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Re: Pilsen Archive Photos

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  • Pierre-Olivier
    I m always surprised (in a good way) to see what Joe can tell from a simple black and white photo... P-O
    Message 1 of 3 , Jul 9 9:43 AM
      I'm always surprised (in a good way) to see what Joe can tell from a simple black and white photo...

      P-O


      --- In G104@yahoogroups.com, "Joe DeMarco" <snick13@...> wrote:
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      > Thanks for posting the photos, Michael!
      > Annies Able is new to me. She looks like she might have the canvas mantlet cover installed. Very rare to see in a WW II photo.
      > Going by the Registration Number, Annie would have been accepted in Dec, 1944.
      > Very few Shermans made then or later were sent overseas during WW II - with processing & shipping availability & all, there simply wasn't the time.
      > Counting heads (now including Annie), I would guess Chrysler began to factory install the actual canvas cover in Dec.
      > Too bad, she's not pulled up a little more. Would be curious to see the exhaust deflector.
      > Just guessing Chrysler intro'd the armored one in Jan, 1945.
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      > Cutie is interesting because her turret is out of spec.
      > Pierre-Olivier & I did a page about 75mm turrets...
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      > http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/turret_types/75mm_turrets.html
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      > The no pistol port turrets came & went in the second half of 1943.
      > By late 1943, the Ord Dept got their minds right, & decided the pistol port would be standard on all Sherman turrets going forward.
      > Fisher was supposed to modify the recycled turrets so they would be exactly like the current D78461 high bustle turret used with most big hatch 75 & 105mm Shermans.
      > Fisher apparently got some no pistol port turrets to recycle, & asked the government for a few hundred dollars for a pistol port jig.
      > Presumably, they were planning to fabricate a pistol port such as on your M24.
      > Unfortunately, there was no back & forth correspondence in the archives files, but the existence of a no PP turret on Cutie indicates it was accepted by the gov't.
      > I've never come across a period photo of a Sherman with a fabricated PP, & I think Cutie may be the only known example of a no PP recycled turret?
      > The Government probably turned down the request for the jig money, & advised Fisher to try to avoid the use of no pistol port turrets, if supplies permitted.
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      > Here's a shot of an M50 turret where it's obvious the Israelis really wanted the pistol port!
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      > FWIW, CLAY was shipping code for Bremerhaven in the 1950s.
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      > Joe
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      > From: Michael Lembo
      > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 12:37 PM
      > To: g104@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [G104] Pilsen Archive Photos
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      > Here are a few of the better photos from the small stash I was able to get access to so far. There will be more coming, the Pilsen Archives are scanning the 50 or so I wanted copies of (not all Shermans) and I will have to go back and pick up the CD in a few weeks.
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      > The chalk writing on the side of "Cutie" says basically: Pilsen is free, now proceed to the mother city - Prague.
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      > both photos are of 16th AD tanks, taken on or about 6-7 May.
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      > Michael
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