>Probably best to stick with one type for each model then.
There are a few period pix, but I wouldn't recommend too much "mix & match"
on a Sherman model. With a surviving tank, the guys have to get what they
can get. It's encouraging that a few restorers are interested in trying to
backdate to certain time periods. The commander's split hatch seems to be in
short supply, since a lot of surviving Shermans were retrofitted with the
all round vision cupola, such as can be seen on the M4 at
>The M32 was a gate guardian at the REME Museum in Berkshire, UK.
OK. I remember corresponding with a REME guy in Kosovo way back when. They
were talking about bringing that home & restoring to runner. From the pix,
it was originally a Pressed Steel Car M4A1. It doesn't have a riveted lower
hull, so figure Spring 1943 production or a little later. It has the "wide
door" in the "turret" which would indicate a late 1944 or early 1945 M32B1
MDAP docs state the Yugos got 23 M32 series.
>It's been removed for what's hoped to be a full restoration.
I'd be curious to know if the REME people find a readable dataplate in
I've attached a photo of an M32 seen crossing the Moselle River, 9/13/44.
Taking into account average shipping times of 3 to 4 months, this unit could
only have been converted by Pressed Steel Car in March or April 1944. You
can see the retriever has a riveted lower hull & the early type of hull
lifting ring. I suspect this was originally a very early PSC M4 with direct
vision & M3 bogies. The reason I think that is because if it had been made
with M4 bogies, they wouldn't have had to replace them. You can see it has a
mix & match of bogie units with a couple of the "upturned" return roller
arms. I would think the supply of "straight" arms would have been nearly
exhausted at the time this conversion was done. The spare drive sprockets
are also mix & match. The front one with the dimples was exclusive to Ford
built M4A3s, & the rear one is what I call the M3 Lee type. If necessary,
of course, these could have ended up on any Sherman.
From: "adrianharris21" <adrianharris21@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:31 PM
Subject: [G104] Re: Return roller bracket designs
> Hi Joe.
> Probably best to stick with one type for each model then.
> The M32 was a gate guardian at the REME Museum in Berkshire, UK.
> There's a good set of walkaround pictures here:
> It's been removed for what's hoped to be a full restoration.
> --- In G104@yahoogroups.com, "Joe DeMarco" <snick13@...> wrote:
>> >Any known correlation between models and manufacturers ?
>> You are likely to find a hodgepodge of different parts on surviving
>> Shermans. That was made possible by the Henry Ford concept of
>> "interchangeability." However, most of the builders procured their parts
>> from specific suppliers, so, as built, the tanks had a fairly consistent
>> appearance. For instance, Chrysler got its supply of turrets from
>> Continental Steel & American Steel Foundries. If you see a turret cast
>> say, Union Steel on a Chrysler built Sherman, it's not original. Almost
>> every Chrysler Sherman with VVSS was built with the pressed spoke style
>> wheels & idlers that they designed. Chrysler used a particular type of
>> sprocket. The available evidence suggests that they did not supply those
>> sprockets to anyone else, so they may be considered a minor recognition
>> feature in period photos, but forget about it on surviving tanks.
>> Can you tell us anything about the M32 you looked at?
>> Regarding M4 S/N 1940...an original Baldwin dataplate is extremely rare
>> see. The tank appears to have been remanufactured, but where & when?
>> another plate right next to the dataplate that is completely obscured by
>> paint. It may be the remanufacturer's ID plate. There are a few
>> "aftermarket" items on that tank like the headlamps, the gun travel lock,
>> possibly even the front lifting rings - never saw that type before.
>> Shermans were made at the right time - 1943. Consequently, just about
>> one of them was sent overseas. We were wondering if that one might have
>> an interesting history...
>> From: "adrianharris21" <adrianharris21@...>
>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 4:51 PM
>> To: <G104@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [G104] Re: Return roller bracket designs
>> > Thanks.
>> > Any known correlation between models and manufacturers ?
>> > IE, would an M4A4 always have had one type, and never another ?
>> > Barring any field replacements of course.
>> > Adrian.
>> > --- In G104@yahoogroups.com, TANKBARRELL@ wrote:
>> >> Different manufacturers. I've seen a lot of detail variation in all
>> >> parts
>> >> depending on maker.