in the beginning you have to work with little data from the DofP and the White Form, you have to guess at what all is in the folders that the church is holding, and you have to pick out what BPC they have missed and handle those and make it so, that the person is ready to go.

        When you have them going already it is very easy and may take 5-10 minutes to do the C/S. If there is a little bit of trouble it doesn’t take very long, because you have already done the basics.

        So out of DM 300.– we say that DM 150.– is half hour and DM 75.– is 15 minutes and if it is a fast thing, 5 to 10 minutes it s DM 50,-. So that way everybody can have their folder C/Sed by me if they want, if they don’t wish to, they can just have the beginning done and will then be given on to their regular tech lines, and after they get to the Solo Assists, then I’ll take it on from there.

        Now, for the auditors here, the people that are tech people, I will tell you one other thing. Here, we are applying the policy of Qual. OKs to audit and OKs to the C/S etc., etc. are obtained in Qual. And this is how all tech got started on the Flag Ship. That s why I m using this, because we do not have a training course, where we can train a whole bunch of C/Ses. We will have in the future, but until then, if there is something you want to C/S and you have the qualifications as an auditor there, well, then you bring the bulletins, you study the pack and so on, and as Qual Terminal I’ll give you checkouts and meter checkouts, everything on that pack, and give you the OK to do it.

        That is how it was done originally in the Sea Org. You check out, you show me the checksheet, you’ve twinned, or where ever you have done the whole check outs and so on. Like a tech training thing on it, on the exact thing you want to do, like you want to be able to C/S or audit on the DCSI. Well then you do the Pack, bla, bla, bla, bring it here, I give you an exam, give you a check-out and so on.

        Well, I think that is about the end unless there is any other question.

        To end off, that is the purpose of this. It is to put in the bridge like LRH originally intended. The alternative to the alternative, that will bring Europe again into a position where LRH stated in 1966 „Europe must be ready, in case the United States go down the drain, to take over the entire responsibility for Scientology in the world.“

        I think it is time again to do this.

         


        -- 
        Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
        http://www.galac-patra.org
        http://www.timecops.org
        http://www.0-48.ru
        ---------------------------------------


        amicalis1 пишет:

        Hello,

        this is me, I am nothing but have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you beware! be aware!

        They want you all to believe 2012 and the secret vectors that define an unalterable course for the world. The code name is CBR which stands for Captain Bill Ryan.

        If you wish to know visit: www.mgtconcepts. com/elronsorg/ ethics

        there and following a few links you may be getting a new view of who is leading the fake OTs on secret orders from the invisible, secret government.

        Let's teach them a lesson dear Hubbardian or Post Hubbardian Galactically Responsible Woken up thetans, per the oldest rules in the Old Man's book:

        "Considerations are senior to mechanics" and

        "Reality is the agreed upon apparency of existence"

        love to your truths,

        Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,

        CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-ltd

         

      • amicalis1
        Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people is also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment with the Scientology
        Message 3 of 14 , Jun 10, 2008
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          Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people is also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment with the Scientology Basics and Buttler would not invalidate LRH, he does not agree with all of Capt. Bill – but does not invalidate him.

          I think putting in Ethics in the Freezone when needed is in alignment with what Capt. Bill would have done, just look at the early OTC records. A Freezoner telling destructive lies about another FZer is in my opinion a good target for Ethics and that is what I have been applying recently. And some people were shocked???

           

          Multi Genius Technologies and Ethics

           or Why re-introduce `old fashioned' Ethics?

          Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd providing several alternative technologies in the same Birega Haus could not operate unless there is mutual respect and null invalidation of alternative technologies.  It can easily be seen how that would be counterproductive. In actual practice we do have a smooth operation with scientologists, ex-scientologists, Dianeticists, R3X practitioners, Pilot people, Idenics clients, Ron's Org people etc happily working alongside of each other.

          This was only briefly  interrupted in few occasions by a few who instantly attacked what they perceived as not corresponding to their one and only `truth', despite having agreed already to the MGT Principles of respect for different realities!  This did for some brief moments seem to disturb the Multi Genius co-creative atmosphere, but we were even tolerant of that much diversity. This was before as well as after the FZ Convention.

          In a supermarket to use a mundane comparison, one has different and competing brands tolerantly laying next to each other in utter peace subjecting themselves to the scrutiny of the beholding customers.

          Why would some in our Spiritual Supermarket be intolerant of another brand. It was observed that all three of these few beings were eager to spread false and misleading reports on one of our alternatives in particular when this variant was producing rave exuberant happiness and results. There were few only, about 1,5 %.

          These facts actually came to light only when we introduced a `new kid on the block' with the name of Andreas Buttler with the new technology he developed called Spiritologie.

          Hubbard and others, amongst which notable psychologists,  observed this phenomena and gave it different names. Due to my background as Hubbardian, I chose that terminology and quote some pertinent statements from his writings:

          "Characteristic of social beings is  the passing of communication without much alteration and if deleting anything tends to delete injurious matters. The social personality is eager to relay good news and reluctant to relay bad. He may not even bother to pass along criticism when it does not matter."   HCOB 27 SEPTEMBER 1966 THE ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST

          "Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harm by lies".  LRH

          (HCOB 600208 HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO)

          Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only disciplines those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they can eventually win too – but not by hurting us.

          A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will continue to be too enturbulated to do his job.

          HCO PL 27 MARCH 1965 THE JUSTICE OF SCIENTOLOGY ITS USE AND PURPOSE BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST

          "Without justice there can be no real organization. Even a government owes its people an operating climate in which human transactions and business can occur….Where insane and criminal individuals operate unchecked in the community … ..   The whole task of justice is to defend the honest man."       HCO PL 14.12.70 GROUP SANITY

          Andreas Buttler, became a friend of ours last year and quite respected due to his phenomenal results as a counselor on cases that had been given up by others and as an artist as well.  Some time after the convention I received a copy of a report on the convention made by a good friend of mine Bill Ryan, who had been there and also talked to Andreas. To my surprise that communication which he presented as a "report" contained several falsehoods, alteration and blatant lies. These were pointed out to my friend, who, as he refused to correct his `false impressions', then started to show his true colors.

          Due to the impartial nature of MGT Concepts, Un-ltd they can act as Ethics Authority as they have no vested interest in any one particular technology or philosophy. Money is of no concern to them and has evidently never been an issue, they have a temporary operation that will close down in 2012 when most beings will again be free.

          "The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that those people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family.

          The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the place on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be. Because anyone who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron s purpose on this planet.

          His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self determined and pan-determined and at cause again."    Capt. Bill Robertson, TECH BRIEFING 1

          Andreas Buttler sounds (sings) the same and states the same things as LRH in the early days. Whether he really was LRH is a matter of individual re-cognition, or what's true for you.

          In order to clear the communication lines for the sake of social beings, Ethics action was undertaken!

          Love,

          Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,

          CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd

           

           

          --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops <groups@...> wrote:

          >  

          > Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must

          > create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to clear,

          > OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games by

          > using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that  is your purpose too as Class IX.

          > I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate scientology,

          > scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this. Im

          > proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.

          > I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR, tech

          > and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:

          >

          > TECH BRIEFING No 1

          >

          >

          > Frankfurt , 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson>

           

        • Timecops
          Caspar, thanks for clearing your vision. FZ will grow. -- Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow http://www.galac-patra.org http://www.timecops.org
          Message 4 of 14 , Jun 11, 2008
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            Caspar, thanks for clearing your vision.
            FZ will  grow.
            -- 
            Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
            http://www.galac-patra.org
            http://www.timecops.org
            http://www.0-48.ru
            ---------------------------------------


            amicalis1 пишет:

            Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people is also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment with the Scientology Basics and Buttler would not invalidate LRH, he does not agree with all of Capt. Bill – but does not invalidate him.

            I think putting in Ethics in the Freezone when needed is in alignment with what Capt. Bill would have done, just look at the early OTC records. A Freezoner telling destructive lies about another FZer is in my opinion a good target for Ethics and that is what I have been applying recently. And some people were shocked???

             

            Multi Genius Technologies and Ethics

             or Why re-introduce `old fashioned' Ethics?

            Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd providing several alternative technologies in the same Birega Haus could not operate unless there is mutual respect and null invalidation of alternative technologies.  It can easily be seen how that would be counterproductive. In actual practice we do have a smooth operation with scientologists, ex-scientologists, Dianeticists, R3X practitioners, Pilot people, Idenics clients, Ron's Org people etc happily working alongside of each other.

            This was only briefly  interrupted in few occasions by a few who instantly attacked what they perceived as not corresponding to their one and only `truth', despite having agreed already to the MGT Principles of respect for different realities!  This did for some brief moments seem to disturb the Multi Genius co-creative atmosphere, but we were even tolerant of that much diversity. This was before as well as after the FZ Convention.

            In a supermarket to use a mundane comparison, one has different and competing brands tolerantly laying next to each other in utter peace subjecting themselves to the scrutiny of the beholding customers.

            Why would some in our Spiritual Supermarket be intolerant of another brand. It was observed that all three of these few beings were eager to spread false and misleading reports on one of our alternatives in particular when this variant was producing rave exuberant happiness and results. There were few only, about 1,5 %.

            These facts actually came to light only when we introduced a `new kid on the block' with the name of Andreas Buttler with the new technology he developed called Spiritologie.

            Hubbard and others, amongst which notable psychologists,  observed this phenomena and gave it different names. Due to my background as Hubbardian, I chose that terminology and quote some pertinent statements from his writings:

            "Characteristic of social beings is  the passing of communication without much alteration and if deleting anything tends to delete injurious matters. The social personality is eager to relay good news and reluctant to relay bad. He may not even bother to pass along criticism when it does not matter."   HCOB 27 SEPTEMBER 1966 THE ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST

            "Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harm by lies".  LRH

            (HCOB 600208 HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO)

            Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only disciplines those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they can eventually win too – but not by hurting us.

            A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will continue to be too enturbulated to do his job.

            HCO PL 27 MARCH 1965 THE JUSTICE OF SCIENTOLOGY ITS USE AND PURPOSE BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST

            "Without justice there can be no real organization. Even a government owes its people an operating climate in which human transactions and business can occur….Where insane and criminal individuals operate unchecked in the community … ..   The whole task of justice is to defend the honest man."       HCO PL 14.12.70 GROUP SANITY

            Andreas Buttler, became a friend of ours last year and quite respected due to his phenomenal results as a counselor on cases that had been given up by others and as an artist as well.  Some time after the convention I received a copy of a report on the convention made by a good friend of mine Bill Ryan, who had been there and also talked to Andreas. To my surprise that communication which he presented as a "report" contained several falsehoods, alteration and blatant lies. These were pointed out to my friend, who, as he refused to correct his `false impressions' , then started to show his true colors.

            Due to the impartial nature of MGT Concepts, Un-ltd they can act as Ethics Authority as they have no vested interest in any one particular technology or philosophy. Money is of no concern to them and has evidently never been an issue, they have a temporary operation that will close down in 2012 when most beings will again be free.

            "The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that those people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family.

            The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the place on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be. Because anyone who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron s purpose on this planet.

            His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self determined and pan-determined and at cause again."    Capt. Bill Robertson, TECH BRIEFING 1

            Andreas Buttler sounds (sings) the same and states the same things as LRH in the early days. Whether he really was LRH is a matter of individual re-cognition, or what's true for you.

            In order to clear the communication lines for the sake of social beings, Ethics action was undertaken!

            Love,

            Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,

            CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd

             

             

            --- In Galac_Patra@ yahoogroups. com, Timecops <groups@...> wrote:

            >  

            > Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must

            > create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to clear,

            > OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games by

            > using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that  is your purpose too as Class IX.

            > I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate scientology,

            > scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this. Im

            > proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.

            > I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR, tech

            > and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:

            >

            > TECH BRIEFING No 1

            >

            >

            > Frankfurt , 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson>

             

          • amicalis1
            Hi Maxim, here some more background stuff Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint Camelot as a place is associated with ideals
            Message 5 of 14 , Jun 12, 2008
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              Hi Maxim,

              here some more background stuff

              Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH

               A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint

              Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy carrying the name.

              Let's first take a look at their goals:

              "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the likelihood of significant earth changes in the near future – these being connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which involves various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our intention is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads, and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."

              Ryan & Cassidy

              Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.

              In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints' in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence revelations of secret agents, aliens etc.  These points escape the casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high level of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original (in its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.

              Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games Master.

              When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)

              What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as well as REAL predictions and future trends.  These are realistically or as they say `truthfully' presented.  I am not saying it is bad or that they are  lying. 

              Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical universe:

              "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE THEM."

              The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and have opinions.

              For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?" after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a "REAL"nature.

                    Ryan's Law I:

              Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.

              But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of thought ….

                    Ryan's Law II:

              What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism… all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.

                    Ryan's Law III:

              It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting of the least worst timeline...

              These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human' viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.

              The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course the factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret government'.

              And that is why I have said in a recent email:

               

              "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you beware! Be aware!

               

              They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that define an unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on secret orders from the invisible, secret government."

               

              An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing bad conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that can be done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.

               

              ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to make.

              Caspar de Rijk,

              CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd

               


              --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops <groups@...> wrote:
              >
              > Caspar, thanks for clearing your vision.
              > FZ will grow.
              >
              > --
              > Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
              > http://www.galac-patra.org
              > http://www.timecops.org
              > http://www.0-48.ru
              > ---------------------------------------
              >
              >
              >
              > amicalis1 ÐÉÛÅÔ:
              > >
              > > Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people is
              > > also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment
              > > with the Scientology Basics and Buttler would not invalidate LRH, he
              > > does not agree with all of Capt. Bill -- but does not invalidate him.
              > >
              > > I think putting in Ethics in the Freezone when needed is in alignment
              > > with what Capt. Bill would have done, just look at the early OTC
              > > records. A Freezoner telling destructive lies about another FZer is in
              > > my opinion a good target for Ethics and that is what I have been
              > > applying recently. And some people were shocked???
              > >
              > > **
              > >
              > > *Multi Genius Technologies and Ethics*
              > >
              > > or Why re-introduce `old fashioned' Ethics?
              > >
              > > Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd providing several alternative
              > > technologies in the same Birega Haus could not operate unless there is
              > > mutual respect and null invalidation of alternative technologies. It
              > > can easily be seen how that would be counterproductive. In actual
              > > practice we do have a smooth operation with scientologists,
              > > ex-scientologists, Dianeticists, R3X practitioners, Pilot people,
              > > Idenics clients, Ron's Org people etc happily working alongside of
              > > each other.
              > >
              > > This was only briefly interrupted in few occasions by a few who
              > > instantly attacked what they perceived as not corresponding to _their
              > > one and only `truth'_, despite having agreed already to the MGT
              > > Principles of respect for different realities! This did for some
              > > brief moments seem to disturb the Multi Genius co-creative atmosphere,
              > > but we were even tolerant of that much diversity. This was before as
              > > well as after the FZ Convention.
              > >
              > > In a supermarket to use a mundane comparison, one has different and
              > > competing brands tolerantly laying next to each other in utter peace
              > > subjecting themselves to the scrutiny of the beholding customers.
              > >
              > > Why would some in our Spiritual Supermarket be intolerant of another
              > > brand. It was observed that all three of these few beings were eager
              > > to spread false and misleading reports on one of our alternatives in
              > > particular when this variant was producing rave exuberant happiness
              > > and results. There were few only, about 1,5 %.
              > >
              > > These facts actually came to light only when we introduced a `new kid
              > > on the block' with the name of Andreas Buttler with the new technology
              > > he developed called Spiritologie.
              > >
              > > Hubbard and others, amongst which notable psychologists, observed
              > > this phenomena and gave it different names. Due to my background as
              > > Hubbardian, I chose that terminology and quote some pertinent
              > > statements from his writings:
              > >
              > > /"Characteristic of _social beings_ is the passing of communication
              > > without much alteration and if deleting anything tends to delete
              > > injurious matters. The social personality is eager to relay good news
              > > and reluctant to relay bad. He may not even bother to pass along
              > > criticism when it does not matter." // /HCOB 27 SEPTEMBER 1966 THE
              > > ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST
              > >
              > > /"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harm by lies". LRH /
              > >
              > > (HCOB 600208 HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO)
              > >
              > > /Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only disciplines
              > > those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they
              > > can eventually win too -- but not by hurting us./
              > >
              > > /A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its
              > > administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will
              > > continue to be too enturbulated to do his job./
              > >
              > > HCO PL 27 MARCH 1965 THE JUSTICE OF SCIENTOLOGY ITS USE AND PURPOSE
              > > BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST
              > >
              > > /"Without justice there can be no real organization. Even a government
              > > owes its people an operating climate in which human transactions and
              > > business can occur....Where insane and criminal individuals operate
              > > unchecked in the community ... .. The whole task of justice is to
              > > defend the honest man." // /HCO PL 14.12.70 GROUP SANITY
              > >
              > > Andreas Buttler, became a friend of ours last year and quite respected
              > > due to his phenomenal results as a counselor on cases that had been
              > > given up by others and as an artist as well. Some time after the
              > > convention I received a copy of a report on the convention made by a
              > > good friend of mine Bill Ryan, who had been there and also talked to
              > > Andreas. To my surprise that communication which he presented as a
              > > "report" contained several falsehoods, alteration and blatant lies.
              > > These were pointed out to my friend, who, as he refused to correct his
              > > `false impressions', then started to show his true colors.
              > >
              > > Due to the impartial nature of MGT Concepts, Un-ltd they can act as
              > > Ethics Authority as they have no vested interest in any _one_
              > > particular technology or philosophy. Money is of no concern to them
              > > and has evidently never been an issue, they have a temporary operation
              > > that will close down in 2012 when most beings will again be free.
              > >
              > > /"The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that those
              > > people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family./
              > >
              > > /The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst
              > > Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the place
              > > on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be.// Because anyone
              > > who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron s
              > > purpose on this planet./
              > >
              > > /His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to
              > > their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self
              > > determined and pan-determined and at cause again."// /Capt. Bill
              > > Robertson, TECH BRIEFING 1
              > >
              > > Andreas Buttler sounds (sings) the same and states the same things as
              > > LRH in the early days. Whether he really was LRH is a matter of
              > > individual re-cognition, or what's true for you.
              > >
              > > In order to clear the communication lines for the sake of _social_
              > > beings, Ethics action was undertaken!
              > >
              > > Love,
              > >
              > > Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,
              > >
              > > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops groups@ wrote:
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must
              > >
              > > > create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to clear,
              > >
              > > > OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games by
              > >
              > > > using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that is your purpose too as Class IX.
              > >
              > > > I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate scientology,
              > >
              > > > scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this. Im
              > >
              > > > proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.
              > >
              > > > I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR, tech
              > >
              > > > and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > TECH BRIEFING No 1
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > >
              > >
              > > > Frankfurt, 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson>
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >

               

            • fritz
              Caspar. why don t you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan. the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your personal bias
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                Caspar.

                why don't you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan.

                the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your
                personal bias against Bill, And that you have not even bothered to
                read His and Terry Cassidy's site, except to find something you can
                use to back up your lies.

                If you had read the site, you'd have seen things such as the below
                quoted message on Project Camelot, which completely refutes what you
                claim is the case with Bill.

                Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can
                be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.

                Knock off the personal campaign against Bill. Nobody is interested.

                Fritz


                A personal message from Bill Ryan

                Of everything we've published, whether video or text, our summary page
                2008: The Future is Now was the most difficult and challenging to put
                together and agree on. Kerry and I went through it sentence by
                sentence, reference by reference, line by line, for many, many hours.
                Why so hard?

                Because these are the most important issues of our times. We have a
                responsibility to get things right - if we possibly can - and to state
                things in a balanced way. But how to balance the notion that this
                planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble?

                Spiritually, of course we are all magnificent immortals - though some
                of us have forgotten and have yet to realize our true nature and
                heritage. We DO spent time here to learn. We DO set up interesting
                situations for ourselves to experience. We DO tend to re-experience
                things which we may have encountered before - and failed to deal with
                then.

                This is what 'karma' is: it's not a punishment. It's just another
                chance to learn, if we flunked the lesson the first time. We set these
                things up for ourselves. We are each the directors and producers of
                our own personal movie - as well as being the heroes and heroines.
                Ultimately, there's no-one to blame; blame is an avoidance of our own
                ultimate responsibility for the reality we co-create.

                So what's the problem here? Ultimately, what may happen to our
                'playground' is surely of no consequence. We'll just create another
                one. (What else are we going to do with all the time we have?!)

                But here's the core story: there's been a war of good against evil
                going on for millennia, or longer. This planet is now just the current
                'front' in this war. It's not a final battle, but it feels like an
                important one. Tens of thousands of people have incarnated here
                specifically to help out, to handle what needs to be handled. You,
                reading this, are probably among them.

                The Indigo and Crystal Children are just the latest wave. Many of us
                have been around for quite a while. We come from different planets,
                different planes, even different times.

                There are certainly "hyperdimensional demonic entities", as Bill
                Deagle terms them. They can play a major unseen role. But what's
                important to remember is that there are more and more positive forces
                that have been liberated and which are fully focused on the situation
                at hand. We can't see them either, but they're on our side.

                We may have some rough times ahead physically ("expect disturbances",
                as a psychic friend was told recently), but there will be no
                showstopper. As with a yacht sailing into a Force 8 gale in the
                southern ocean, the opportunity is not only to survive, but for the
                crew to learn, work together, and triumph.

                Not to feel like looking at the weather forecast is understandable.
                But I want the crew to know what we're sailing into, and what will be
                asked of them. Because I want us to make it through.

                What there is to learn is that we have to take responsibility, act, do
                what we can, realize our purposes, stop being observers. Any
                situations that didn't work out quite so well in previous ages have
                always been because we failed to deal with them at the time. So here
                we have another chance.



                Here's a 60 second clip that says it all - Bill Birnes talking with
                George Noory on Coast To Coast AM on 19 June, 2007:



                Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these entities
                were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
                travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the future.

                And that we and they have the same powers, and that was the real
                fear of the government: that we have the ability to manipulate reality
                around us. We've always had that ability, we just didn't know how to
                use it...



                And there you have it, right from the top. We DO have these powers to
                shape our own reality. Just say no... to the world you don't want to
                see. That starts here, with you, with us together. The future is now.





                --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > Hi Maxim,
                >
                > here some more background stuff
                >
                > Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH
                >
                > A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint
                >
                > Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and
                > truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good
                > place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry
                > Cassidy carrying the name.
                >
                > Let's first take a look at their goals:
                >
                > "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet
                > is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the likelihood
                > of significant earth changes in the near future – these being
                > connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which involves
                > various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our intention
                > is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads,
                > and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."
                >
                > Ryan & Cassidy
                >
                > Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY,
                > ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.
                >
                > In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints'
                > in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence
                > revelations of secret agents, aliens etc. These points escape the
                > casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high level
                > of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original (in
                > its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.
                >
                > Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games
                > Master.
                >
                > When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state
                > there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)
                >
                > What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as well
                > as REAL predictions and future trends. These are realistically or as
                > they say `truthfully' presented. I am not saying it is bad or
                > that they are lying.
                >
                > Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON
                > APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms
                > REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and
                > agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being
                > the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical
                > universe:
                >
                > "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF
                > CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE
                > PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE
                > THEM."
                >
                > The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet
                > possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and
                > have opinions.
                >
                > For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as
                > laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?"
                > after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a
                > "REAL"nature.
                >
                > Ryan's Law I:
                >
                > Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable
                > by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.
                >
                > But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of thought
                > ….
                >
                > Ryan's Law II:
                >
                > What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism…
                > all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.
                >
                > Ryan's Law III:
                >
                > It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting of
                > the least worst timeline...
                >
                > These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human'
                > viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.
                >
                > The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course the
                > factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't
                > be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities
                > and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret
                > government'.
                >
                > And that is why I have said in a recent email:
                >
                >
                >
                > "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government
                > sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the
                > Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you
                > beware! Be aware!
                >
                >
                >
                > They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that define an
                > unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on secret
                > orders from the invisible, secret government."
                >
                >
                >
                > An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing bad
                > conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that can be
                > done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS,
                > UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.
                >
                >
                >
                > ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to make.
                >
                > Caspar de Rijk,
                >
                > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops <groups@> wrote:
                > >
                > > Caspar, thanks for clearing your vision.
                > > FZ will grow.
                > >
                > > --
                > > Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
                > > http://www.galac-patra.org
                > > http://www.timecops.org
                > > http://www.0-48.ru
                > > ---------------------------------------
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > amicalis1 ÐÉÛÅÔ:
                > > >
                > > > Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people
                > is
                > > > also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment
                > > > with the Scientology Basics and Buttler would not invalidate LRH, he
                > > > does not agree with all of Capt. Bill -- but does not invalidate
                > him.
                > > >
                > > > I think putting in Ethics in the Freezone when needed is in
                > alignment
                > > > with what Capt. Bill would have done, just look at the early OTC
                > > > records. A Freezoner telling destructive lies about another FZer is
                > in
                > > > my opinion a good target for Ethics and that is what I have been
                > > > applying recently. And some people were shocked???
                > > >
                > > > **
                > > >
                > > > *Multi Genius Technologies and Ethics*
                > > >
                > > > or Why re-introduce `old fashioned' Ethics?
                > > >
                > > > Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd providing several alternative
                > > > technologies in the same Birega Haus could not operate unless there
                > is
                > > > mutual respect and null invalidation of alternative technologies. It
                > > > can easily be seen how that would be counterproductive. In actual
                > > > practice we do have a smooth operation with scientologists,
                > > > ex-scientologists, Dianeticists, R3X practitioners, Pilot people,
                > > > Idenics clients, Ron's Org people etc happily working alongside of
                > > > each other.
                > > >
                > > > This was only briefly interrupted in few occasions by a few who
                > > > instantly attacked what they perceived as not corresponding to
                > _their
                > > > one and only `truth'_, despite having agreed already to the MGT
                > > > Principles of respect for different realities! This did for some
                > > > brief moments seem to disturb the Multi Genius co-creative
                > atmosphere,
                > > > but we were even tolerant of that much diversity. This was before as
                > > > well as after the FZ Convention.
                > > >
                > > > In a supermarket to use a mundane comparison, one has different and
                > > > competing brands tolerantly laying next to each other in utter peace
                > > > subjecting themselves to the scrutiny of the beholding customers.
                > > >
                > > > Why would some in our Spiritual Supermarket be intolerant of another
                > > > brand. It was observed that all three of these few beings were eager
                > > > to spread false and misleading reports on one of our alternatives in
                > > > particular when this variant was producing rave exuberant happiness
                > > > and results. There were few only, about 1,5 %.
                > > >
                > > > These facts actually came to light only when we introduced a `new
                > kid
                > > > on the block' with the name of Andreas Buttler with the new
                > technology
                > > > he developed called Spiritologie.
                > > >
                > > > Hubbard and others, amongst which notable psychologists, observed
                > > > this phenomena and gave it different names. Due to my background as
                > > > Hubbardian, I chose that terminology and quote some pertinent
                > > > statements from his writings:
                > > >
                > > > /"Characteristic of _social beings_ is the passing of communication
                > > > without much alteration and if deleting anything tends to delete
                > > > injurious matters. The social personality is eager to relay good
                > news
                > > > and reluctant to relay bad. He may not even bother to pass along
                > > > criticism when it does not matter." // /HCOB 27 SEPTEMBER 1966 THE
                > > > ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST
                > > >
                > > > /"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harm by lies". LRH /
                > > >
                > > > (HCOB 600208 HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO)
                > > >
                > > > /Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only
                > disciplines
                > > > those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they
                > > > can eventually win too -- but not by hurting us./
                > > >
                > > > /A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its
                > > > administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will
                > > > continue to be too enturbulated to do his job./
                > > >
                > > > HCO PL 27 MARCH 1965 THE JUSTICE OF SCIENTOLOGY ITS USE AND PURPOSE
                > > > BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST
                > > >
                > > > /"Without justice there can be no real organization. Even a
                > government
                > > > owes its people an operating climate in which human transactions and
                > > > business can occur....Where insane and criminal individuals operate
                > > > unchecked in the community ... .. The whole task of justice is to
                > > > defend the honest man." // /HCO PL 14.12.70 GROUP SANITY
                > > >
                > > > Andreas Buttler, became a friend of ours last year and quite
                > respected
                > > > due to his phenomenal results as a counselor on cases that had been
                > > > given up by others and as an artist as well. Some time after the
                > > > convention I received a copy of a report on the convention made by a
                > > > good friend of mine Bill Ryan, who had been there and also talked to
                > > > Andreas. To my surprise that communication which he presented as a
                > > > "report" contained several falsehoods, alteration and blatant lies.
                > > > These were pointed out to my friend, who, as he refused to correct
                > his
                > > > `false impressions', then started to show his true colors.
                > > >
                > > > Due to the impartial nature of MGT Concepts, Un-ltd they can act as
                > > > Ethics Authority as they have no vested interest in any _one_
                > > > particular technology or philosophy. Money is of no concern to them
                > > > and has evidently never been an issue, they have a temporary
                > operation
                > > > that will close down in 2012 when most beings will again be free.
                > > >
                > > > /"The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that
                > those
                > > > people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family./
                > > >
                > > > /The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst
                > > > Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the
                > place
                > > > on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be.// Because anyone
                > > > who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron
                > s
                > > > purpose on this planet./
                > > >
                > > > /His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to
                > > > their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self
                > > > determined and pan-determined and at cause again."// /Capt. Bill
                > > > Robertson, TECH BRIEFING 1
                > > >
                > > > Andreas Buttler sounds (sings) the same and states the same things
                > as
                > > > LRH in the early days. Whether he really was LRH is a matter of
                > > > individual re-cognition, or what's true for you.
                > > >
                > > > In order to clear the communication lines for the sake of _social_
                > > > beings, Ethics action was undertaken!
                > > >
                > > > Love,
                > > >
                > > > Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,
                > > >
                > > > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops groups@ wrote:
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > > Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must
                > > >
                > > > > create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to
                > clear,
                > > >
                > > > > OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games
                > by
                > > >
                > > > > using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that is your purpose too as
                > Class IX.
                > > >
                > > > > I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate
                > scientology,
                > > >
                > > > > scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this.
                > Im
                > > >
                > > > > proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.
                > > >
                > > > > I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR,
                > tech
                > > >
                > > > > and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > > TECH BRIEFING No 1
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > >
                > > >
                > > > > Frankfurt, 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson>
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >
                > >
                >
              • Timecops
                Dear Andreas. No need put your invalidation of the Class IX terminal, and publicly show your non-confront of the comm (situation). No need to show here
                Message 7 of 14 , Jun 15, 2008
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                  Dear Andreas.
                  No need put your invalidation of the Class IX terminal, and publicly
                  show your non-confront of the comm (situation).
                  No need to show here reaction.
                  If you scientologist - give here info about handling 3rd dynamics
                  situation or still silent.

                  Im personally know Caspar and he know what he do. And personally know Bill.
                  Bill and Caspar are Freezoners - anyway they still respectible persons
                  despite of the some ethics problems toward each other.
                  GP respect any person who move TA and have scientology product for FZ.
                  I wish them communicate any way via this group or others and best -
                  directly via phone, skype, e-mail.


                  moderator

                  --
                  Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
                  http://www.galac-patra.org
                  http://www.timecops.org
                  http://www.0-48.ru
                  ---------------------------------------



                  Andreas Groъ :
                  > <div class="moz-text-flowed" style="font-family: -moz-fixed">Caspar
                  > was already expelled in several forums because of these attacks.
                  >
                  > I put his personal mails on spam. He recently went nuts. Sorry to say
                  > that. But he started to attack his friends.
                  >
                  > yours
                  > Andreas
                  >
                  > fritz schrieb:
                  >> Caspar.
                  >> why don't you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan.
                  >> the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your
                  >> personal bias against Bill, And that you have not even bothered to
                  >> read His and Terry Cassidy's site, except to find something you can
                  >> use to back up your lies.
                  >> If you had read the site, you'd have seen things such as the below
                  >> quoted message on Project Camelot, which completely refutes what you
                  >> claim is the case with Bill.
                  >> Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can
                  >> be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.
                  >> Knock off the personal campaign against Bill. Nobody is interested.
                  >>
                  >> Fritz
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> A personal message from Bill Ryan
                  >>
                  >> Of everything we've published, whether video or text, our summary page
                  >> 2008: The Future is Now was the most difficult and challenging to put
                  >> together and agree on. Kerry and I went through it sentence by
                  >> sentence, reference by reference, line by line, for many, many hours.
                  >> Why so hard?
                  >>
                  >> Because these are the most important issues of our times. We have a
                  >> responsibility to get things right - if we possibly can - and to state
                  >> things in a balanced way. But how to balance the notion that this
                  >> planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble?
                  >>
                  >> Spiritually, of course we are all magnificent immortals - though some
                  >> of us have forgotten and have yet to realize our true nature and
                  >> heritage. We DO spent time here to learn. We DO set up interesting
                  >> situations for ourselves to experience. We DO tend to re-experience
                  >> things which we may have encountered before - and failed to deal with
                  >> then.
                  >>
                  >> This is what 'karma' is: it's not a punishment. It's just another
                  >> chance to learn, if we flunked the lesson the first time. We set these
                  >> things up for ourselves. We are each the directors and producers of
                  >> our own personal movie - as well as being the heroes and heroines.
                  >> Ultimately, there's no-one to blame; blame is an avoidance of our own
                  >> ultimate responsibility for the reality we co-create.
                  >>
                  >> So what's the problem here? Ultimately, what may happen to our
                  >> 'playground' is surely of no consequence. We'll just create another
                  >> one. (What else are we going to do with all the time we have?!)
                  >>
                  >> But here's the core story: there's been a war of good against evil
                  >> going on for millennia, or longer. This planet is now just the current
                  >> 'front' in this war. It's not a final battle, but it feels like an
                  >> important one. Tens of thousands of people have incarnated here
                  >> specifically to help out, to handle what needs to be handled. You,
                  >> reading this, are probably among them.
                  >>
                  >> The Indigo and Crystal Children are just the latest wave. Many of us
                  >> have been around for quite a while. We come from different planets,
                  >> different planes, even different times.
                  >>
                  >> There are certainly "hyperdimensional demonic entities", as Bill
                  >> Deagle terms them. They can play a major unseen role. But what's
                  >> important to remember is that there are more and more positive forces
                  >> that have been liberated and which are fully focused on the situation
                  >> at hand. We can't see them either, but they're on our side.
                  >>
                  >> We may have some rough times ahead physically ("expect disturbances",
                  >> as a psychic friend was told recently), but there will be no
                  >> showstopper. As with a yacht sailing into a Force 8 gale in the
                  >> southern ocean, the opportunity is not only to survive, but for the
                  >> crew to learn, work together, and triumph.
                  >>
                  >> Not to feel like looking at the weather forecast is understandable.
                  >> But I want the crew to know what we're sailing into, and what will be
                  >> asked of them. Because I want us to make it through.
                  >>
                  >> What there is to learn is that we have to take responsibility, act, do
                  >> what we can, realize our purposes, stop being observers. Any
                  >> situations that didn't work out quite so well in previous ages have
                  >> always been because we failed to deal with them at the time. So here
                  >> we have another chance.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Here's a 60 second clip that says it all - Bill Birnes talking with
                  >> George Noory on Coast To Coast AM on 19 June, 2007:
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these entities
                  >> were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
                  >> travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the future.
                  >>
                  >> And that we and they have the same powers, and that was the real
                  >> fear of the government: that we have the ability to manipulate reality
                  >> around us. We've always had that ability, we just didn't know how to
                  >> use it...
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> And there you have it, right from the top. We DO have these powers to
                  >> shape our own reality. Just say no... to the world you don't want to
                  >> see. That starts here, with you, with us together. The future is now.
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...>
                  >> wrote:
                  >>> Hi Maxim,
                  >>>
                  >>> here some more background stuff
                  >>>
                  >>> Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH
                  >>>
                  >>> A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint
                  >>>
                  >>> Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and
                  >>> truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good
                  >>> place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry
                  >>> Cassidy carrying the name.
                  >>>
                  >>> Let's first take a look at their goals:
                  >>>
                  >>> "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet
                  >>> is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the
                  >>> likelihood
                  >>> of significant earth changes in the near future – these being
                  >>> connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which
                  >>> involves
                  >>> various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our intention
                  >>> is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads,
                  >>> and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."
                  >>>
                  >>> Ryan & Cassidy
                  >>>
                  >>> Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY,
                  >>> ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.
                  >>>
                  >>> In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints'
                  >>> in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence
                  >>> revelations of secret agents, aliens etc. These points escape the
                  >>> casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high
                  >>> level
                  >>> of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original (in
                  >>> its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.
                  >>>
                  >>> Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games
                  >>> Master.
                  >>>
                  >>> When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state
                  >>> there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)
                  >>>
                  >>> What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as
                  >>> well
                  >>> as REAL predictions and future trends. These are realistically or as
                  >>> they say `truthfully' presented. I am not saying it is bad or
                  >>> that they are lying.
                  >>>
                  >>> Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON
                  >>> APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms
                  >>> REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and
                  >>> agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being
                  >>> the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical
                  >>> universe:
                  >>>
                  >>> "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF
                  >>> CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE
                  >>> PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE
                  >>> THEM."
                  >>>
                  >>> The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet
                  >>> possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and
                  >>> have opinions.
                  >>>
                  >>> For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as
                  >>> laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?"
                  >>> after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a
                  >>> "REAL"nature.
                  >>>
                  >>> Ryan's Law I:
                  >>>
                  >>> Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable
                  >>> by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.
                  >>>
                  >>> But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of
                  >>> thought
                  >>> ….
                  >>>
                  >>> Ryan's Law II:
                  >>>
                  >>> What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism…
                  >>> all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.
                  >>>
                  >>> Ryan's Law III:
                  >>>
                  >>> It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting of
                  >>> the least worst timeline...
                  >>>
                  >>> These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human'
                  >>> viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.
                  >>>
                  >>> The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course the
                  >>> factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't
                  >>> be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities
                  >>> and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret
                  >>> government'.
                  >>>
                  >>> And that is why I have said in a recent email:
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government
                  >>> sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the
                  >>> Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell
                  >>> you
                  >>> beware! Be aware!
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that
                  >>> define an
                  >>> unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on secret
                  >>> orders from the invisible, secret government."
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing
                  >>> bad
                  >>> conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that
                  >>> can be
                  >>> done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS,
                  >>> UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to make.
                  >>>
                  >>> Caspar de Rijk,
                  >>>
                  >>> CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops <groups@> wrote:
                  >>>> Caspar, thanks for clearing your vision.
                  >>>> FZ will grow.
                  >>>>
                  >>>> --
                  >>>> Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
                  >>>> http://www.galac-patra.org
                  >>>> http://www.timecops.org
                  >>>> http://www.0-48.ru
                  >>>> ---------------------------------------
                  >>>>
                  >>>>
                  >>>>
                  >>>> amicalis1 ÐÉÛÅÔ:
                  >>>>> Hi Maxim, thanks for posting TB1, to create and help create people
                  >>> is
                  >>>>> also my purpose. Andreas Buttler and Spiritologie are in alignment
                  >>>>> with the Scientology Basics and Buttler would not invalidate LRH, he
                  >>>>> does not agree with all of Capt. Bill -- but does not invalidate
                  >>> him.
                  >>>>> I think putting in Ethics in the Freezone when needed is in
                  >>> alignment
                  >>>>> with what Capt. Bill would have done, just look at the early OTC
                  >>>>> records. A Freezoner telling destructive lies about another FZer is
                  >>> in
                  >>>>> my opinion a good target for Ethics and that is what I have been
                  >>>>> applying recently. And some people were shocked???
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> **
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> *Multi Genius Technologies and Ethics*
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> or Why re-introduce `old fashioned' Ethics?
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd providing several alternative
                  >>>>> technologies in the same Birega Haus could not operate unless there
                  >>> is
                  >>>>> mutual respect and null invalidation of alternative technologies. It
                  >>>>> can easily be seen how that would be counterproductive. In actual
                  >>>>> practice we do have a smooth operation with scientologists,
                  >>>>> ex-scientologists, Dianeticists, R3X practitioners, Pilot people,
                  >>>>> Idenics clients, Ron's Org people etc happily working alongside of
                  >>>>> each other.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> This was only briefly interrupted in few occasions by a few who
                  >>>>> instantly attacked what they perceived as not corresponding to
                  >>> _their
                  >>>>> one and only `truth'_, despite having agreed already to the MGT
                  >>>>> Principles of respect for different realities! This did for some
                  >>>>> brief moments seem to disturb the Multi Genius co-creative
                  >>> atmosphere,
                  >>>>> but we were even tolerant of that much diversity. This was before as
                  >>>>> well as after the FZ Convention.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> In a supermarket to use a mundane comparison, one has different and
                  >>>>> competing brands tolerantly laying next to each other in utter peace
                  >>>>> subjecting themselves to the scrutiny of the beholding customers.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Why would some in our Spiritual Supermarket be intolerant of another
                  >>>>> brand. It was observed that all three of these few beings were eager
                  >>>>> to spread false and misleading reports on one of our alternatives in
                  >>>>> particular when this variant was producing rave exuberant happiness
                  >>>>> and results. There were few only, about 1,5 %.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> These facts actually came to light only when we introduced a `new
                  >>> kid
                  >>>>> on the block' with the name of Andreas Buttler with the new
                  >>> technology
                  >>>>> he developed called Spiritologie.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Hubbard and others, amongst which notable psychologists, observed
                  >>>>> this phenomena and gave it different names. Due to my background as
                  >>>>> Hubbardian, I chose that terminology and quote some pertinent
                  >>>>> statements from his writings:
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /"Characteristic of _social beings_ is the passing of communication
                  >>>>> without much alteration and if deleting anything tends to delete
                  >>>>> injurious matters. The social personality is eager to relay good
                  >>> news
                  >>>>> and reluctant to relay bad. He may not even bother to pass along
                  >>>>> criticism when it does not matter." // /HCOB 27 SEPTEMBER 1966 THE
                  >>>>> ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harm by lies". LRH /
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> (HCOB 600208 HONEST PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTS TOO)
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /Our justice really rehabilitates in the long run. It only
                  >>> disciplines
                  >>>>> those who are hurting others and gives them a way to change so they
                  >>>>> can eventually win too -- but not by hurting us./
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its
                  >>>>> administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will
                  >>>>> continue to be too enturbulated to do his job./
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> HCO PL 27 MARCH 1965 THE JUSTICE OF SCIENTOLOGY ITS USE AND PURPOSE
                  >>>>> BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /"Without justice there can be no real organization. Even a
                  >>> government
                  >>>>> owes its people an operating climate in which human transactions and
                  >>>>> business can occur....Where insane and criminal individuals operate
                  >>>>> unchecked in the community ... .. The whole task of justice is to
                  >>>>> defend the honest man." // /HCO PL 14.12.70 GROUP SANITY
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Andreas Buttler, became a friend of ours last year and quite
                  >>> respected
                  >>>>> due to his phenomenal results as a counselor on cases that had been
                  >>>>> given up by others and as an artist as well. Some time after the
                  >>>>> convention I received a copy of a report on the convention made by a
                  >>>>> good friend of mine Bill Ryan, who had been there and also talked to
                  >>>>> Andreas. To my surprise that communication which he presented as a
                  >>>>> "report" contained several falsehoods, alteration and blatant lies.
                  >>>>> These were pointed out to my friend, who, as he refused to correct
                  >>> his
                  >>>>> `false impressions', then started to show his true colors.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Due to the impartial nature of MGT Concepts, Un-ltd they can act as
                  >>>>> Ethics Authority as they have no vested interest in any _one_
                  >>>>> particular technology or philosophy. Money is of no concern to them
                  >>>>> and has evidently never been an issue, they have a temporary
                  >>> operation
                  >>>>> that will close down in 2012 when most beings will again be free.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /"The lies spread about LRH are proportional to the overts, that
                  >>> those
                  >>>>> people, who spread the lies, have done against him and his family./
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /The people, who transmit or relay the lies especially amongst
                  >>>>> Scientologists, are merely people who probably have not made the
                  >>> place
                  >>>>> on the grade chart, where they are supposed to be.// Because anyone
                  >>>>> who has gains from Scientology and real wins or abilities, knows Ron
                  >>> s
                  >>>>> purpose on this planet./
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> /His first duty was to help thetans to rehabilitate and go back to
                  >>>>> their native state, and that it was in fact a way to become self
                  >>>>> determined and pan-determined and at cause again."// /Capt. Bill
                  >>>>> Robertson, TECH BRIEFING 1
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Andreas Buttler sounds (sings) the same and states the same things
                  >>> as
                  >>>>> LRH in the early days. Whether he really was LRH is a matter of
                  >>>>> individual re-cognition, or what's true for you.
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> In order to clear the communication lines for the sake of _social_
                  >>>>> beings, Ethics action was undertaken!
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Love,
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> Caspar de Rijk, Class IX,
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>> --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, Timecops groups@ wrote:
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>> Thanks Caspar for your data, I understand your intentions. We must
                  >>>>>> create a lot good effects, which grow (up) this planet close to
                  >>> clear,
                  >>>>>> OT-planet. Create and help to create people not abberative games
                  >>> by
                  >>>>>> using Ethics, Tech, Admin. I hope that is your purpose too as
                  >>> Class IX.
                  >>>>>> I hope Andreas Buttler (spiritologist) will not invalidate
                  >>> scientology,
                  >>>>>> scientologists , LRH, CBR because only suppresive being do this.
                  >>> Im
                  >>>>>> proud that I know you personaly and you very real for me.
                  >>>>>> I want to give here for all list members Tech Briefing 1 by CBR,
                  >>> tech
                  >>>>>> and admin briefings very important for Hat (hatting) FZ member:
                  >>>>>> TECH BRIEFING No 1
                  >>>>>> Frankfurt, 12th October 1984 by Capt. Bill Robertson>
                  >>>>>
                  >>>>>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ------------------------------------
                  >>
                  >> Galac Patra international group, all information about Scientology.
                  >> Sites, materials, news. Members - only close friends Free Zone.
                  >> (Conference not for discussions). Language - English.
                  >> http://www.galac-patra.org
                  >>
                  >> Get Skype and call for free http://www.skype.com/
                  >> Global access to any information http://www.emule-project.net
                  >> ---Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  > </div>
                • thetamag
                  Dear Maxim, You speak right. I think the biggest problem we have right now is the lack of Admin tech. And mission Tech in the Freezone. I am willing to
                  Message 8 of 14 , Jun 15, 2008
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                    Dear Maxim,

                     

                    You speak right. I think the biggest problem we have right now is the lack of Admin tech. And mission Tech in the Freezone. I am willing to contribute by organizing such a thing. That is a 7 Division Org Board. Accumulating data and identities of Freezoners, ex-Scientologists etc.

                     

                    As far as I can see you are an expert in Computers and on the Internet. You can set up sites if I am not mistaken. I see your care for Scientology. Maybe we can organize it without it taking sides right now but knowing where each one stands and what are their stats. I am very concerned about the situation even in the church. There has been many staff who are bullied by David Miscavige and no one speaks out. You possibly could forward all those stories to Scientologists as there are many Russians who are willing to contribute in the movement and we can do something about it.

                     

                    Also, there is a legal case which the Department (our Department) of legal affairs can bring against the church on a gradient. This is the case of Fraud. Scientologists have been cheated, fooled and still are by not delivering what’s promised.

                     

                    I think if we target the right enemies we will win. The right target and the biggest one is David Miscavige and those behind him, those who support him. Definitely the IRS has to do with it.

                     

                    By collecting hundreds of people who want to contribute on that movement (not just legal) but an Org Board for the whole Scientology outside the church we can make a big  impact and collect and connect many people to each other so that they can have auditing.

                     

                    I think you are the right person who can help me do it. I think, I have the idea of the Org Board and how it can be manned. We just need to furnish information to people as to where the auditors are and the auditors can give us information as to what they audit, what they did, where they can go for a mission and we start connecting people up. All 7 Divisions can be  manned up. This Org will not be delivering Auditing or Courses but it can guide people to auditors and classes to be taken. I can design such an org board and send it to you.

                     

                    Let me hear from you.

                     

                    Much Love,

                    Theo Sismanides

                     

                  • Timecops
                    okey *Theo*, we have http://www.0-48.ru for any FZ purposes, I can put any amount of info here. And check this http://www.freezoneauditors.org/ we could talk
                    Message 9 of 14 , Jun 16, 2008
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                      okey Theo, we have http://www.0-48.ru for any FZ purposes,
                      I can put any amount of info here.

                      And check this
                      http://www.freezoneauditors.org/

                      we could talk about details by Skype, my contact: timecops
                      or give me your phone.
                      -- 
                      Sincerely yours, Maxim Lebedev, Moscow
                      http://www.galac-patra.org
                      http://www.timecops.org
                      http://www.0-48.ru
                      ---------------------------------------


                      thetamag пишет:

                      Dear Maxim,

                       

                      You speak right. I think the biggest problem we have right now is the lack of Admin tech. And mission Tech in the Freezone. I am willing to contribute by organizing such a thing. That is a 7 Division Org Board. Accumulating data and identities of Freezoners, ex-Scientologists etc.

                       

                      As far as I can see you are an expert in Computers and on the Internet. You can set up sites if I am not mistaken. I see your care for Scientology. Maybe we can organize it without it taking sides right now but knowing where each one stands and what are their stats. I am very concerned about the situation even in the church. There has been many staff who are bullied by David Miscavige and no one speaks out. You possibly could forward all those stories to Scientologists as there are many Russians who are willing to contribute in the movement and we can do something about it.

                       

                      Also, there is a legal case which the Department (our Department) of legal affairs can bring against the church on a gradient. This is the case of Fraud. Scientologists have been cheated, fooled and still are by not delivering what’s promised.

                       

                      I think if we target the right enemies we will win. The right target and the biggest one is David Miscavige and those behind him, those who support him. Definitely the IRS has to do with it.

                       

                      By collecting hundreds of people who want to contribute on that movement (not just legal) but an Org Board for the whole Scientology outside the church we can make a big  impact and collect and connect many people to each other so that they can have auditing.

                       

                      I think you are the right person who can help me do it. I think, I have the idea of the Org Board and how it can be manned. We just need to furnish information to people as to where the auditors are and the auditors can give us information as to what they audit, what they did, where they can go for a mission and we start connecting people up. All 7 Divisions can be  manned up. This Org will not be delivering Auditing or Courses but it can guide people to auditors and classes to be taken. I can design such an org board and send it to you.

                       

                      Let me hear from you.

                       

                      Much Love,

                      Theo Sismanides

                       

                    • amicalis1
                      Dear Fritz, Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT s can be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway. I agree
                      Message 10 of 14 , Jun 16, 2008
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                        Dear Fritz,

                         

                        "Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway. "

                        I agree if that is how you see it and fine. I have nothing against Bill personally and we have been good friends over time.

                        I see from Bill's personal message which you quote that he points out the spiritual side and some hopefactors and positive notes as well.

                        There is no personal campaign either. There is just an actual OT viewpoint I am communicating.

                        Take f.ex. the LG or Looking Glass Device to see into the future. This is a mechanical gadget, the future is created by the considerations of living beings and that is read.

                        When people start agreeing with these authorities predicting all kinds of bad things and timelines for mankind such as "the notion that this planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble". It may become reality!! As we create the future, right now.

                        And in that sense Bill Ryan and Co would be working for the secret government, you see. What's wrong with working for the government anyway?  J

                        Besides `hyperdimensional demonic entities' could play a major unseen role in Bill Ryan's and others' perceptions. This may even explain the False Reports we have seen from him on the subject of Spiritologie ( similar to basic scientology).

                        As that's how it works…. We are amongst scientologists aren't we?

                        Why would an actual OT be looking through a mechanical gadget to see the future when such a being would at least be cause over time. These people like Bill Ryan just don't look from an OT viewpoint at all, most is observing effects like a lot of scientists do. I am not saying all.

                        I am not saying these observations are not real or incorrect.

                        I just repeat what an actual OT would know that "Considerations are senior to mechanics"!

                        Love,

                        Caspar

                         

                         

                        Re: Ethics in the Freezone

                         

                        Caspar.

                        why don't you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan.

                        the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your
                        personal bias against Bill, And that you have not even bothered to
                        read His and Terry Cassidy's site, except to find something you can
                        use to back up your lies.

                        If you had read the site, you'd have seen things such as the below
                        quoted message on Project Camelot, which completely refutes what you
                        claim is the case with Bill.

                        Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can
                        be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.

                        Knock off the personal campaign against Bill. Nobody is interested.

                        Fritz


                        A personal message from Bill Ryan

                        Of everything we've published, whether video or text, our summary page
                        2008: The Future is Now was the most difficult and challenging to put
                        together and agree on. Kerry and I went through it sentence by
                        sentence, reference by reference, line by line, for many, many hours.
                        Why so hard?

                        Because these are the most important issues of our times. We have a
                        responsibility to get things right - if we possibly can - and to state
                        things in a balanced way. But how to balance the notion that this
                        planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble?

                        Spiritually, of course we are all magnificent immortals - though some
                        of us have forgotten and have yet to realize our true nature and
                        heritage. We DO spent time here to learn. We DO set up interesting
                        situations for ourselves to experience. We DO tend to re-experience
                        things which we may have encountered before - and failed to deal with
                        then.

                        This is what 'karma' is: it's not a punishment. It's just another
                        chance to learn, if we flunked the lesson the first time. We set these
                        things up for ourselves. We are each the directors and producers of
                        our own personal movie - as well as being the heroes and heroines.
                        Ultimately, there's no-one to blame; blame is an avoidance of our own
                        ultimate responsibility for the reality we co-create.

                        So what's the problem here? Ultimately, what may happen to our
                        'playground' is surely of no consequence. We'll just create another
                        one. (What else are we going to do with all the time we have?!)

                        But here's the core story: there's been a war of good against evil
                        going on for millennia, or longer. This planet is now just the current
                        'front' in this war. It's not a final battle, but it feels like an
                        important one.
                        Tens of thousands of people have incarnated here
                        specifically to help out, to handle what needs to be handled. You,
                        reading this, are probably among them.

                        The Indigo and Crystal Children are just the latest wave. Many of us
                        have been around for quite a while. We come from different planets,
                        different planes, even different times.

                        There are certainly "hyperdimensional demonic entities", as Bill
                        Deagle terms them. They can play a major unseen role.
                        But what's
                        important to remember is that there are more and more positive forces
                        that have been liberated and which are fully focused on the situation
                        at hand. We can't see them either, but they're on our side.

                        We may have some rough times ahead physically ("expect disturbances",
                        as a psychic friend was told recently), but there will be no
                        showstopper. As with a yacht sailing into a Force 8 gale in the
                        southern ocean, the opportunity is not only to survive, but for the
                        crew to learn, work together, and triumph.

                        Not to feel like looking at the weather forecast is understandable.
                        But I want the crew to know what we're sailing into, and what will be
                        asked of them. Because I want us to make it through.

                        What there is to learn is that we have to take responsibility, act, do
                        what we can, realize our purposes, stop being observers. Any
                        situations that didn't work out quite so well in previous ages have
                        always been because we failed to deal with them at the time. So here
                        we have another chance.



                        Here's a 60 second clip that says it all - Bill Birnes talking with
                        George Noory on Coast To Coast AM on 19 June, 2007:



                        Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these entities
                        were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
                        travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the future.

                        And that we and they have the same powers, and that was the real
                        fear of the government: that we have the ability to manipulate reality
                        around us. We've always had that ability, we just didn't know how to
                        use it...



                        And there you have it, right from the top. We DO have these powers to
                        shape our own reality. Just say no... to the world you don't want to
                        see. That starts here, with you, with us together. The future is now.





                        --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi Maxim,
                        >
                        > here some more background stuff
                        >
                        > Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH
                        >
                        > A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint
                        >
                        > Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and
                        > truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good
                        > place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry
                        > Cassidy carrying the name.
                        >
                        > Let's first take a look at their goals:
                        >
                        > "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet
                        > is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the likelihood
                        > of significant earth changes in the near future – these being
                        > connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which involves
                        > various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our intention
                        > is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads,
                        > and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."
                        >
                        > Ryan & Cassidy
                        >
                        > Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY,
                        > ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.
                        >
                        > In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints'
                        > in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence
                        > revelations of secret agents, aliens etc. These points escape the
                        > casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high level
                        > of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original (in
                        > its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.
                        >
                        > Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games
                        > Master.
                        >
                        > When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state
                        > there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)
                        >
                        > What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as well
                        > as REAL predictions and future trends. These are realistically or as
                        > they say `truthfully' presented. I am not saying it is bad or
                        > that they are lying.
                        >
                        > Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON
                        > APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms
                        > REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and
                        > agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being
                        > the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical
                        > universe:
                        >
                        > "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF
                        > CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE
                        > PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE
                        > THEM."
                        >
                        > The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet
                        > possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and
                        > have opinions.
                        >
                        > For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as
                        > laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?"
                        > after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a
                        > "REAL"nature.
                        >
                        > Ryan's Law I:
                        >
                        > Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable
                        > by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.
                        >
                        > But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of thought
                        > ….
                        >
                        > Ryan's Law II:
                        >
                        > What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism…
                        > all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.
                        >
                        > Ryan's Law III:
                        >
                        > It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting of
                        > the least worst timeline...
                        >
                        > These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human'
                        > viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.
                        >
                        > The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course the
                        > factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't
                        > be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities
                        > and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret
                        > government'.
                        >
                        > And that is why I have said in a recent email:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government
                        > sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the
                        > Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you
                        > beware! Be aware!
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that define an
                        > unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on secret
                        > orders from the invisible, secret government."
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing bad
                        > conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that can be
                        > done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS,
                        > UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to make.
                        >
                        > Caspar de Rijk,
                        >
                        > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd

                         

                         

                      • amicalis1
                        Repost with LINK working Dear Fritz, Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT s can be aware of what they are up against, and make it
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                          Dear Fritz,

                          "Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway. "

                          I agree if that is how you see it and fine. I have nothing against Bill personally and we have been good friends over time.

                          I see from Bill's personal message which you quote that he points out the spiritual side and some hopefactors and positive notes as well.

                          There is no personal campaign either. There is just an actual  OT viewpoint  I am communicating.

                          Take f.ex. the LG or Looking Glass Device to see into the future. This is a mechanical gadget, the future is created by the considerations of living beings and that is read.

                          When people start agreeing with these authorities predicting all kinds of bad things and timelines for mankind such as "the notion that this planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble". It may become reality!! As we create the future, right now.

                          And in that sense Bill Ryan and Co would be working for the secret government, you see. What's wrong with working for the government anyway?  J

                          Besides `hyperdimensional demonic entities' could play a major unseen role in Bill Ryan's and others' perceptions. This may even explain the False Reports we have seen from him on the subject of Spiritologie ( similar to basic scientology).

                          As that's how it works…. We are amongst scientologists aren't we?

                          Why would an actual OT be looking through a mechanical gadget to see the future when such a being would at least be cause over time. These people like Bill Ryan just don't look from an OT viewpoint at all, most is observing effects like a lot of scientists do. I am not saying all.

                          I am not saying these observations are not real or incorrect.

                          I just repeat what an actual OT would know that "Considerations are senior to mechanics"!

                          Love,

                          Caspar

                          Re: Ethics in the Freezone

                          Caspar.

                          why don't you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan.

                          the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your
                          personal bias against Bill, And that you have not even bothered to
                          read His and Terry Cassidy's site, except to find something you can
                          use to back up your lies.

                          If you had read the site, you'd have seen things such as the below
                          quoted message on Project Camelot, which completely refutes what you
                          claim is the case with Bill.

                          Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can
                          be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.

                          Knock off the personal campaign against Bill. Nobody is interested.

                          Fritz


                          A personal message from Bill Ryan

                          Of everything we've published, whether video or text, our summary page
                          2008: The Future is Now was the most difficult and challenging to put
                          together and agree on. Kerry and I went through it sentence by
                          sentence, reference by reference, line by line, for many, many hours.
                          Why so hard?

                          Because these are the most important issues of our times. We have a
                          responsibility to get things right - if we possibly can - and to state
                          things in a balanced way. But how to balance the notion that this
                          planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble?

                          Spiritually, of course we are all magnificent immortals - though some
                          of us have forgotten and have yet to realize our true nature and
                          heritage. We DO spent time here to learn. We DO set up interesting
                          situations for ourselves to experience. We DO tend to re-experience
                          things which we may have encountered before - and failed to deal with
                          then.

                          This is what 'karma' is: it's not a punishment. It's just another
                          chance to learn, if we flunked the lesson the first time. We set these
                          things up for ourselves. We are each the directors and producers of
                          our own personal movie - as well as being the heroes and heroines.
                          Ultimately, there's no-one to blame; blame is an avoidance of our own
                          ultimate responsibility for the reality we co-create.

                          So what's the problem here? Ultimately, what may happen to our
                          'playground' is surely of no consequence. We'll just create another
                          one. (What else are we going to do with all the time we have?!)

                          But here's the core story: there's been a war of good against evil
                          going on for millennia, or longer. This planet is now just the current
                          'front' in this war. It's not a final battle, but it feels like an
                          important one.
                          Tens of thousands of people have incarnated here
                          specifically to help out, to handle what needs to be handled. You,
                          reading this, are probably among them.

                          The Indigo and Crystal Children are just the latest wave. Many of us
                          have been around for quite a while. We come from different planets,
                          different planes, even different times.

                          There are certainly "hyperdimensional demonic entities", as Bill
                          Deagle terms them. They can play a major unseen role.
                          But what's
                          important to remember is that there are more and more positive forces
                          that have been liberated and which are fully focused on the situation
                          at hand. We can't see them either, but they're on our side.

                          We may have some rough times ahead physically ("expect disturbances",
                          as a psychic friend was told recently), but there will be no
                          showstopper. As with a yacht sailing into a Force 8 gale in the
                          southern ocean, the opportunity is not only to survive, but for the
                          crew to learn, work together, and triumph.

                          Not to feel like looking at the weather forecast is understandable.
                          But I want the crew to know what we're sailing into, and what will be
                          asked of them. Because I want us to make it through.

                          What there is to learn is that we have to take responsibility, act, do
                          what we can, realize our purposes, stop being observers. Any
                          situations that didn't work out quite so well in previous ages have
                          always been because we failed to deal with them at the time. So here
                          we have another chance.



                          Here's a 60 second clip that says it all - Bill Birnes talking with
                          George Noory on Coast To Coast AM on 19 June, 2007:



                          Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these entities
                          were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
                          travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the future.

                          And that we and they have the same powers, and that was the real
                          fear of the government: that we have the ability to manipulate reality
                          around us. We've always had that ability, we just didn't know how to
                          use it...



                          And there you have it, right from the top. We DO have these powers to
                          shape our own reality. Just say no... to the world you don't want to
                          see. That starts here, with you, with us together. The future is now.





                          --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...> wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > Hi Maxim,
                          >
                          > here some more background stuff
                          >
                          > Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH
                          >
                          > A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint
                          >
                          > Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and
                          > truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good
                          > place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry
                          > Cassidy carrying the name.
                          >
                          > Let's first take a look at their goals:
                          >
                          > "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet
                          > is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the likelihood
                          > of significant earth changes in the near future – these being
                          > connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which involves
                          > various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our intention
                          > is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads,
                          > and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."
                          >
                          > Ryan & Cassidy
                          >
                          > Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY,
                          > ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.
                          >
                          > In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints'
                          > in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence
                          > revelations of secret agents, aliens etc. These points escape the
                          > casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high level
                          > of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original (in
                          > its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.
                          >
                          > Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games
                          > Master.
                          >
                          > When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state
                          > there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)
                          >
                          > What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as well
                          > as REAL predictions and future trends. These are realistically or as
                          > they say `truthfully' presented. I am not saying it is bad or
                          > that they are lying.
                          >
                          > Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON
                          > APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms
                          > REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and
                          > agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being
                          > the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical
                          > universe:
                          >
                          > "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF
                          > CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE
                          > PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE
                          > THEM."
                          >
                          > The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet
                          > possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and
                          > have opinions.
                          >
                          > For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as
                          > laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?"
                          > after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a
                          > "REAL"nature.
                          >
                          > Ryan's Law I:
                          >
                          > Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable
                          > by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.
                          >
                          > But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of thought
                          > ….
                          >
                          > Ryan's Law II:
                          >
                          > What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism…
                          > all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.
                          >
                          > Ryan's Law III:
                          >
                          > It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting of
                          > the least worst timeline...
                          >
                          > These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human'
                          > viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.
                          >
                          > The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course the
                          > factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't
                          > be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities
                          > and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret
                          > government'.
                          >
                          > And that is why I have said in a recent email:
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government
                          > sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the
                          > Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell you
                          > beware! Be aware!
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that define an
                          > unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on secret
                          > orders from the invisible, secret government."
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing bad
                          > conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that can be
                          > done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS,
                          > UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to make.
                          >
                          > Caspar de Rijk,
                          >
                          > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd

                        • fritz
                          Thanks for the comm, Caspar. Much of what you say below is true, however my original suggestion that you take a closer look at http://www.projectcamelot.org/
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                            Thanks for the comm, Caspar.

                            Much of what you say below is true, however my original suggestion
                            that you take a closer look at http://www.projectcamelot.org/ remains
                            and is reinforced.

                            Bill and his partners main message on "camelot" is that these games
                            are going on behind the scenes here and that since we create our own
                            future, we should be aware of what's being created so we can out
                            create them.

                            They also point out many who are working very hard to create a safe
                            space here, free from the oppression of a few with very evil intent.

                            What the Freezone doesn't need is people who believe it's there place
                            to point out who's right and who's wrong.

                            Differing viewpoints and approaches are simply that, and need not
                            necessarily always be dragged down to who's right and who's wrong.

                            I couldn't help notice that your own affiliations have shifted a few
                            times over the years, going from LRH, to CBR, To Andreas. Fine.
                            viewpoints shift, new viewpoints can be entertained. doesn't mean
                            anyone is wrong. Data of comparable magnitude needed to learn, and all
                            that.

                            I understand Considerations and mechanics, and actually belong to a
                            research group that has taken those conditions of existence apart at
                            the seams and really put them under a microscope, with astonishing
                            results. They are basic and some of LRH's best work, but they are not
                            the most basic view of the same concepts.

                            What you say and imply about Bill And Camelot is simply not true. a
                            closer look at the site shows that very quickly. I've watched every
                            video, read every article, and followed every link and the picture I
                            get from having done that, is much different than the one you paint
                            with comments like "what an ACTUAL OT" would do or see or whatever.

                            the actual message is that we do in fact create our future, and since
                            there are those who postulate a very different future for us, it
                            behooves us to get our asses in gear and get creating the future we
                            want to see.

                            And I'd add personally that it behooves us to try to get along and
                            stop trying to demonize one another with SP declares and crap like
                            that. There are a small number of individuals who seem intent on
                            applying some of the draconian aspects from the darker period in the
                            church, to the freezone. No offence to anyone here, but I've noticed
                            quite a few who came up through CBR's structure who "see" SP's were
                            there are none. Why create SP's at all. Actual OT's don't do that,
                            unless they've been mislead.

                            I don't know anything about Andreas except for what you've promoted,
                            but the most telling comm I saw on that "evidence" of Bill's state of
                            SP, was one of Andreas' communications to Bill, wherein he threatened
                            to choke him, if I'm not mistaken, or misreading.

                            How about people who have the same basic purposes being a little more
                            embracing of others, even where the methodology doesn't exactly line
                            up. Goals and purposes are senior to all the other points on the
                            scale. different people may have different projects on the go, and as
                            long as they forward more freedom and ability and theta, they are all
                            basically on the same side.

                            I'd like to see an end to the demonizing of Bill Ryan, because he's on
                            our side, and if you persist, it will likely continue to simply
                            reflect badly on you. I don't know you, but those who do, tell me you
                            are a good guy too. Andreas I know nothing about, except what you've
                            said, and what I saw in that Email chain you copied in your attack on
                            Bill.

                            We're all on the same side. We just need to broaden what "our side"
                            includes, because anything that sets us at each others throats, is
                            what actually forwards the "secret Government" agenda.

                            As Bill and Kerry point out, along with all the other brave beings who
                            came forward with some important information, the bad guys game is
                            very well along, and our window of opportunity is small right now.

                            Lets all work together.

                            Fritz




                            --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Fritz,
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > "Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's
                            > can be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.
                            > "
                            >
                            > I agree if that is how you see it and fine. I have nothing against Bill
                            > personally and we have been good friends over time.
                            >
                            > I see from Bill's personal message which you quote that he points
                            > out the spiritual side and some hopefactors and positive notes as well.
                            >
                            > There is no personal campaign either. There is just an actual OT
                            > viewpoint
                            >
                            <file:///I:/My%20Documents/1%20ACTION%20FILES/Current%20Webwork/Hosted%2\
                            > 0Sites/mgt/events/Open_Space/Camelot_Ryan_vs_LRH.htm> I am
                            > communicating.
                            >
                            > Take f.ex. the LG or Looking Glass Device to see into the future. This
                            > is a mechanical gadget, the future is created by the considerations of
                            > living beings and that is read.
                            >
                            > When people start agreeing with these authorities predicting all kinds
                            > of bad things and timelines for mankind such as "the notion that
                            > this planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble". It
                            > may become reality!! As we create the future, right now.
                            >
                            > And in that sense Bill Ryan and Co would be working for the secret
                            > government, you see. What's wrong with working for the government
                            > anyway? J
                            >
                            > Besides `hyperdimensional demonic entities' could play a major
                            > unseen role in Bill Ryan's and others' perceptions. This may
                            > even explain the False Reports we have seen from him on the subject of
                            > Spiritologie ( similar to basic scientology).
                            >
                            > As that's how it works…. We are amongst scientologists
                            > aren't we?
                            >
                            > Why would an actual OT be looking through a mechanical gadget to see the
                            > future when such a being would at least be cause over time. These people
                            > like Bill Ryan just don't look from an OT viewpoint at all, most is
                            > observing effects like a lot of scientists do. I am not saying all.
                            >
                            > I am not saying these observations are not real or incorrect.
                            >
                            > I just repeat what an actual OT
                            >
                            <file:///I:/My%20Documents/1%20ACTION%20FILES/Current%20Webwork/Hosted%2\
                            > 0Sites/mgt/events/Open_Space/Camelot_Ryan_vs_LRH.htm> would know that
                            > "Considerations are senior to mechanics"!
                            >
                            > Love,
                            >
                            > Caspar
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Re: Ethics in the Freezone
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Caspar.
                            >
                            > why don't you quit with your black PR and 3rd party of Bill Ryan.
                            >
                            > the stuff you choose to highlight from Project Camelot just shows your
                            > personal bias against Bill, And that you have not even bothered to
                            > read His and Terry Cassidy's site, except to find something you can
                            > use to back up your lies.
                            >
                            > If you had read the site, you'd have seen things such as the below
                            > quoted message on Project Camelot, which completely refutes what you
                            > claim is the case with Bill.
                            >
                            > Bill does good work, and only points out what is going on so OT's can
                            > be aware of what they are up against, and make it go right anyway.
                            >
                            > Knock off the personal campaign against Bill. Nobody is interested.
                            >
                            > Fritz
                            >
                            >
                            > A personal message from Bill Ryan
                            >
                            > Of everything we've published, whether video or text, our summary page
                            > 2008: The Future is Now was the most difficult and challenging to put
                            > together and agree on. Kerry and I went through it sentence by
                            > sentence, reference by reference, line by line, for many, many hours.
                            > Why so hard?
                            >
                            > Because these are the most important issues of our times. We have a
                            > responsibility to get things right - if we possibly can - and to state
                            > things in a balanced way. But how to balance the notion that this
                            > planet, and the human race, might be in very big trouble?
                            >
                            > Spiritually, of course we are all magnificent immortals - though some
                            > of us have forgotten and have yet to realize our true nature and
                            > heritage. We DO spent time here to learn. We DO set up interesting
                            > situations for ourselves to experience. We DO tend to re-experience
                            > things which we may have encountered before - and failed to deal with
                            > then.
                            >
                            > This is what 'karma' is: it's not a punishment. It's just another
                            > chance to learn, if we flunked the lesson the first time. We set these
                            > things up for ourselves. We are each the directors and producers of
                            > our own personal movie - as well as being the heroes and heroines.
                            > Ultimately, there's no-one to blame; blame is an avoidance of our own
                            > ultimate responsibility for the reality we co-create.
                            >
                            > So what's the problem here? Ultimately, what may happen to our
                            > 'playground' is surely of no consequence. We'll just create another
                            > one. (What else are we going to do with all the time we have?!)
                            >
                            > But here's the core story: there's been a war of good against evil
                            > going on for millennia, or longer. This planet is now just the current
                            > 'front' in this war. It's not a final battle, but it feels like an
                            > important one. Tens of thousands of people have incarnated here
                            > specifically to help out, to handle what needs to be handled. You,
                            > reading this, are probably among them.
                            >
                            > The Indigo and Crystal Children are just the latest wave. Many of us
                            > have been around for quite a while. We come from different planets,
                            > different planes, even different times.
                            >
                            > There are certainly "hyperdimensional demonic entities", as Bill
                            > Deagle terms them. They can play a major unseen role. But what's
                            > important to remember is that there are more and more positive forces
                            > that have been liberated and which are fully focused on the situation
                            > at hand. We can't see them either, but they're on our side.
                            >
                            > We may have some rough times ahead physically ("expect disturbances",
                            > as a psychic friend was told recently), but there will be no
                            > showstopper. As with a yacht sailing into a Force 8 gale in the
                            > southern ocean, the opportunity is not only to survive, but for the
                            > crew to learn, work together, and triumph.
                            >
                            > Not to feel like looking at the weather forecast is understandable.
                            > But I want the crew to know what we're sailing into, and what will be
                            > asked of them. Because I want us to make it through.
                            >
                            > What there is to learn is that we have to take responsibility, act, do
                            > what we can, realize our purposes, stop being observers. Any
                            > situations that didn't work out quite so well in previous ages have
                            > always been because we failed to deal with them at the time. So here
                            > we have another chance.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Here's a 60 second clip that says it all - Bill Birnes talking with
                            > George Noory on Coast To Coast AM on 19 June, 2007:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > Admiral George Hoover, ONI ... said he KNEW that these entities
                            > were not so much interplanetary, but they were literally time
                            > travelers, and the big secret is that they were us from the future.
                            >
                            > And that we and they have the same powers, and that was the real
                            > fear of the government: that we have the ability to manipulate reality
                            > around us. We've always had that ability, we just didn't know how to
                            > use it...
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > And there you have it, right from the top. We DO have these powers to
                            > shape our own reality. Just say no... to the world you don't want to
                            > see. That starts here, with you, with us together. The future is now.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com
                            >
                            <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Galac_Patra/post?postID=ozxReb-SyjsgSqZ9Y\
                            > IZ72gdNI8jgL_pe55EGxHoghN6sAhEW3QH8IiVzXST8ksPGhJ1BneGK0OhJO-aS0RlnGbIj>
                            > , "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Hi Maxim,
                            > >
                            > > here some more background stuff
                            > >
                            > > Project Camelot, Ryan vs LRH
                            > >
                            > > A comparison from an actual OT* Viewpoint
                            > >
                            > > Camelot as a place is associated with ideals like justice, bravery and
                            > > truth, the virtues Arthur and his knights. It's therefore a good
                            > > place to contemplate the virtues of the Project of Bill Ryan and Kerry
                            > > Cassidy carrying the name.
                            > >
                            > > Let's first take a look at their goals:
                            > >
                            > > "To our goals. Our focus now is on the future. We believe our planet
                            > > is currently undergoing a marked transition that includes the
                            > likelihood
                            > > of significant earth changes in the near future – these being
                            > > connected with a significant behind-the-scenes complexity which
                            > involves
                            > > various alien agendas some of which we can only guess at. Our
                            > intention
                            > > is to follow those important threads to wherever the testimony leads,
                            > > and to present the evidence we come across in documentary form."
                            > >
                            > > Ryan & Cassidy
                            > >
                            > > Central in Pjt Camelot is the belief in BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY,
                            > > ALIEN AGENDAS, UNKNOWNS.
                            > >
                            > > In the following I am just high-lighting some of the `outpoints'
                            > > in this `incredible' and artfully presented show of intelligence
                            > > revelations of secret agents, aliens etc. These points escape the
                            > > casual observer and only become visible when seen from a very high
                            > level
                            > > of truth! One of the highest levels of truth exists in the original
                            > (in
                            > > its virgin state) philosophy called scientology.
                            > >
                            > > Bill Ryan claims to be a high level scientologist and an OT 40 Games
                            > > Master.
                            > >
                            > > When I say OT Viewpoint, I mean *O.T., operating thetan, highest state
                            > > there is. (SH Spec Lecture 66, 6509C09)
                            > >
                            > > What is presented by Pjt Camelot and others certainly is REALITY as
                            > well
                            > > as REAL predictions and future trends. These are realistically or as
                            > > they say `truthfully' presented. I am not saying it is bad or
                            > > that they are lying.
                            > >
                            > > Hubbard of Scientology fame once said "REALITY IS THE AGREED-UPON
                            > > APPARENCY OF EXISTENCE." in the framework of these basic axioms
                            > > REALITY always is a created reality and it is created by a being and
                            > > agreed upon or not by other beings. The conditions of existence being
                            > > the result of considerations. One of the axioms concerns the physical
                            > > universe:
                            > >
                            > > "SPACE, ENERGY, OBJECTS. FORM AND TIME ARE THE RESULT OF
                            > > CONSIDERATIONS MADE AND/OR AGREED UPON OR NOT BY THE STATIC, AND ARE
                            > > PERCEIVED SOLELY BECAUSE THE STATIC CONSIDERS THAT IT CAN PERCEIVE
                            > > THEM."
                            > >
                            > > The static being a nothingness in terms of the physical universe yet
                            > > possessing the ability to consider and produce things by thinking and
                            > > have opinions.
                            > >
                            > > For purposes of comparison, we extracted the following principles as
                            > > laws from Ryan's philosophy of "What can be done about it?"
                            > > after he presents a shocking series of revelations of a
                            > > "REAL"nature.
                            > >
                            > > Ryan's Law I:
                            > >
                            > > Major, cyclic large-scale events that are set to occur are unstoppable
                            > > by us or any other race, no matter how advanced their technology.
                            > >
                            > > But the metaphysical approach, spiritual methodologies, power of
                            > thought
                            > > ….
                            > >
                            > > Ryan's Law II:
                            > >
                            > > What can be mitigated by metaphysics, meditation, yoga, buddhism…
                            > > all such mental or spiritual gymnastics stuff, are certain effects.
                            > >
                            > > Ryan's Law III:
                            > >
                            > > It's possible to bootstrap oneself into an optimum future consisting
                            > of
                            > > the least worst timeline...
                            > >
                            > > These `laws' above can be seen to present a very `human'
                            > > viewpoint agreeing how little or nothing can be done about it.
                            > >
                            > > The real danger in promoting such low level viewpoints is of course
                            > the
                            > > factor of getting agreement on dangerous trends coupled with can't
                            > > be dones! Which would be instrumental in creating new future realities
                            > > and thus wittingly or unwittingly work for the `secret
                            > > government'.
                            > >
                            > > And that is why I have said in a recent email:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > "I have found a dramatizing operative of the secret government
                            > > sitting right in the friendly, charismatic, full of ARC middle of the
                            > > Freezone being admired and gaining wide agreement all around. I tell
                            > you
                            > > beware! Be aware!
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > They want you all to believe the secret vectors of future that define
                            > an
                            > > unalterable course for the world. Who is leading the fake OTs on
                            > secret
                            > > orders from the invisible, secret government."
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > An actual OT would never promote or try to get agreement on existing
                            > bad
                            > > conditions and/or trends and then point out how little it is that can
                            > be
                            > > done about it due to BEHIND-THE-SCENES COMPLEXITY, ALIEN AGENDAS,
                            > > UNKNOWNS, a real scientologist would recognize the mystery gambit.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ………………………..and that is the whole point I am trying to
                            > make.
                            > >
                            > > Caspar de Rijk,
                            > >
                            > > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                            >
                          • amicalis1
                            thanks Fritz, Cancellation – As-is – Amnesty formatted version The following announcement is inspired by
                            Message 13 of 14 , Jun 18, 2008
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                              thanks Fritz,

                              Cancellation – As-is – Amnesty

                              formatted version

                              The following announcement is inspired by AP&A (Advanced Procedure and Axioms 1951), by L.Ron Hubbard, I did say I am a (Neo)-Hubbardian.

                              "DEFINITION: Responsibility is the ability and willingness to assume the status of full source and cause for all efforts and counter-efforts on all dynamics.

                              There is no compromise with full responsibility. It lies above 20.0 on the tone scale and is descended from in order to effect randomity but is descended from with the full knowledge of its assumptions. It means responsibility for all acts, all emotions on every dynamic and in every sphere as one's own."

                              I hereby cancel any and all of the recent Ethics/Justice actions undertaken from Multi Genius Technologies, Un-ltd, which hit in some realities the Freezone like an atom bomb.

                              I have invited Bill Ryan, Andreas Buttler and Andreas Gross a.o. to the convention, knowing their different realities and thus causing a whole sequence of events. Of course I knew and AB knew what would and did later happen. Andreas presenting a very high level of truth would restimulate the scientology cases.  We take full responsibility for causing the restimulation and reactions. That TA action was needed and wanted in the group process we ran, of course to full EP.

                              We wanted to see the Reality Scale and Responsibility Scale positions as reaction to high level truth and scientology axioms. The way we approached it was designed to get rid of the social masks and lay bare the actual tone scale positions i.e. the true reactions.

                              A group process like this is informative to all involved and around in that certain considerations and views become clarified which in ordinary communication often remain hidden.

                              Thank you all, every single reaction was caused by us and everyone has been in session, we are not angry with anyone. We have thereby established the actual group we want to work with.

                              Let it be known that this process is now completed and as it is created in no time (now) to have happened. It is now as-is. Nothing remains and that is the true meaning of amnesty (from Greek amnçstos, not remembered) (no track –no charge) Scn 0-8.

                              Off to a new start, new chance, a new look, no drama of the old. Nothing happened, this is PT; power of choice; there are no SPs; there is no timetrack. (unless you mock one up and so be it)

                              with love, Caspar de Rijk,

                              CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd


                              --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "fritz" <schreiner_fritz@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Thanks for the comm, Caspar.
                              >
                              > Much of what you say below is true, however my original suggestion
                              > that you take a closer look at http://www.projectcamelot.org/ remains
                              > and is reinforced.
                              >
                              > Bill and his partners main message on "camelot" is that these games
                              > are going on behind the scenes here and that since we create our own
                              > future, we should be aware of what's being created so we can out
                              > create them.
                              >
                              > They also point out many who are working very hard to create a safe
                              > space here, free from the oppression of a few with very evil intent.
                              >
                              > What the Freezone doesn't need is people who believe it's there place
                              > to point out who's right and who's wrong.
                              >
                              > Differing viewpoints and approaches are simply that, and need not
                              > necessarily always be dragged down to who's right and who's wrong.
                              >

                            • fritz
                              Hi Caspar. I m glad that action is at an end, (or never happened...) Fritz
                              Message 14 of 14 , Jun 18, 2008
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                                Hi Caspar.

                                I'm glad that action is at an end, (or never happened...)

                                Fritz


                                -- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "amicalis1" <Wizard8.8008@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > thanks Fritz,
                                >
                                > Cancellation – As-is – Amnesty
                                >
                                > formatted version <http://www.mgtconcepts.com/mgt/events/Open_Space>
                                >
                                > The following announcement is inspired by AP&A (Advanced Procedure and
                                > Axioms 1951), by L.Ron Hubbard, I did say I am a (Neo)-Hubbardian.
                                >
                                > "DEFINITION: Responsibility is the ability and willingness to assume
                                > the status of full source and cause for all efforts and counter-efforts
                                > on all dynamics.
                                >
                                > There is no compromise with full responsibility. It lies above 20.0 on
                                > the tone scale and is descended from in order to effect randomity but is
                                > descended from with the full knowledge of its assumptions. It means
                                > responsibility for all acts, all emotions on every dynamic and in every
                                > sphere as one's own."
                                >
                                > I hereby cancel any and all of the recent Ethics/Justice actions
                                > undertaken from Multi Genius Technologies, Un-ltd, which hit in some
                                > realities the Freezone like an atom bomb.
                                >
                                > I have invited Bill Ryan, Andreas Buttler and Andreas Gross a.o. to the
                                > convention, knowing their different realities and thus causing a whole
                                > sequence of events. Of course I knew and AB knew what would and did
                                > later happen. Andreas presenting a very high level of truth would
                                > restimulate the scientology cases. We take full responsibility for
                                > causing the restimulation and reactions. That TA action was needed and
                                > wanted in the group process we ran, of course to full EP.
                                >
                                > We wanted to see the Reality Scale and Responsibility Scale positions as
                                > reaction to high level truth and scientology axioms. The way we
                                > approached it was designed to get rid of the social masks and lay bare
                                > the actual tone scale positions i.e. the true reactions.
                                >
                                > A group process like this is informative to all involved and around in
                                > that certain considerations and views become clarified which in ordinary
                                > communication often remain hidden.
                                >
                                > Thank you all, every single reaction was caused by us and everyone has
                                > been in session, we are not angry with anyone. We have thereby
                                > established the actual group we want to work with.
                                >
                                > Let it be known that this process is now completed and as it is created
                                > in no time (now) to have happened. It is now as-is. Nothing remains and
                                > that is the true meaning of amnesty (from Greek amnçstos, not
                                > remembered) (no track –no charge) Scn 0-8.
                                >
                                > Off to a new start, new chance, a new look, no drama of the old. Nothing
                                > happened, this is PT; power of choice; there are no SPs; there is no
                                > timetrack. (unless you mock one up and so be it)
                                >
                                > with love, Caspar de Rijk,
                                >
                                > CEO Multi Genius Technologies, Un-Ltd
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In Galac_Patra@yahoogroups.com, "fritz" <schreiner_fritz@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Thanks for the comm, Caspar.
                                > >
                                > > Much of what you say below is true, however my original suggestion
                                > > that you take a closer look at http://www.projectcamelot.org/ remains
                                > > and is reinforced.
                                > >
                                > > Bill and his partners main message on "camelot" is that these games
                                > > are going on behind the scenes here and that since we create our own
                                > > future, we should be aware of what's being created so we can out
                                > > create them.
                                > >
                                > > They also point out many who are working very hard to create a safe
                                > > space here, free from the oppression of a few with very evil intent.
                                > >
                                > > What the Freezone doesn't need is people who believe it's there place
                                > > to point out who's right and who's wrong.
                                > >
                                > > Differing viewpoints and approaches are simply that, and need not
                                > > necessarily always be dragged down to who's right and who's wrong.
                                > >
                                >
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