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  • tankfreak1
    hi group does anyone here know what vehical the nr g197 stands for? thanks for any info u can give me.
    Message 1 of 11 , May 9, 2004
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      hi group does anyone here know what vehical the nr g197 stands for?
      thanks for any info u can give me.
    • WhiteWolf
      ... Scanned Google, got this parts page: http://www.mullinsjeepparts.com/BMJPavparts.html And down the list, past the G-14 Sherman parts... G-197-6577083 Pad,
      Message 2 of 11 , May 9, 2004
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        --- "tankfreak1" <tankfreak1@y...> wrote:
        > hi group does anyone here know what vehicle
        > the nr g197 stands for?
        > thanks for any info u can give me.

        Scanned Google, got this parts page:

        http://www.mullinsjeepparts.com/BMJPavparts.html

        And down the list, past the G-14 Sherman parts...

        G-197-6577083 Pad, M-26 Pershing
        G-197-7008467 Starter, little Joe, M-26

        Looks like the M-26 Pershing is the G-197.

        WhiteWolf
      • fons paulussen
        thank u very much for the info white wolf ... Scanned Google, got this parts page: http://www.mullinsjeepparts.com/BMJPavparts.html And down the list, past the
        Message 3 of 11 , May 11, 2004
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          thank u very much for the info white wolf

          WhiteWolf <whitewolf_mcbride@...> wrote:--- "tankfreak1" <tankfreak1@y...> wrote:
          > hi group does anyone here know what vehicle
          > the nr g197 stands for?
          > thanks for any info u can give me.

          Scanned Google, got this parts page:

          http://www.mullinsjeepparts.com/BMJPavparts.html

          And down the list, past the G-14 Sherman parts...

          G-197-6577083 Pad, M-26 Pershing
          G-197-7008467 Starter, little Joe, M-26

          Looks like the M-26 Pershing is the G-197.

          WhiteWolf



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        • tankfreak1
          i have a question for u all. does anyone know the production date of m4a4 serial number 5609? best regards fons paulussen http://tankfreak.tripod.com
          Message 4 of 11 , Nov 2, 2004
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            i have a question for u all.
            does anyone know the production date of m4a4 serial number 5609?
            best regards
            fons paulussen

            http://tankfreak.tripod.com
          • Joseph DeMarco
            ... Hi Fons, 5609 was right around the 800th M4A4 built. It would have come off the line October, 1942. IIRC, yours has a one piece upper rear hull plate.
            Message 5 of 11 , Nov 2, 2004
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              >does anyone know the production date of m4a4 serial number 5609?

              Hi Fons,

              5609 was right around the 800th M4A4 built.
              It would have come off the line October, 1942.
              IIRC, yours has a one piece upper rear hull plate.
              Earlier ones appear to have had rear hull plates made up of two pieces
              welded together.

              HTH

              Joe



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            • tankbarrell
              ... pieces ... does have the two piece rear plate. This is only 1 thick whereas the single piece plates I have seen are 1 1/2 thick. Did the change in design
              Message 6 of 11 , Nov 2, 2004
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                > 5609 was right around the 800th M4A4 built.
                > It would have come off the line October, 1942.
                > IIRC, yours has a one piece upper rear hull plate.
                > Earlier ones appear to have had rear hull plates made up of two
                pieces
                > welded together.
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                > >My M4A4 is hull no. 5271 which was built in September 1942 and
                does have the two piece rear plate. This is only 1" thick whereas the
                single piece plates I have seen are 1 1/2" thick. Did the change in
                design coincide with the change in thickness?

                Adrian
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              • fons paulussen
                hello joe thanks for the info. ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
                Message 7 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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                  hello joe thanks for the info.
                  --- Joseph DeMarco <snick1@...> wrote:

                  > >does anyone know the production date of m4a4 serial
                  > number 5609?
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                  > Hi Fons,
                  >
                  > 5609 was right around the 800th M4A4 built.
                  > It would have come off the line October, 1942.
                  > IIRC, yours has a one piece upper rear hull plate.
                  > Earlier ones appear to have had rear hull plates
                  > made up of two pieces
                  > welded together.
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                  > HTH
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                  > Joe
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                • shermanm4e3e8
                  In this photo here http://battletanks.com/images/M4A3_Sherman-3.jpg there are 2 pieces of angle iron on the back side of the turret, pointing towards the rear.
                  Message 8 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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                    In this photo here http://battletanks.com/images/M4A3_Sherman-3.jpg
                    there are 2 pieces of angle iron on the back side of the turret,
                    pointing towards the rear.

                    Can someone please tell me what they are/were for. They also appear
                    on the 105 M4 as well.

                    Thanks!

                    Jeff
                  • mykef2@aol.com
                    In a message dated 11/3/2004 5:43:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, shermanm4e3e8@yahoo.com writes: http://battletanks.com/images/M4A3_Sherman-3.jpg They were used
                    Message 9 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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                      In a message dated 11/3/2004 5:43:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
                      shermanm4e3e8@... writes:
                      http://battletanks.com/images/M4A3_Sherman-3.jpg
                      They were used to store the .50 cal machine gun barrels when not in use.
                      There are spring clamps on the angle iron extensions to hold them in place.

                      When not in use, the machine gun receiver group and it's cradle were plunked
                      down in the socket that can be also be seen sticking out of that rounded
                      protrusion on the rear between the two angle iron supports.

                      hth,
                      mike


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                    • Joseph DeMarco
                      Hi Adrian, ... I never came across any official documentation on that, so can t say. There are a couple surviving M4A4s that have two piece upper rear hull
                      Message 10 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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                        Hi Adrian,

                        >Did the change in design coincide with the change in thickness?

                        I never came across any official documentation on that, so can't say.
                        There are a couple surviving M4A4s that have two piece upper
                        rear hull plates, but the lugs are badly corroded so that the
                        serial numbers stampings are too shallow to be read.
                        Based on info found to date in period pix & surviving tanks,
                        I've suggested that the serial numbers of the mystery M4A4s are
                        probably gonna be in the range 4805 through about 5600.
                        Thought that might help the guys if they can find traces of the
                        serial number or the original painted on USA Reg. Number.

                        Even if official documentation could be found, some of that is questionable.
                        For instance, one doc has it that direct vision was to be replaced at
                        S/N 4905 - the 100th unit. From what I can tell, it looks like it was
                        replaced at around the 1000th M4A4, & the change wasn't abrupt.

                        Anyone in the group live up in the Trois Rivieres area of Quebec Province?
                        Would like to have a report of the US serial number & general features of
                        the M4A4 monument in the park. Think it's a very early one, returned
                        to Canada as a war trophy.
                        It's original WD Number might be CT-150503.

                        Joe



                        > > 5609 was right around the 800th M4A4 built.
                        > > It would have come off the line October, 1942.
                        > > IIRC, yours has a one piece upper rear hull plate.
                        > > Earlier ones appear to have had rear hull plates made up of two
                        > pieces
                        > > welded together.
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                        > > >My M4A4 is hull no. 5271 which was built in September 1942 and
                        > does have the two piece rear plate. This is only 1" thick whereas the
                        > single piece plates I have seen are 1 1/2" thick. Did the change in
                        > design coincide with the change in thickness?
                        >
                        > Adrian
                      • WhiteWolf
                        ... Think it d be more precise to say the cradle post sat in the hole in the central arm on the bulge (which was the turret ventilator) and the perforated
                        Message 11 of 11 , Nov 3, 2004
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                          --- mykef2@a... wrote:
                          >> shermanm4e3e8@y... writes:
                          >> http://battletanks.com/images/M4A3_Sherman-3.jpg

                          > They were used to store the .50 cal machine
                          > gun barrels when not in use. There are
                          > spring clamps on the angle iron extensions
                          > to hold them in place.
                          >
                          > When not in use, the machine gun receiver
                          > group and it's cradle were plunked down in
                          > the socket that can be also be seen sticking
                          > out of that rounded protrusion on the rear
                          > between the two angle iron supports.

                          Think it'd be more precise to say the cradle
                          post sat in the hole in the central arm on
                          the bulge (which was the turret ventilator)
                          and the perforated guard on the front of the
                          receiver assembly that the barrel was inside
                          was clipped into the circular bracket.

                          If you want some close-ups Sherm, I have
                          some nice ones. If its parts for a 1/16,
                          I know where to find those too.

                          WhiteWolf
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