From: "Peter Brown" <pwbrown@...>
Sorting out some old papers I came on this letter from the man who imported
the Grizzlies into the UK from Portugal.
I was asking after hull and WD numbers but as far as I can see I did not
follow this up.
May interest you though.
IAN McGREGOR (Defence)
MILITARY FIGHTING VEHICLES, ARTILLERY, FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
Fron Ganol, Hirwaen, Llanbedr D.C., Rhuthun, Clwyd LL15 1TA, North Wales,
To - Mr. P.W.Brown
29th October 1985
Dear Mr Brown,
I have imported and sold forty nine Grizzly tanks to date, and as far as I
am aware the hull numbers were in the 188 range. No 1 is parked at Charley
Mann's Museum, and is the property of a policeman, called Harvey from Looe.
From memory the highest number is 181, and this has probably gone to the
M.O.D. As far as I can make out the hull numbers do not relate to the serial
I have sent one to Warsaw Museum, No 160252 (Hull No:59) and have here
No:119 serial no: 163943.
If my memory serves me right, Grizzlys were made from September to December
43, and the first were smooth sided, and the last were cast with swells over
the ammo bins. It can be seen that a retro-fitted set of plates, was welded
on some tanks with smooth sides, presumeably before the last mould was
I would suspect that your serial number run will include all sorts of other
production as well.
I know that the Grizzlys were kept in Montreal as training tanks, and sold
to the Portuguese in the early sixties, they used them up to the revolution
in 73, and I bought most of the gun tanks in 83. There are still at least
eighty Kangaroos left in Portugal, which are again Grizzly based, I have not
examined these closely, but hope to shortly.
The hull number on a Grizzly is stamped under the distinctive "G" foundry
mark on the front plate. It is usualy painted over and for this reason a
digit is often missed.
With the high number of surviving Grizzlys, I would be surprised if any saw
active service, although I have seen machine gun spang marks on several.
If you give me a ring I can tell you where quite a lot have gone to, and you
should be able to gather more data.
I believe that we have some plates down south, that we removed from tanks
that were sold to the M.O.D.
I hope this is of some use, and remain,