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  • Nicholas Fuller
    Dear John P, Great! Thanks for this. I ve bought the Soupart, Fooz & Bourgeois and Lacourbe books on impossible crimes, both of which look very interesting
    Message 1 of 9 , Jun 30, 2005
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      Dear John P,

      Great! Thanks for this. I've bought the Soupart, Fooz & Bourgeois and Lacourbe books on impossible crimes, both of which look very interesting indeed, and found copies of 6 Crimes Sans Assassin, Trompe l'Oeil and Les 4 Viperes on Amazon Fr. Do you know what Lacourbe's Intégrales des mystères en chambres close contains?

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    • pugmire1
      Nick, Les Integrales des Mysteres en Chambres Closes contains: 1/ Le Spectre de Salem (Into Thin Air, Winslow & Quirk, 1928) 2/ A travers les murailles (Noel
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 4, 2005
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        Nick,
        'Les Integrales des Mysteres en Chambres Closes' contains:
        1/ Le Spectre de Salem (Into Thin Air, Winslow & Quirk, 1928)
        2/ A travers les murailles (Noel Vindry, 1937)
        3/ La Malédiction des 9X9 ( Nine Times Nine, Boucher, 1940)
        4/ Trompe l'oeil (Marcel Lanteaume, 1946)
        5/ Le Roi est mort (The King Is Dead, Ellery Queen, 1952)
        6/ Appelez le diable! (Whistle Up the Devil, Derek Smith, 1953)

        As you can see: two-thirds are translated from the English.

        If you haven't read 'Into Thin Air', it's a very entertaining story
        about a magician who keeps vanishing just as he's about to be
        caught. 'Whistle up the Devil', which is very hard to find, has one
        of the most fiendishly clever locked-room enigmas ever written but
        the writing isn't at the same level. I covered 'Trompe L'Oeil' in a
        previous post. There are many that rate 'A Travers les
        Murailles'(Through the Walls) to be Vindry's best, but I found the
        solution disappointing.

        Picking up on a point you made earlier, you can sometimes find a
        French translation more readily than the original English version.
        This is particularly true of short stories. Roland Lacourbe has
        edited a plethora of anthologies, including:
        'Petits Crimes Impossibles'
        'Les Meilleurs Histoires de Chambres Closes'
        'Les Magiciens du Crime'
        'Les Detectives de l'Impossible'
        '25 Histoires de Chambres Closes'
        'Vingt Pas Danse l'Insolite'
        '20 Defis a l'Impossible' (a collaboration with Bob Adey)

        Only a handful of the stories in these anthologies was originally
        written in French. In fact (pace de Maupassant)there have been very
        few French authors who have embraced the short story form (maybe
        Xavier can explain why). Both Boileau and Narcejac individually
        wrote a few (but not as a team) and Steeman also, but that's about
        it.

        Rather than list the contents here and bore the pants off people who
        aren't interested in impossible crimes, I'll put them up on the new
        site that Alan Mescallado just started:

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lockedroommysteries/

        John

        PS Jon, I hope I didn't violate any rules by referencing another
        site.



        --- In GAdetection@yahoogroups.com, Nicholas Fuller
        <stoke_moran@y...> wrote:
        > Dear John P,
        >
        > Great! Thanks for this. I've bought the Soupart, Fooz &
        Bourgeois and Lacourbe books on impossible crimes, both of which
        look very interesting indeed, and found copies of 6 Crimes Sans
        Assassin, Trompe l'Oeil and Les 4 Viperes on Amazon Fr. Do you know
        what Lacourbe's Intégrales des mystères en chambres close contains?
        >
        > Nick
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      • Jon Jermey
        Hi John, No, no rules broken. We don t have any official policies yet, or even an FAQ (any volunteers?). My personal view, though, is that groups with a
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 4, 2005
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          Hi John,

          No, no rules broken. We don't have any official policies yet, or even an FAQ
          (any volunteers?). My personal view, though, is that groups with a
          membership of less than about 50 tend not to be viable in the long run. I
          occasionally do a trawl through the smaller detective story groups on Yahoo
          inviting members to join this one. I would rather see us all united in a
          single group than fragmented into many smaller ones.

          Even the size of this group (currently 210) is misleading as many members
          don't receive emails or - apparently - participate in any other way.

          A quick look at Yahoo groups now suggests to me that only four GAD authors
          command enough loyalty to support a sizeable Yahoo group: Agatha Christie,
          John Dickson Carr, Erle Stanley Gardner and Rex Stout. Do you think that
          locked room mysteries will attract enough interest?

          Regards,

          Jon.



          >
          > Rather than list the contents here and bore the pants off people who
          > aren't interested in impossible crimes, I'll put them up on the new
          > site that Alan Mescallado just started:
          >
          > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lockedroommysteries/
          >
          > John
        • Xavier Lechard
          ... French academic tradition has always given the novel a preeminent place while short story was regarded as a minor form. Authors who made the latter their
          Message 4 of 9 , Jul 4, 2005
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            --- In GAdetection@yahoogroups.com, "pugmire1" <pugmire1@y...> wrote:
            > Only a handful of the stories in these anthologies was originally
            > written in French. In fact (pace de Maupassant)there have been very
            > few French authors who have embraced the short story form (maybe
            > Xavier can explain why). Both Boileau and Narcejac individually
            > wrote a few (but not as a team) and Steeman also, but that's about
            > it.

            French academic tradition has always given the novel a preeminent
            place while short story was regarded as a minor form. Authors who
            made the latter their favorite medium were often regarded as minor
            and it's telling that Maupassant had greater an influence on American
            letters than he had at home (his actual place in French literature is
            still debated) So it comes as no surprise that Gallic detective
            writers made not much of a big splash in the short story form.
            Another reason has to be pointed out, though. Prior to 1950, there
            were no mystery magazines in France and so the market for crime
            stories (or any kind of short fiction for that matter) was thin to
            say the least. Only "stars" like Simenon, Boileau-Narcejac, Steeman
            or Aveline could expect to break the wall and have their works
            published in daily papers or prestigious revues. Things changed a
            little in the early fifties with the birth of "Mystère Magazine"
            (local edition of EQMM) but GA had sadly passed and most of the
            featured stories were either American or British.

            Friendly,
            Xavier
          • Nicholas Fuller
            Dear John, An intriguing collection! The only one I ve read of these is Boucher s Nine Times Nine, which I enjoyed. Thanks for the information; I ve put in
            Message 5 of 9 , Jul 5, 2005
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              Dear John,

              An intriguing collection! The only one I've read of these is Boucher's Nine Times Nine, which I enjoyed. Thanks for the information; I've put in an order for the collection.

              I'm currently reading Le Cri de la Sirène, which I'm enjoying. Interestingly enough, it's the first Dr Twist book (although Halter's twentieth novel), so a good place to start, methinks. Lots of intriguing mysteries: a banshee haunting a Cornish village, and which vanished from a locked room; a squire who may be an impostor (shades of The Crooked Hinge); and the mysterious death of his wife's grandfather, who challenged the devil and was thrown from the top of a tower by a winged creature. The lexicographer Jeremy Bell is clearly modelled on Dr Fell.

              Nick


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            • pugmire1
              Jon, I believe that to sustain a group over the long haul you need (a) a scope that is broad yet clear (b) half-a-dozen animators : knowledgeable people who
              Message 6 of 9 , Jul 6, 2005
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                Jon,
                I believe that to sustain a group over the long haul you need
                (a) a scope that is broad yet clear (b) half-a-dozen 'animators':
                knowledgeable people who speak their mind and who spark off each
                other when a sufficiently interesting topic comes up (c) someone to
                repel the assaults of the penis-enlargers. This group seems to be
                fortunate enough to have all three and consequently remains one of
                the most interesting and lively around.

                It was Xavier who introduced me, whom I encountered
                on 'fansofjohndicksoncarr' which started out as a fairly lively
                group but which has become desultory of late. I also joined 'the
                ruemorgue' whose mission I never fully understood and which has been
                engulfed by the purveyors of internet porn from want of a watchdog.
                After a very interesting (to me) interchange with Nick on this site,
                I felt that listing the contents of five or so anthologies might be
                too much for some, so I posted it to a more specialised new site,
                frankly in the hope that it would gin up new members
                for 'lockedroommysteries'. How long that site lasts will depend on
                it meeting the above criteria.

                Keep up the good work.

                John

                yahoogroups.com, "Jon Jermey" <jonjermey@o...> wrote:
                > Hi John,
                >
                > No, no rules broken. We don't have any official policies yet, or
                even an FAQ
                > (any volunteers?). My personal view, though, is that groups with a
                > membership of less than about 50 tend not to be viable in the long
                run. I
                > occasionally do a trawl through the smaller detective story groups
                on Yahoo
                > inviting members to join this one. I would rather see us all
                united in a
                > single group than fragmented into many smaller ones.
                >
                > Even the size of this group (currently 210) is misleading as many
                members
                > don't receive emails or - apparently - participate in any other
                way.
                >
                > A quick look at Yahoo groups now suggests to me that only four GAD
                authors
                > command enough loyalty to support a sizeable Yahoo group: Agatha
                Christie,
                > John Dickson Carr, Erle Stanley Gardner and Rex Stout. Do you
                think that
                > locked room mysteries will attract enough interest?
                >
                > Regards,
                >
                > Jon.
                >
                >
                >
                > >
                > > Rather than list the contents here and bore the pants off people
                who
                > > aren't interested in impossible crimes, I'll put them up on the
                new
                > > site that Alan Mescallado just started:
                > >
                > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lockedroommysteries/
                > >
                > > John
              • Jon Jermey
                Hi John, I don t think anyone here would object to your listing the contents of five different anthologies, especially as we seem to be having a quiet patch
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 6, 2005
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                  Hi John,

                  I don't think anyone here would object to your listing the contents of five
                  different anthologies, especially as we seem to be having a quiet patch
                  lately. However, the group blog at http://gadetective.blogspot.com/ is
                  intended to be a long-term searchable archive for longer messages that might
                  be too much for the mailing list. Any member who wants to be able to add to
                  this should let me know.

                  We also have a fair bit of space still available on the Yahoo website for
                  uploading files and images.

                  Regards,

                  Jon.

                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: GAdetection@yahoogroups.com
                  > [mailto:GAdetection@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pugmire1
                  > Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 12:25 PM
                  > To: GAdetection@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [GAdetection] Re: French Impossible Crimes
                  >
                  >
                  > Jon,
                  > I believe that to sustain a group over the long haul you need
                  > (a) a scope that is broad yet clear (b) half-a-dozen 'animators':
                  > knowledgeable people who speak their mind and who spark off each
                  > other when a sufficiently interesting topic comes up (c) someone to
                  > repel the assaults of the penis-enlargers. This group seems to be
                  > fortunate enough to have all three and consequently remains one of
                  > the most interesting and lively around.
                  >
                  > It was Xavier who introduced me, whom I encountered
                  > on 'fansofjohndicksoncarr' which started out as a fairly lively
                  > group but which has become desultory of late. I also joined 'the
                  > ruemorgue' whose mission I never fully understood and which has been
                  > engulfed by the purveyors of internet porn from want of a watchdog.
                  > After a very interesting (to me) interchange with Nick on this site,
                  > I felt that listing the contents of five or so anthologies might be
                  > too much for some, so I posted it to a more specialised new site,
                  > frankly in the hope that it would gin up new members
                  > for 'lockedroommysteries'. How long that site lasts will depend on
                  > it meeting the above criteria.
                  >
                  > Keep up the good work.
                  >
                  > John
                • pugmire1
                  By Golly! I ve never seen any references to this, said John cluelessly. ... contents of five ... patch ... http://gadetective.blogspot.com/ is ... that might
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jul 7, 2005
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                    "By Golly! I've never seen any references to this," said John
                    cluelessly.

                    --- In GAdetection@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Jermey" <jonjermey@o...>
                    wrote:
                    > Hi John,
                    >
                    > I don't think anyone here would object to your listing the
                    contents of five
                    > different anthologies, especially as we seem to be having a quiet
                    patch
                    > lately. However, the group blog at
                    http://gadetective.blogspot.com/ is
                    > intended to be a long-term searchable archive for longer messages
                    that might
                    > be too much for the mailing list. Any member who wants to be able
                    to add to
                    > this should let me know.
                    >
                    > We also have a fair bit of space still available on the Yahoo
                    website for
                    > uploading files and images.
                    >
                    > Regards,
                    >
                    > Jon.
                    >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: GAdetection@yahoogroups.com
                    > > [mailto:GAdetection@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pugmire1
                    > > Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2005 12:25 PM
                    > > To: GAdetection@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [GAdetection] Re: French Impossible Crimes
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Jon,
                    > > I believe that to sustain a group over the long haul you
                    need
                    > > (a) a scope that is broad yet clear (b) half-a-
                    dozen 'animators':
                    > > knowledgeable people who speak their mind and who spark off each
                    > > other when a sufficiently interesting topic comes up (c) someone
                    to
                    > > repel the assaults of the penis-enlargers. This group seems to
                    be
                    > > fortunate enough to have all three and consequently remains one
                    of
                    > > the most interesting and lively around.
                    > >
                    > > It was Xavier who introduced me, whom I encountered
                    > > on 'fansofjohndicksoncarr' which started out as a fairly lively
                    > > group but which has become desultory of late. I also joined 'the
                    > > ruemorgue' whose mission I never fully understood and which has
                    been
                    > > engulfed by the purveyors of internet porn from want of a
                    watchdog.
                    > > After a very interesting (to me) interchange with Nick on this
                    site,
                    > > I felt that listing the contents of five or so anthologies might
                    be
                    > > too much for some, so I posted it to a more specialised new
                    site,
                    > > frankly in the hope that it would gin up new members
                    > > for 'lockedroommysteries'. How long that site lasts will depend
                    on
                    > > it meeting the above criteria.
                    > >
                    > > Keep up the good work.
                    > >
                    > > John
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