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44Re: How Thinking Goes Wrong

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  • Abrigon Gusiq
    Oct 16 4:22 PM
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      Yes, how much was faith vs religion? The Soviets used the church for its own
      purposes, but so did the Tsar and family.

      Or why we have the "Old Belivers" here in Alaska, to get away from the top
      down manipulations. But you get it all over, be it Catholic, or Shinto.
      Church of England or Tibetan Buddism.

      Faith - Individual
      Religeon - group, structure, bureacracy. Often its "you will be like this,
      and do this and follow our direction". Even sometimes used for less honest
      professions, such as spying. See why the Serbs/Croat and Bosnians are at
      each others throats, often cause of manipulations by religious bodies, but
      for political reasons.


      In God we Trust, all others pay cash, but Satan LOVES CREDIT

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Erik Max Francis" <max@...>
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      Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:37 PM
      Subject: Re: [sfconsim-l] Re: How Thinking Goes Wrong

      > Satan_Klaus wrote:
      >> After the collapse, there was not much stability to be had anywhere in
      >> the ex-soviet union. And in times of crisis, people tend to look for
      >> something stable in life. Be it a marriage or a religion. So I think
      >> this is what we are seeing. In addition, the Soviet Union never outlawed
      >> religion so the KGB argument is pretty much moot. But the soviet union
      >> WAS a religion. It was spiritual. It was something greater than yourself
      >> to believe in. But after the collapse, no one in his right mind believed
      >> in what passed for democracy in Russia the way some people believe in
      >> democracy in the USA. So the replacement religion was just gone and
      >> people needed something else.
      > But as I pointed out, despite the constant rhetoric, there was an awful
      > lot of religiosity in the Soviet Union even in its heyday. This
      > explosion of religiosity is something that Randi is simply asserting,
      > and Shermer is crediting him as saying.
      > Did it go up at the Soviet Union when the formal pressures for atheism
      > were gone? Probably. But the key is how _much_ it went up -- it wasn't
      > exactly rare before the Soviet Union's fall.
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