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Re: [G104] Re: Sherman IVc/M4A3,17pounder? *Pics*

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  • mykef2@aol.com
    The references that Joe mentions on the US Firefly conversion program are reproduced on Mark Hayward s Firefly site.
    Message 1 of 7 , Jul 18 5:42 PM
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      The references that Joe mentions on the US Firefly conversion program are
      reproduced on Mark Hayward's Firefly site.

      <A HREF="http://freespace.virgin.net/shermanic.firefly/usnew.html">http://freespace.virgin.net/shermanic.firefly/usnew.html</A>

      mike


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    • tgann11@comcast.net
      This is a run of the mill British conversion Firefly that had been re-engined for the Argentine Army. The Argentine Fireflies went through two of these engine
      Message 2 of 7 , Jul 19 7:56 AM
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        This is a run of the mill British conversion Firefly that had been re-engined for the Argentine Army. The Argentine Fireflies went through two of these engine changes, with this being the first. The deck is not quite that of the M4A3, but it is close. Look closely at the grills and the forward filler cap splash guard. The lower rear plate is almost identical to the M4A3, at least in the lower portion, and the exhaust deflector is the same. The engine was a French diesel, but I cannot put my hands on the type right now. Later, these vehicles received another engine change, with a deck that is made from solid plates, with the exhaust exiting out the top, where the doors meet, and extending back. This later version also mounted the 105mm gun from the AMX-13. As far as I know, the tanks were purchased commercially, with the French involved in the engine changeouts. TheArgentine Army had Vc's and Ic's, both straight and composite.

        Tom
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        From: mykef2@...
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        Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 AM
        Subject: [G104] Sherman IVc/M4A3,17pounder? *Pics*


        Perhaps the answer to "Where did all of the M4A3 Fireflies go?"

        Go to:

        <A HREF="http://modelersite.com/">http://modelersite.com</A>

        Select Language

        Agree to usage terms.

        Click on ARCHIVE

        Click on ARMOR

        Select: Argentine Sherman

        Result a photo walkaround of a rather heavily used Sherman IVc
        (remanufactured DV model) converted near the end of the war. (Note the late war exhaust
        deflector.) Currently on duty in Argentina.

        We know that Argentina received 120 Fireflies, officially Vc and Ic models.

        Perhaps a few from the US conversion lot were slipped in the mix?

        Let me know what you think.

        mike









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      • Peter BROWN
        According to BLINDADOS ARGENTINOS, URUGUYOS Y PARAGUYOS by Ricardo Sigal Fogliani (ISBN 987-95382-7-2) published by Ayer Y Hoy Ediciones, Cochabamba 1437 PB
        Message 3 of 7 , Jul 19 10:36 PM
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          According to BLINDADOS ARGENTINOS, URUGUYOS Y PARAGUYOS by Ricardo Sigal
          Fogliani (ISBN 987-95382-7-2) published by Ayer Y Hoy Ediciones, Cochabamba
          1437 PB "A", Capital Federal, Cod. 1148, Buenos Aires, Republica Argentina
          which I believe is out of print, some 120 vehicles were refitted with the
          French Poyaud 520 diesel, 8 cylinder "V" giving 450HP at 2,600 r.p.m, but
          other references state that it is a Poyaud 580 V8 S25 liquid-cooled diesel
          engines developing 570 hp
        • mykef2@aol.com
          Are there any photos of the modifications or the modified tanks in this reference? mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          Message 4 of 7 , Jul 20 12:17 PM
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            Are there any photos of the modifications or the modified tanks in this
            reference?

            mike


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