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13648Re: [GPSL] Hydrogen usage

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  • Zack Clobes
    Oct 25, 2013
      I just bring a standard household extinguisher with me to the launches.  Someone that is more experience with pyrotechnics may be able to advise otherwise, but again, I'm not looking to extinguish the H2 - that's going to burn so quickly that you wouldn't have time to grab the extinguisher - I'm looking to put out small grass fires that might start.

      This video isn't mine, but it illustrates well the combustion/burning process.



      On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Christopher Rose <kb8uih1@...> wrote:
      What class extinguisher do you use/recommend?
      Chris Rose

      From: "Hanson, Douglas R CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 63800" <douglas.r.hanson@...>
      To: Zack Clobes <zclobes@...>
      Cc: "GPSL@yahoogroups.com" <GPSL@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 12:40 PM
      Subject: RE: [GPSL] Hydrogen usage

      Thank you all!!! I knew the feedback would be tremendous. Now I'm that much closer to my first launch.


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      From: GPSL@yahoogroups.com [mailto:GPSL@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zack Clobes
      Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:02 AM
      To: Hanson, Douglas R CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 63800
      Cc: GPSL@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [GPSL] Hydrogen usage


      My regulator is a single stage, and I don't remember the outlet pressure off hand, but you want as high as you can get, or else you could be there all day filling.  Our balloons fill in about 10 minutes, maybe less.

      As for the static build-up, I have a bit of an issue with that.  For us, we purge our fill line and our balloon of "air" before filling the H2.  So even if there was a spark in the fill line, there is still no oxygen to support combustion.  I've proven that in controlled tests, and it appears that it takes about a 50/50 ratio (+/- 20-30%) of oxidizer and H2.

      To further support this, I (and probably most others) vent our bottles before returning them to the supplier, and I never use a regulator at that point.  I would submit that this is far more dangerous than filling a balloon.

      *    Remember that the 2000psi cylinder is your most dangerous component.
      *    Fill outdoors.
      *    Have an extinguisher handy (not for the H2, but for the latex that could catch fire and fall back to the ground).
      *    Be aware.

      Zack Clobes, W0ZC
      Project: Traveler

      On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Hanson, Douglas R CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-PACIFIC, 63800 <douglas.r.hanson@...> wrote:

          I would like some help determining the safest use of hydrogen. Hydrogen providers often caution me about static charge buildup if the flow rate into the balloon is too fast. What is considered a safe fill rate? How long should I take in filling a 1600g Hwoyee (assuming I'm only using about 210cu.ft. of gas)? There are many CGA 350 regulators available, but does the outlet pressure of the regulator matter? Single stage or two stage? I look forward to the great feedback. Thank you.
          Ryan, KJ6YXG
          San Diego Near Space Project

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