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Re: [GIWorld-Hepatitis] Rant warning... Time magazine info on herbals/vitamins

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  • Tatezi
    Now you all knew I d respond to this, didn t you.... So............Rant Warning!!!! First, I don t consider Time
    Message 1 of 3 , Dec 22, 2004
      Now you all knew I'd respond to this, didn't you....<grabbing my soap box and ready to rant>

      So............Rant Warning!!!!

      First, I don't consider Time magazine an authority on anything. For instance, read this article submitted to Time after they named George Bush their man of the year (it took effort, but I was able to restrain from using some very appropriate adjectives before that name). http://www.tompaine.com/articles/rewarding_incompetence.php Time magazine, like other mainstream press in america, publishes only what this administration wants published. (I worked in Time Warner's publishing division for 8+ years.)

      Now to polution and supplements like fish oil. In 1997 (and that was a long time before bush lifted the EPAs control over hazardous dumping and pollution in general) 240 million pounds of waste with hazardous components were dumped into municipal treatment systems...american households alone contributed 1.6 trillion gallons of waste-filled water into the country's treatment plants. This included feces and urine which include excreted pharmaceuticals. In 1999 the Congressional Research Service reported that municipal discharges are the second leading source of water quality impairment in all of the nation's waters. These discharges include nutrients....bacteria and other pathogens, as well as metals and toxic chemicals from industrial and commercial activities and households. (Montague, "Excrement Happens," Part 1 from Civilization and Sludge)

      In landfills these pollutants make up sludge which contains varying amounts of 70,000 different chemicals produced by industry each year as well as (according to the U.S. EPA) "volatiles, organic solids, nutrients, disease-causing pathogenic organisms (e.g., bacteria, viruses, etc.), heavy metals and inorganic ions, and toxic organic chemicals from industrial wastes, household chemicals and pesticides." (Federal REgister, U.S. EPA November 9, 1990) And sludge contains parmaceuticals...most coming from pharmaceutical companies and hospitals who direct their waste streams into municipal treatment systems, households flushing unused pharmaceuticals down the drain, people excreting pharmaceuticals they are taking and personal care products such as sunscreens and lotions that wash off during bathing.

      That's BEFORE Bush lifted the pollution laws...he even lifted the ban on how much arsenic can be in our drinking water.

      FISH OIL: ... .... The problem is that the same contaminatnts that pollute fish - PCBs, dioxin and mercury, among them - can show up in fish oils too

      Back to fish oil. Fish oil from reliable sources comes from farmed fish...it contains no more contaminants than the water we drink, the meat we eat, the air we breathe or the chemicals we use to clean our homes. Actually PCBs, mercury and dioxins are minor in comparison to the other pollutants that are killing the humyn race in one way or another.

      Most consumers asume that dietary supplements marketed as "all natural" are safe.

      Some should be substitued for most. I don't know that most is accurate. Usually people who use herbal supplements do a lot of research into what they are going to take. They don't just walk down the herb aisle and grab this or that. Actually people truly interested in their health put more research into what they herbs (and other meds) they are going to take than most people do with prescriptions that are given to them by medical praticioners..that old blind trust thing. You expect the doctor to know what he is prescribing and how it will interact with other things you are taking. But, that isn't the case. Pharmacists know more about drugs and their interaction with other drugs than medical practicioners do.

      As to supplements banned in Europe, that is a relatively new thing in the last 8 months or so (I've forgotten the name of the "program"). The pharmas put so much pressure on the governments that they passed a law against herbs...a law to make sure that the pharmas made more money. It's pretty hard to make money from something any wise person can gather in the wild...or grow on farms. And yes, they will contain pollutants because polluting our Earth is what humyns do...the majority of humyns don't see our Earth as a living mass...to them, it is a mechanism to be used (I really should say, mis-used) to their advantage. And watch out, america will bow to pressure from the pharmas and do the same thing.

      Of the herbs listed, kava and lobelia have been proven to harm the liver...but only in excess. They do no more damage than aceteminiphen which is also proven to cause liver damage in excess. And organ and gland extracts...they contain whatever creature they came from contained...and are not herbs. The same pollutants that fill our air, water and food are in animal extracts...and that's not taking into consideration the antibiotics and other things that are pumped into the sources of our meats and poultry. They are not herbs and should not be included in any discussion of herbs.

      The FDA...they don't want herbs being used...the pharmas can't make money if people use herbs instead of chemical substitutes that cost an arm and a leg..or maybe your first born child. And the FDA protects us...yeah, right. What about celebrex, vioxx and bextra...approved by the FDA and now proven to cause heart attacks and strokes. And sodium naproxen (Aleve) is now known to cause problems (what problem has slipped by mind...my brain seems to resemble swiss cheese after this last round of treatment). But they were all approved by the FDA so the pharmas could make their money. The same FDA that claims to be in place to protect us from dangerous drugs. The same FDA that claims canadian drugs are dangerous even though they are bought from the same pharmas that rob us blind. The pharmas don't want that money going to canada and not to them with their high profit margin. Note the flu vacine shortage...bush went to canada to buy it from them....canadian flu vaccines were safe when america needed them. There are many cases over the years of FDA approved drugs causing birth defects and other dis-eases. The FDA is owned by the pharmas...and all they care about is the bottom line...profits.

      Johns Hopkins scientists working with colleagues in Bangladesh found that adding zinc to traditional antibiotic treatment helped children ages 2 to 23 months recover more quickly (by a day or so) from severe pneumonia

      Zinc can be beneficial. It kills bacterias. Watch how quickly someone will recover from a cold when they suck on zinc lozenges. But remember that anything in excess can cause harm.

      ECHINACEA: In a 14-day study, the popular herb echinacea had no effect on cold symptoms

      No, echinacea doesn't do anything to relieve symptoms of a cold. It is an immune booster that helps fight off the virus, not relieve symptoms. And it does no good if you take it all the time...you build up an immunity. You need to alternate it with other immune boosters like Pau d'arco or astragalus root.

      CAFFEINE: Two separate reports showed a link between coffee consumption and a reduced risk of Type 2 diabetes. ..... caffeine is known to influence the way the body processes sugar.

      They've been doing a lot of studies on caffeine lately. But they are relatively new studies and don't have any long term results. Personally I believe a good 'cuppa of java' is good for you if for no other reason than it is good tasting and part of american culture. And in the studies I've read, there is no word about the fact that caffeine in excess dehydrates one or that it can cancel out the effects of certain vitamins.

      In Iran, doctors added zinc to the widely prescribed methylphenidate (Ritalin) therapy for children with attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder and foudn that after six weeks, the kids on zinc experienced fewer distractions and had less difficulty concentrating. In that instance, the zinc supplements may be regulating the brain chemical dopamine, which controls feelings of pleasure and reward.

      And now for something new (wink wink, nudge nudge)...I don't know anything about this so have no comment.

      Antioxident foods...it's been known since the days of the wise wimmin that certain foods were beneficial...you know, the witches that were burned at the stake during the dark ages (just like the dark age america is headed for now). But when talking antioxidents...remember in antioxident supplements, one must be careful with the vitamin A content. More than 10,000iu of vitamin A can cause liver damage. So if taking a multi vitamin with 10,000iu of vitamin A, one needs to avoid another supplement that contains vitamin A. Stick to that green tea and your veges...and the best veges for anitoxident properties are the orange and red veges...sweet potatoes, beets, carrots, etc. Keep in mind that if you drink carrot juice, it too can cause liver damage. No more than 8oz of carrot juice can be consumed in a 24 hour period. And eat blueberries....like they said, blueberries are one of the best antioxidents.

      I'll put my soap box away now. Guess I've been quite for too long...you woke me up with that post, Alley. <g>

      Blessings
      Tatezi

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    • Shshonee (Alley)
      Message 2 of 3 , Dec 23, 2004
        <<Back to fish oil. Fish oil from reliable sources comes from farmed fish...it contains no more contaminants than the water we drink, the meat we eat, the air we breathe or the chemicals we use to clean our homes. Actually PCBs, mercury and dioxins are minor in comparison to the other pollutants that are killing the humyn race in one way or another.>>

        Yes, BUT, the problem is, we take mega doses of fish oil. We don't eat mega portions of fish (at least most of us don't, not in the quantities like I take fish oil, recommended by my doc). If we did, we'd get mercury poisoning etc.

        And on the water we drink... my city water recently didn't meet standards and I had to go on bottled water for two months. The meat we eat is contaminated but we don't usually eat the mega doses like people do with herbals.

        It's hard to know how to find quality herbs. Everyone says they are high quality, but who's to say? Have to go by something, some standard. And the problem is, in the US, there ARE NO standards. They can put almost any damn thing they like in there, like the one that had viagra or whatever in it.

        All I'm saying is, be careful. Know your stuff as much as you can, just like you would prescriptions. I'm constantly amazed in the hep chat rooms I host how many heppers blindly take treatment without knowing anything about the side effects, or talking to their docs about the sides and getting help for them, or how it will affect their health, or might, long term. They act like it's taking an aspirin and they are supposed to feel better. My doc gives me nothing that he doesn't tell me what it is first and I ask how it might react with the other meds I have. I should know enough by now to stay away from modern medicine, tetnus shot almost killed me at age 10, the gov hospitals gave me hep (as far as I know), treatment disabled me. You'd think I'd learn! :)

        Rant on Tat!

        Alley

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      • tammster62
        This is true, but I must say that I went into this blinder than I should have and I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person but my doc softshoed around
        Message 3 of 3 , Dec 24, 2004
          This is true, but I must say that I went into this blinder than I
          should have and I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person but
          my doc softshoed around all kinds of issues. I am not happy with him
          at all, but I live in a small town and the choices are limited.
          Between dealing with him and the insurance I feel very, very sorry
          for people who do not know how to find info on the internet and do
          not know how to fight for what they need/deserve.
          After I get through with treatments, I have considering finding a job
          that will help people with stuff like this.
          I personally do not trust my doc to do anything but sign my
          prescriptions. I don't ask him about anything. I call and tell him
          when I need something, but other than that, I don't bother. After he
          told me to call the Peg 1-800 number to find out about getting a flu
          shot, I was disgusted. I have a friend who's son works at Scott and
          White Hospital and she called him and asked what they do about flu
          shots. He said that they take them patient by patient and look at
          test results, etc before they decide what to do. I decided that I
          didn't trust my doc to make that decision, so I refused the shot.
          Some times you have little choice in these matters :(
          Not fair, but true.
          <><TammieD><>

          --- In GIWorld-Hepatitis@yahoogroups.com, "Shshonee \(Alley\)"
          <shshonee@c...> wrote:
          I'm constantly amazed in the hep chat rooms I host how many heppers
          blindly take treatment without knowing anything about the side
          effects, or talking to their docs about the sides and getting help
          for them, or how it will affect their health, or might, long term.
          They act like it's taking an aspirin and they are supposed to feel
          better. My doc gives me nothing that he doesn't tell me what it is
          first and I ask how it might react with the other meds I have. I
          should know enough by now to stay away from modern medicine, tetnus
          shot almost killed me at age 10, the gov hospitals gave me hep (as
          far as I know), treatment disabled me. You'd think I'd learn! :)
          >
          > Rant on Tat!
          >
          > Alley
          >
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