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  • Chris AKA Junkman
    Hello Everyone: As a Newby to the group, I have a really dumb question I d like to ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
    Message 1 of 13 , Oct 5, 2002
      Hello Everyone:
      As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to
      ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
      amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are
      now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No
      Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an
      Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?
      I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing
      for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build
      my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my
      own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the
      antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",
      Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is
      the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be
      allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for
      nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)
      Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.
      Junkman
    • akarsin@tampabay.rr.com
      here is a wonderful website for gmrs info: http://www.provide.net/~prsg/ this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC s regulations. Adam There
      Message 2 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
        here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:

        http://www.provide.net/~prsg/

        this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's regulations.

        Adam
        <tt>
        There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
        on GMRS antennas.� 73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
        � ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
        � From: A10382 <BR>
        � To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com <BR>
        � Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
        � Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        � Hi Chris,<BR>
        <BR>
        � The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no 'combined'<BR>
        � ticket.<BR>
        <BR>
        � On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of<BR>
        � everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc.� In order for them to<BR>
        � 'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to pass
        a<BR>
        � knowledge test.�� This is an awesome privilege and a great responsibility<BR>
        � not enjoyed in any of the other radio services.� This is the primary
        reason<BR>
        � for the ham test...�� It is not, contrary to what many people believe,<BR>
        � designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be crowded.<BR>
        <BR>
        � The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at
        and<BR>
        � above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country.� Of<BR>
        � course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected radio<BR>
        � systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage
        beyond<BR>
        � that intended.� Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of the<BR>
        � ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that operates<BR>
        � much like the ICAO for aircraft operations.�� After all, radio waves do
        not<BR>
        � know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
        <BR>
        � As to homebrew on the GMRS service:� While the radios must be certified,<BR>
        � there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even<BR>
        � experimentation.� The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies, when<BR>
        � coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide for<BR>
        � coverage over a pretty wide area.� A 50W mountain top transmitter with a<BR>
        � well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area.�
        Of<BR>
        � course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at the<BR>
        � mountain top site.<BR>
        <BR>
        � 73<BR>
        � Frank<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        � ._._.<BR>
        � ----- Original Message -----<BR>
        � From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...><BR>
        � To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com><BR>
        � Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
        � Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        � > Hello Everyone:<BR>
        � > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to<BR>
        � > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM<BR>
        � > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are<BR>
        � > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No<BR>
        � > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an<BR>
        � > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?<BR>
        � > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing<BR>
        � > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build<BR>
        � > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my<BR>
        � > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the<BR>
        � > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",<BR>
        � > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is<BR>
        � > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be<BR>
        � > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for<BR>
        � > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)<BR>
        � > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.<BR>
        � > Junkman<BR>
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        � ><BR>
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      • Timothy-Allen Albertson-KG6IRH
        I have never seen a Type Acceptance FCC ID on an antenna. I believe that one can, as a Ham can for Ham use, homebrew an antenna for GMRS. One cannot do that
        Message 3 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
          I have never seen a Type Acceptance FCC ID on
          an antenna. I believe that one can, as a Ham
          can for Ham use, homebrew an antenna for GMRS.
          One cannot do that with FRS as they cannot, per
          FCC rules, have "detachable" antennas. The only
          antenna restrictions I have read in the FCC rules
          regarding GMRS pertain to height.
          73 de tim kg6irh.
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Chris AKA Junkman
          To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:46 AM
          Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


          Hello Everyone:
          As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to
          ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
          amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are
          now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No
          Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an
          Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?
          I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing
          for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build
          my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my
          own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the
          antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",
          Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is
          the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be
          allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for
          nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)
          Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.
          Junkman



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        • Nick
          Well I am a ham KG4URI and a GMRS WPUT690. NO your ham license will not cover the GMRS feild. The reason is that GMRS is a consumer grade radio service. Normal
          Message 4 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
            Well I am a ham KG4URI and a GMRS WPUT690. NO your ham license will not cover the GMRS feild. The reason is that GMRS is a consumer grade radio service. Normal people just pay $75 for a GMRS license with amateur radio you have to take a test. YOu are able to my understanding of GMRS rules aloud to build your own antennas but not your own transmitter. You cannot however build your own antenna with frs but GMRS you can have gain and your own antenna design. I like to play around and build my own antennas I have been building my own antennas for as long as I can remeber. I just recently became a Ham and I know why you would rather build your own antennas because you get better quality and you control the cost. Well I haven't built a GMRS or rather a antenna for my GMRS radios yet but I just use amateur dual band antennas. Well I hope this helped you or anyone else that was unclear on the subject. But like i said thats the way I understood it. 73's everyone take it easy today, its sunday but tommorow is go back to work day.
            Nick KG4URI
            WPUT690
            Chris AKA Junkman wrote:Hello Everyone:
            As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to
            ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
            amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are
            now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No
            Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an
            Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?
            I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing
            for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build
            my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my
            own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the
            antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",
            Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is
            the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be
            allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for
            nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)
            Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.
            Junkman



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          • A10382
            Hi Chris, The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no combined ticket. On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of
            Message 5 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
              Hi Chris,

              The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no 'combined'
              ticket.

              On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of
              everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them to
              'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to pass a
              knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great responsibility
              not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary reason
              for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people believe,
              designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be crowded.

              The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at and
              above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country. Of
              course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected radio
              systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage beyond
              that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of the
              ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that operates
              much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do not
              know where the borders are (haha).

              As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be certified,
              there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even
              experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies, when
              coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide for
              coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with a
              well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area. Of
              course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at the
              mountain top site.

              73
              Frank


              ._._.
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...>
              To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM
              Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


              > Hello Everyone:
              > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to
              > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
              > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are
              > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No
              > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an
              > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?
              > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing
              > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build
              > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my
              > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the
              > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",
              > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is
              > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be
              > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for
              > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)
              > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.
              > Junkman
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
              >
              >
            • Timothy-Allen Albertson-KG6IRH
              There are, as I recall, some height restrictions on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh. ... From: A10382 To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002
              Message 6 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
                There are, as I recall, some height restrictions
                on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: A10382
                To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM
                Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


                Hi Chris,

                The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no 'combined'
                ticket.

                On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of
                everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them to
                'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to pass a
                knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great responsibility
                not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary reason
                for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people believe,
                designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be crowded.

                The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at and
                above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country. Of
                course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected radio
                systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage beyond
                that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of the
                ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that operates
                much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do not
                know where the borders are (haha).

                As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be certified,
                there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even
                experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies, when
                coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide for
                coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with a
                well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area. Of
                course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at the
                mountain top site.

                73
                Frank


                ._._.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...>
                To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM
                Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


                > Hello Everyone:
                > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to
                > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM
                > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are
                > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No
                > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an
                > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?
                > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing
                > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build
                > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my
                > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the
                > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",
                > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is
                > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be
                > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for
                > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)
                > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.
                > Junkman
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
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              • corwinmoore
                ... Not necessarily. You need to consider both the transmitter output power and the receiver sensitivity at BOTH ends. A repeater with an enhanced receiver
                Message 7 of 13 , Oct 6, 2002
                  --- In GMRS@y..., "A10382" <A10382@s...> wrote:
                  > Of course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back
                  > at the mountain top site.

                  Not necessarily. You need to consider both the transmitter output
                  power and the receiver sensitivity at BOTH ends.

                  A repeater with an enhanced receiver sensitivity (for instance, with
                  a good GaAs FET pre-amp at a quiet site) can transmit with the full
                  50 watt output power (the maximum permissible) and still operate
                  "reciprocally" (that is to say, where the "talk-out" and "talk-back"
                  ranges are equal) with a 4- or 5-watt handheld radio. The better
                  repeater systems are configured exactly in this way.

                  - Corwin Moore (PRSG)
                • Alan Dixon
                  This is exactly how it is done in cellular systems, as well. Thanks, Corwin! 73, Alan - N3HOE / WPUC720 ... From: corwinmoore To:
                  Message 8 of 13 , Oct 7, 2002
                    This is exactly how it is done in cellular systems, as well.
                    Thanks, Corwin!
                    73, Alan - N3HOE / WPUC720


                    --------- Original Message ----------
                    From: "corwinmoore" <prsg@...>
                    To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:30:30 -0000
                    Subject: [GMRS] Re: Liscense combining?

                    --- In GMRS@y..., "A10382" <A10382@s...> wrote:
                    > Of course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back
                    > at the mountain top site.

                    Not necessarily. You need to consider both the transmitter output
                    power and the receiver sensitivity at BOTH ends.

                    A repeater with an enhanced receiver sensitivity (for instance, with
                    a good GaAs FET pre-amp at a quiet site) can transmit with the full
                    50 watt output power (the maximum permissible) and still operate
                    "reciprocally" (that is to say, where the "talk-out" and "talk-back"
                    ranges are equal) with a 4- or 5-watt handheld radio. The better
                    repeater systems are configured exactly in this way.

                    - Corwin Moore (PRSG)

                    ..

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                  • Adam Karsin
                    does anyone else notice a delay in their posts (sometimes greater than 24 hours)? I posted that link yesterday morning and I m sending this one on Monday night
                    Message 9 of 13 , Oct 7, 2002
                      does anyone else notice a delay in their posts (sometimes greater than 24
                      hours)? I posted that link yesterday morning and I'm sending this one on
                      Monday night 10:30pm eastern time.

                      Adam
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <akarsin@...>
                      To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:36 AM
                      Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


                      here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:

                      http://www.provide.net/~prsg/

                      this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's regulations.

                      Adam
                      <tt>
                      There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
                      on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
                      ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                      From: A10382 <BR>
                      To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com <BR>
                      Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
                      Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                      <BR>
                      <BR>
                      Hi Chris,<BR>
                      <BR>
                      The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no 'combined'<BR>
                      ticket.<BR>
                      <BR>
                      On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of<BR>
                      everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them
                      to<BR>
                      'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to pass
                      a<BR>
                      knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great responsibility<BR>
                      not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary
                      reason<BR>
                      for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people believe,<BR>
                      designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be crowded.<BR>
                      <BR>
                      The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at
                      and<BR>
                      above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country. Of<BR>
                      course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected radio<BR>
                      systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage
                      beyond<BR>
                      that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of the<BR>
                      ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that operates<BR>
                      much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do
                      not<BR>
                      know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
                      <BR>
                      As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be certified,<BR>
                      there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even<BR>
                      experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies, when<BR>
                      coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide for<BR>
                      coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with a<BR>
                      well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area.
                      Of<BR>
                      course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at the<BR>
                      mountain top site.<BR>
                      <BR>
                      73<BR>
                      Frank<BR>
                      <BR>
                      <BR>
                      ._._.<BR>
                      ----- Original Message -----<BR>
                      From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...><BR>
                      To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com><BR>
                      Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
                      Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                      <BR>
                      <BR>
                      > Hello Everyone:<BR>
                      > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to<BR>
                      > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both HAM<BR>
                      > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are<BR>
                      > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No<BR>
                      > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an<BR>
                      > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467 mhz?<BR>
                      > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing<BR>
                      > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build<BR>
                      > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my<BR>
                      > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the<BR>
                      > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",<BR>
                      > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is<BR>
                      > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be<BR>
                      > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for<BR>
                      > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are available)<BR>
                      > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any information.<BR>
                      > Junkman<BR>
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                    • Chris AKA Junkman
                      Thanks to all who replied. Didn t intend to spark a debate, but then again, that s a good way to get a flow of ideas going. Some of the info I knew, some I
                      Message 10 of 13 , Oct 7, 2002
                        Thanks to all who replied. Didn't intend to spark a debate, but then
                        again, that's a good way to get a flow of ideas going. Some of the
                        info I knew, some I didn't. Knew there was to be no 'Home Brewing' of
                        Transmitters... But frankly, I don't know many HAMs these days who
                        home brew much of anything... HOLD ON! I said I didn't know any, not
                        that there aren't any. Seems to be getting more and more rare to find
                        an old-timer who actually still uses a #2 pencil for making
                        resistors, or celo from cigarette pack for a 'condensor'. Can't even
                        find anyone around here who cares about tubes, except for the odd
                        musician. Ya'll know there is an entire generation that has grown up
                        who have never even SEEN a tube in operation?
                        Anyway, it seems antennas are about that last area for the average
                        guy, (or gal, nowadays) to tinker with. Did a lot of that on 11
                        meters back in the '70s. Before the FCC messed that all up.
                        Thanks again, and for the link, which I'm off to look at now. See you
                        in the funny pages.
                        Junkman
                        PS: As an old newspaper man, I tend to use 30 inside a circle, which
                        I can't do on a keyboard in regular ASCII. So, 73's back.

                        --- In GMRS@y..., akarsin@t... wrote:
                        > here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:
                        >
                        > http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
                        >
                        > this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's
                        regulations.
                        >
                        > Adam
                        > <tt>
                        > There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
                        > on GMRS antennas.  73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
                        >   ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                        >   From: A10382 <BR>
                        >   To: GMRS@y... <BR>
                        >   Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
                        >   Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   Hi Chris,<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately..
                        no 'combined'<BR>
                        >   ticket.<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing
                        of<BR>
                        >   everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc.  In
                        order
                        for them to<BR>
                        >   'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do
                        need to pass
                        > a<BR>
                        >   knowledge test.   This is an awesome privilege and a great
                        responsibility<BR>
                        >   not enjoyed in any of the other radio services.  This is
                        the
                        primary
                        > reason<BR>
                        >   for the ham test...   It is not, contrary to what many
                        people
                        believe,<BR>
                        >   designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be
                        crowded.<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the
                        bands at
                        > and<BR>
                        >   above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own
                        country.  Of<BR>
                        >   course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet
                        connected
                        radio<BR>
                        >   systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded
                        coverage
                        > beyond<BR>
                        >   that intended.  Most of the band privileges are aligned
                        with
                        those of the<BR>
                        >   ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage
                        that
                        operates<BR>
                        >   much like the ICAO for aircraft operations.   After all,
                        radio
                        waves do
                        > not<BR>
                        >   know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   As to homebrew on the GMRS service:  While the radios must
                        be
                        certified,<BR>
                        >   there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or
                        even<BR>
                        >   experimentation.  The 50W limit on the non-interstitial
                        frequencies, when<BR>
                        >   coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH,
                        provide
                        for<BR>
                        >   coverage over a pretty wide area.  A 50W mountain top
                        transmitter
                        with a<BR>
                        >   well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200
                        mile
                        area. 
                        > Of<BR>
                        >   course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard
                        back
                        at the<BR>
                        >   mountain top site.<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   73<BR>
                        >   Frank<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   ._._.<BR>
                        >   ----- Original Message -----<BR>
                        >   From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@y...><BR>
                        >   To: <GMRS@y...><BR>
                        >   Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
                        >   Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                        > <BR>
                        > <BR>
                        >   > Hello Everyone:<BR>
                        >   > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd
                        like to<BR>
                        >   > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for
                        both HAM<BR>
                        >   > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that
                        there
                        are<BR>
                        >   > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances,
                        (IE: No<BR>
                        >   > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a
                        thing
                        as an<BR>
                        >   > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on
                        462/467 mhz?<BR>
                        >   > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even
                        allowing<BR>
                        >   > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying
                        to
                        build<BR>
                        >   > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some
                        of
                        my<BR>
                        >   > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow
                        in
                        the<BR>
                        >   > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type
                        accepted",<BR>
                        >   > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS,
                        but
                        is<BR>
                        >   > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I
                        be<BR>
                        >   > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet
                        applied
                        for<BR>
                        >   > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are
                        available)<BR>
                        >   > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any
                        information.<BR>
                        >   > Junkman<BR>
                        >   ><BR>
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                      • dewey jones
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                        Message 11 of 13 , Oct 8, 2002
                          i just received your message at 10:15 pm on tuesday.....luckt

                          Adam Karsin wrote:

                          > does anyone else notice a delay in their posts (sometimes greater
                          > than 24
                          > hours)? I posted that link yesterday morning and I'm sending this one
                          > on
                          > Monday night 10:30pm eastern time.
                          >
                          > Adam
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: <akarsin@...>
                          > To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:36 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?
                          >
                          >
                          > here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:
                          >
                          > http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
                          >
                          > this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's regulations.
                          >
                          > Adam
                          > <tt>
                          > There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
                          > on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
                          > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                          > From: A10382 <BR>
                          > To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com <BR>
                          > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
                          > Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > Hi Chris,<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no
                          > 'combined'<BR>
                          > ticket.<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of<BR>
                          > everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them
                          >
                          > to<BR>
                          > 'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to
                          > pass
                          > a<BR>
                          > knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great
                          > responsibility<BR>
                          > not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary
                          > reason<BR>
                          > for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people
                          > believe,<BR>
                          > designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be
                          > crowded.<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands
                          > at
                          > and<BR>
                          > above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country.
                          > Of<BR>
                          > course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected
                          > radio<BR>
                          > systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage
                          > beyond<BR>
                          > that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of
                          > the<BR>
                          > ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that
                          > operates<BR>
                          > much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do
                          > not<BR>
                          > know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be
                          > certified,<BR>
                          > there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even<BR>
                          > experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies,
                          > when<BR>
                          > coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide
                          > for<BR>
                          > coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with
                          > a<BR>
                          > well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile
                          > area.
                          > Of<BR>
                          > course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at
                          > the<BR>
                          > mountain top site.<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > 73<BR>
                          > Frank<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > ._._.<BR>
                          > ----- Original Message -----<BR>
                          > From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...><BR>
                          > To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com><BR>
                          > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
                          > Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > <BR>
                          > > Hello Everyone:<BR>
                          > > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like
                          > to<BR>
                          > > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both
                          > HAM<BR>
                          > > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there
                          > are<BR>
                          > > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE:
                          > No<BR>
                          > > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as
                          > an<BR>
                          > > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467
                          > mhz?<BR>
                          > > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing<BR>
                          > > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to
                          > build<BR>
                          > > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of
                          > my<BR>
                          > > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in
                          > the<BR>
                          > > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",<BR>
                          > > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but
                          > is<BR>
                          > > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be<BR>
                          > > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied
                          > for<BR>
                          > > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are
                          > available)<BR>
                          > > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any
                          > information.<BR>
                          > > Junkman<BR>
                          > ><BR>
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                        • A10382
                          Something else is happening... I m getting strange emails from yahoo (or at least it appears to be from yahoo) about other groups I subscribe to. It keeps
                          Message 12 of 13 , Oct 8, 2002
                            Something else is happening... I'm getting strange emails from yahoo (or at
                            least it appears to be from yahoo) about other groups I subscribe to. It
                            keeps saying my message has been deleted, but the message is posted OK. It
                            does seem to take hours from some messages to post.

                            73
                            Frank
                            ._._.
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: "Adam Karsin" <akarsin@...>
                            To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:36 PM
                            Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


                            > does anyone else notice a delay in their posts (sometimes greater than 24
                            > hours)? I posted that link yesterday morning and I'm sending this one on
                            > Monday night 10:30pm eastern time.
                            >
                            > Adam
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: <akarsin@...>
                            > To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:36 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?
                            >
                            >
                            > here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:
                            >
                            > http://www.provide.net/~prsg/
                            >
                            > this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's regulations.
                            >
                            > Adam
                            > <tt>
                            > There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
                            > on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
                            > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                            > From: A10382 <BR>
                            > To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com <BR>
                            > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
                            > Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > Hi Chris,<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no 'combined'<BR>
                            > ticket.<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of<BR>
                            > everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them
                            > to<BR>
                            > 'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to pass
                            > a<BR>
                            > knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great
                            responsibility<BR>
                            > not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary
                            > reason<BR>
                            > for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people believe,<BR>
                            > designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be
                            crowded.<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at
                            > and<BR>
                            > above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country. Of<BR>
                            > course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected radio<BR>
                            > systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage
                            > beyond<BR>
                            > that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of
                            the<BR>
                            > ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that
                            operates<BR>
                            > much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do
                            > not<BR>
                            > know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be
                            certified,<BR>
                            > there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even<BR>
                            > experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies,
                            when<BR>
                            > coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide for<BR>
                            > coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with
                            a<BR>
                            > well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area.
                            > Of<BR>
                            > course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at the<BR>
                            > mountain top site.<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > 73<BR>
                            > Frank<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > ._._.<BR>
                            > ----- Original Message -----<BR>
                            > From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...><BR>
                            > To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com><BR>
                            > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
                            > Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > <BR>
                            > > Hello Everyone:<BR>
                            > > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like to<BR>
                            > > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both
                            HAM<BR>
                            > > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are<BR>
                            > > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE: No<BR>
                            > > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as an<BR>
                            > > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467
                            mhz?<BR>
                            > > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing<BR>
                            > > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to build<BR>
                            > > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my<BR>
                            > > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the<BR>
                            > > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",<BR>
                            > > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is<BR>
                            > > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be<BR>
                            > > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied for<BR>
                            > > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are
                            available)<BR>
                            > > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any
                            information.<BR>
                            > > Junkman<BR>
                            > ><BR>
                            > ><BR>
                            > ><BR>
                            > ><BR>
                            > ><BR>
                            > ><BR>
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                          • John Knott
                            Yep I just received this one at 0037 on Wed morning. Yahoo has been lagging for awhile. ... From: Adam Karsin [mailto:akarsin@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday,
                            Message 13 of 13 , Oct 8, 2002
                              Yep I just received this one at 0037 on Wed morning. Yahoo has been
                              lagging for awhile.




                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Adam Karsin [mailto:akarsin@...]
                              Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:37 PM
                              To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?

                              does anyone else notice a delay in their posts (sometimes greater than
                              24
                              hours)? I posted that link yesterday morning and I'm sending this one on
                              Monday night 10:30pm eastern time.

                              Adam
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: <akarsin@...>
                              To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:36 AM
                              Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?


                              here is a wonderful website for gmrs info:

                              HYPERLINK "http://www.provide.net/~prsg/"http://www.provide.net/~prsg/

                              this is also an easier way to navigate through the FCC's regulations.

                              Adam
                              <tt>
                              There are, as I recall, some height restrictions<BR>
                              on GMRS antennas. 73 de tim kg6irh.<BR>
                              ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
                              From: A10382 <BR>
                              To: GMRS@yahoogroups.com <BR>
                              Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 10:20 AM<BR>
                              Subject: Re: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                              <BR>
                              <BR>
                              Hi Chris,<BR>
                              <BR>
                              The Amateur and GMRS services are licensed separately.. no
                              'combined'<BR>
                              ticket.<BR>
                              <BR>
                              On the Amateur Service, the FCC regs allow for the homebrewing of<BR>
                              everything - transmitters, receivers, antennas, etc. In order for them
                              to<BR>
                              'trust us' not to interfere with other radio services, you do need to
                              pass
                              a<BR>
                              knowledge test. This is an awesome privilege and a great
                              responsibility<BR>
                              not enjoyed in any of the other radio services. This is the primary
                              reason<BR>
                              for the ham test... It is not, contrary to what many people believe,<BR>
                              designed to keep the number of users low so the bands won't be
                              crowded.<BR>
                              <BR>
                              The reason for limiting new amateurs (Technician class) to the bands at
                              and<BR>
                              above 50mHz is that it generally limits range to your own country.
                              Of<BR>
                              course, satellite repeaters and even the new internet connected
                              radio<BR>
                              systems that use 2M (144-148mHz) band seem to have expanded coverage
                              beyond<BR>
                              that intended. Most of the band privileges are aligned with those of
                              the<BR>
                              ITU, and international treaty organization for radio usage that
                              operates<BR>
                              much like the ICAO for aircraft operations. After all, radio waves do
                              not<BR>
                              know where the borders are (haha).<BR>
                              <BR>
                              As to homebrew on the GMRS service: While the radios must be
                              certified,<BR>
                              there are no restriction on antenna design, building, or even<BR>
                              experimentation. The 50W limit on the non-interstitial frequencies,
                              when<BR>
                              coupled with an efficient antenna system mounted up HIGH, provide
                              for<BR>
                              coverage over a pretty wide area. A 50W mountain top transmitter with
                              a<BR>
                              well designed antenna, could provide for coverage over a 200 mile area.
                              Of<BR>
                              course, the mobile unit would need to be equal to be heard back at
                              the<BR>
                              mountain top site.<BR>
                              <BR>
                              73<BR>
                              Frank<BR>
                              <BR>
                              <BR>
                              ._._.<BR>
                              ----- Original Message -----<BR>
                              From: "Chris AKA Junkman" <therealjunkman@...><BR>
                              To: <GMRS@yahoogroups.com><BR>
                              Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 1:46 PM<BR>
                              Subject: [GMRS] Liscense combining?<BR>
                              <BR>
                              <BR>
                              > Hello Everyone:<BR>
                              > As a 'Newby' to the group, I have a really dumb question I'd like
                              to<BR>
                              > ask: Are there any FCC liscense classes that would allow for both
                              HAM<BR>
                              > amature operation, (ANY) AND GMRS operation? I know that there are<BR>
                              > now voice only liscenses in rather restricted circumstances, (IE:
                              No<BR>
                              > Code Liscense) for some bands and such. Is there such a thing as
                              an<BR>
                              > Amature Ham Liscense that would also permit operation on 462/467
                              mhz?<BR>
                              > I understand that GMRS is NOT Ham oriented, nor even allowing<BR>
                              > for 'home brewed' equipment. I have no intention of trying to
                              build<BR>
                              > my own hand held for UHF! But I would like to try using some of my<BR>
                              > own antenna designs. How far will a liscense for GMRS allow in the<BR>
                              > antenna area? That is, I understand that only "type accepted",<BR>
                              > Comercial Quality radios are allowed for operation on GMRS, but is<BR>
                              > the same true for antennas? Must I buy my antenna or would I be<BR>
                              > allowed to home brew my own? (Obviously, I have not yet applied
                              for<BR>
                              > nor recieved said liscense, but am planning to when $$ are
                              available)<BR>
                              > Sorry for such a long post. And thanks in advance for any
                              information.<BR>
                              > Junkman<BR>
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