Re: Sexism at the Edgars
- Ah, yes, the remarkable Mr. Penzler. I remember as a young man I was
the unfortunate recipient of his wrath. I inquired about a book and
when I failed to respond quickly to his successful search, received a
scathing rebuke about my unprofessionalism and lack of seriousness. In
succint prose he castigated me for wasting his time. In my defence, it
was a time when I still resided in a third world country (he gave a
deadline for my response, but by the time the letter arrived, the
deadline was two weeks past) that was under a dictatorship, so even
getting the US funds to pay for the book would take time and lots of
paperwork. Also, I was young and careless. Despite the humiliation I
received, he earned my respect. I learned to take the role of book
collector seriously and treat booksellers even more seriously.
Now for his comments.
I am not sure that Penzler is a sexist. Call him elitist, for every
man has his meat. When Wilson questioned the value of detective
stories, he seemed to have changed his mind about the people who wrote
them when he got to Sherlock Holmes. Wilson may not have cared for
mysteries, but he cared about writing. Penzler, for his part and
experience (as editor and publisher), knows what he likes. Cosies are
not his cup of tea. For his part, he can't find a cosy "well-written"
enough to maintain his interest. He prefers "deep" writing and it's
debatable if any of his choices of stories for his anthologies are
badly-written. Even as one poster mentioned he selected stories that
feature violence against women, Penzler is not one to quibble about
plot if the prose is strong enough to satisy his taste. He published
Spillane's latest books (wherein Spillane showed some maturity), but I
doubt if he will publish the early works (if he started publishing
then). By the way, he also published Charlotte MacLeod. He must have
seen something in her (I tried reading MacLeod but is that enamored of
Does anyone know what his opinions are of Paretsky, Grafton and
--- In GAdetection@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Jermey" <jonjermey@o...>
> Ah, never let your opinions get in the way when there's a chance ofmaking
> And Penzler has never said that cosies are unpopular, merely that he
> like them. In fact it may be because they are so popular - and he'slosing
> his audience - that he feels compelled to speak out against them. Aswe in
> Australia know, nobody else can be quite so rude about a group astheir
> former leader.
- We have Edgars, Anthonys, and Creaseys. Perhaps there should be a new
award, the Julian, for people like Penzler, just as there should be
the Keeler award for off-the-wall detection. The dark side needs to be
--- In GAdetection@yahoogroups.com, MG4273@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 05-04-29 12:31:03 EDT, Xavier writes:
> << Crazy Otto doesn't hate women; he just
> hates the kind of mysteries they (well, most of them) write >>
> In the latest Penzler edited "Best American Mystery Short Stories of
> Year", the villian in one of the tales turns out to be an Evil
Lesbian. Not to
> worry - the detective "hero" drives her to her death. In another
tale, the "hero"
> gratuitously shoots the femme fatale at at the end - after calling
> character by an ugly name.
> This sort of thing is straight misogyny, homophobia and bigotry. It
> inexecusable. Why is he praising stories that glorify violence
> And against gay people? Don't both groups suffer from enough
violence in real
> Now he's saying women writers are not artists.
> It's time to wake up and smell the coffee here.
> Mike Grost