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  • John
    Jan Pieters Terpstra was born 4 October 1800 in Franeker, baptized 26 October 1800 in Franeker; son of Pieter Wiegers Terpstra and Eelkje Jans. He married
    Message 1 of 9 , Jul 14 6:37 AM
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      Jan Pieters Terpstra was born 4 October 1800 in Franeker, baptized 26 October 1800 in Franeker; son of Pieter Wiegers Terpstra and Eelkje Jans. He married first on 3 May 1828 in gemeente Barradeel to Riemke Gerrits Herrema (she died 29 Sept. 1833 in gem. Franekeradeel). Jan died 15 March 1869 at age 68 in gemeente Barradeel.

      With Saapke it is more difficult. Her parents were Jan Sydzes Boersma and Antje Jacobs Twijnstra. She was born between 1795-1796 in Ferwerd, gem. Ferwerderadeel (according to her first marriage record). Her other siblings baptisms are noted in the records online but I could not find Saapke's birth or baptism. There is a gap between her next older sibling (a brother-1791) and next younger sibling (a sister-1804). She was first married to Cornelis Pieters Noorda on 28 January 1820 in the gemeente Het Bildt. Cornelis Noorda died in 1833 in the gemeente Barradeel. Saapke Jans Boersma died 6 February 1878 in the gemeente Barradeel.

      Maybe someone can look at the books in TRESOAR for you to see if they can find her exact birth date or maybe someone has another idea where to find Saapke's birthdate.

      greeting,

      John
    • L. Bijlsma
      Hello John, I suppose that Saapke is baptist with the name Sipke, look what I found. Lineke Ferwerderadeel, huwelijken 1781 Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk op
      Message 2 of 9 , Jul 14 8:09 AM
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        Hello John,

        I suppose that Saapke is baptist with the name Sipke, look what I found.
        Lineke

        Ferwerderadeel, huwelijken 1781

        Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk op 11 november 1781 in Marrum

        Man : Jan Sydses afkomstig van Westernijkerk

        Vrouw : Antje Jacobs afkomstig van Marrum

        Gestandaardiseerde namen: JAN SIEDSES en ANTJE JAKOBS



        Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1782, doopjaar 1782

        Dopeling: Jacob

        Geboren op 23 oktober 1782 in Ferwerd

        Gedoopt op 10 november 1782 in Ferwerd

        Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Dopeling : JAKOB of JAKOBJE

        Vader : JAN SIEDSES

        Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS



        Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1784, doopjaar 1784

        Dopeling: Antje

        Geboren op 18 april 1784 in Ferwerd

        Gedoopt op 16 mei 1784 in Ferwerd

        Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Dopeling : ANSKE of ANTJE

        Vader : JAN SIEDSES

        Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS



        Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1785, doopjaar 1785

        Dopeling: Sijtske

        Geboren op 20 oktober 1785 in Ferwerd

        Gedoopt op 6 november 1785 in Ferwerd

        Dochter van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Dopeling : SIETSKE

        Vader : JAN SIEDSES

        Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS



        Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1788, doopjaar 1788

        Dopeling: Sijds

        Geboren op 11 april 1788 in Ferwerd

        Gedoopt op 4 mei 1788 in Ferwerd

        Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Dopeling : SIEDS of SIETSKE

        Vader : JAN SIEDSES

        Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS



        Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1791, doopjaar 1791

        Dopeling: Sipke

        Geboren op 27 april 1791 in Ferwerd

        Gedoopt op 21 mei 1791 in Ferwerd

        Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Dopeling : SIPKE of SIPKJE

        Vader : JAN SIEDSES

        Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS




        Harlingen overlijden/begraven 1804

        Overleden: Jan Sydsis

        Datum : 15 maart 1804

        Plaats : Harlingen

        Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):

        Persoon: JAN SIEDSES



        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "John" <frysk48@...>
        To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:37 PM
        Subject: [Friesland-genealogy] Re: Jan Pieters Terpstra and Saapke Jans
        Boersma


        Jan Pieters Terpstra was born 4 October 1800 in Franeker, baptized 26
        October 1800 in Franeker; son of Pieter Wiegers Terpstra and Eelkje Jans. He
        married first on 3 May 1828 in gemeente Barradeel to Riemke Gerrits Herrema
        (she died 29 Sept. 1833 in gem. Franekeradeel). Jan died 15 March 1869 at
        age 68 in gemeente Barradeel.

        With Saapke it is more difficult. Her parents were Jan Sydzes Boersma and
        Antje Jacobs Twijnstra. She was born between 1795-1796 in Ferwerd, gem.
        Ferwerderadeel (according to her first marriage record). Her other siblings
        baptisms are noted in the records online but I could not find Saapke's birth
        or baptism. There is a gap between her next older sibling (a brother-1791)
        and next younger sibling (a sister-1804). She was first married to Cornelis
        Pieters Noorda on 28 January 1820 in the gemeente Het Bildt. Cornelis Noorda
        died in 1833 in the gemeente Barradeel. Saapke Jans Boersma died 6 February
        1878 in the gemeente Barradeel.

        Maybe someone can look at the books in TRESOAR for you to see if they can
        find her exact birth date or maybe someone has another idea where to find
        Saapke's birthdate.

        greeting,

        John
      • John
        Hello, I do not think that Saapke was baptized as Sipke because I found Sipke s marriage record: Huwelijksakte Het Bildt, 1821 Man: Sipke Jans Boersma, oud 30
        Message 3 of 9 , Jul 14 2:30 PM
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          Hello,

          I do not think that Saapke was baptized as Sipke because I found Sipke's marriage record:

          Huwelijksakte Het Bildt, 1821
          Man: Sipke Jans Boersma, oud 30 jaar, geboren te Ferwerd, gemeente
          Ferwerderadeel
          Ouders: Jan Sydses Boersma en Antje Jacobs
          Vrouw: Ymkje Sydses Crab, oud 29 jaar, geboren te St. Annaparochie
          Ouders: Syds Cornelis Crab en Antje Cornelis
          Datum: 20 mei 1821, akte nr. 22
          Opm.: Familienamen bruid en haar vader ook vermeld als "Crap"

          His age is 30 so that would make him born around 1791 which is confirmed by this record:

          Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1791, doopjaar 1791
          Dopeling: Sipke
          Geboren op 27 april 1791 in Ferwerd
          Gedoopt op 21 mei 1791 in Ferwerd
          Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs

          In Saapke's first marriage in 1820 her age is listed as 24 years. So, that would make her born between 1795-1796. When she died in 1878 her age is listed as 82 which also puts her birth year as between 1795-1796.

          John




          --- In Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com, "L. Bijlsma" <el.bee1@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello John,
          >
          > I suppose that Saapke is baptist with the name Sipke, look what I found.
          > Lineke
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, huwelijken 1781
          >
          > Vermelding: Bevestiging huwelijk op 11 november 1781 in Marrum
          >
          > Man : Jan Sydses afkomstig van Westernijkerk
          >
          > Vrouw : Antje Jacobs afkomstig van Marrum
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen: JAN SIEDSES en ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1782, doopjaar 1782
          >
          > Dopeling: Jacob
          >
          > Geboren op 23 oktober 1782 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Gedoopt op 10 november 1782 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Dopeling : JAKOB of JAKOBJE
          >
          > Vader : JAN SIEDSES
          >
          > Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1784, doopjaar 1784
          >
          > Dopeling: Antje
          >
          > Geboren op 18 april 1784 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Gedoopt op 16 mei 1784 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Dopeling : ANSKE of ANTJE
          >
          > Vader : JAN SIEDSES
          >
          > Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1785, doopjaar 1785
          >
          > Dopeling: Sijtske
          >
          > Geboren op 20 oktober 1785 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Gedoopt op 6 november 1785 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Dochter van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Dopeling : SIETSKE
          >
          > Vader : JAN SIEDSES
          >
          > Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1788, doopjaar 1788
          >
          > Dopeling: Sijds
          >
          > Geboren op 11 april 1788 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Gedoopt op 4 mei 1788 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Dopeling : SIEDS of SIETSKE
          >
          > Vader : JAN SIEDSES
          >
          > Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          > Ferwerderadeel, dopen, geboortejaar 1791, doopjaar 1791
          >
          > Dopeling: Sipke
          >
          > Geboren op 27 april 1791 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Gedoopt op 21 mei 1791 in Ferwerd
          >
          > Kind van Jan Siedses en Antje Jacobs
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Dopeling : SIPKE of SIPKJE
          >
          > Vader : JAN SIEDSES
          >
          > Moeder : ANTJE JAKOBS
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Harlingen overlijden/begraven 1804
          >
          > Overleden: Jan Sydsis
          >
          > Datum : 15 maart 1804
          >
          > Plaats : Harlingen
          >
          > Gestandaardiseerde namen (voornaam en patroniem):
          >
          > Persoon: JAN SIEDSES
          >
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "John" <frysk48@...>
          > To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 3:37 PM
          > Subject: [Friesland-genealogy] Re: Jan Pieters Terpstra and Saapke Jans
          > Boersma
          >
          >
          > Jan Pieters Terpstra was born 4 October 1800 in Franeker, baptized 26
          > October 1800 in Franeker; son of Pieter Wiegers Terpstra and Eelkje Jans. He
          > married first on 3 May 1828 in gemeente Barradeel to Riemke Gerrits Herrema
          > (she died 29 Sept. 1833 in gem. Franekeradeel). Jan died 15 March 1869 at
          > age 68 in gemeente Barradeel.
          >
          > With Saapke it is more difficult. Her parents were Jan Sydzes Boersma and
          > Antje Jacobs Twijnstra. She was born between 1795-1796 in Ferwerd, gem.
          > Ferwerderadeel (according to her first marriage record). Her other siblings
          > baptisms are noted in the records online but I could not find Saapke's birth
          > or baptism. There is a gap between her next older sibling (a brother-1791)
          > and next younger sibling (a sister-1804). She was first married to Cornelis
          > Pieters Noorda on 28 January 1820 in the gemeente Het Bildt. Cornelis Noorda
          > died in 1833 in the gemeente Barradeel. Saapke Jans Boersma died 6 February
          > 1878 in the gemeente Barradeel.
          >
          > Maybe someone can look at the books in TRESOAR for you to see if they can
          > find her exact birth date or maybe someone has another idea where to find
          > Saapke's birthdate.
          >
          > greeting,
          >
          > John
          >
        • van 't Zet
          Hallo John, Dit is wat ik in mijn bestand heb. misschien toch wat aanvbullingen, want er blijkt ook nog een Rienk te zijn. Ouders van Antje zijn Jacob Jacobs
          Message 4 of 9 , Jul 15 6:04 AM
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            Hallo John,
            Dit is wat ik in mijn bestand heb.
            misschien toch wat aanvbullingen, want er blijkt ook nog een Rienk te zijn.
            Ouders van Antje zijn Jacob Jacobs enb Sietske Rienks.
            Deze namen komen overeen met de vernoeming van de kinderen.

            Er staat me iets bij dat het gezin doopsgezind is geworden, maar ik heb het er niet bij genoteerd.
            Vandaar dat de laatste drie kinderen niet gedoopt te vinden zijn.

            Memories van Successie
            Kantoor Leeuwarden, overl. jaar 1834
            Overledene : Antje Jacobs Twijnstra
            Overleden op: 6 september 1834
            Wonende te : St.Annaparochie
            Tekst: weduwe van Jan Sydzes Boersma (overleden 4/10/1833: ingesteld vruchtgebruik vervalt nu aan hun kinderen); moeder van
            1. Antje (vrouw van Rinse Pieters Hoogland, landbouwer),
            2. Sipke, gardenier,
            3. Rienk, idem,
            4. Trijntje (vrouw van Jan Jans Kuiken, landbouwer),
            5. Sytske (weduwe van Pieter Ruurds de Vries), arbeidster (nr.280),
            6. Syds, arbeider Tzummarum en
            7. Saapke Jans Boersma (weduwe van Cornelis Pieters Noorda), boerin aldaar.
            Er behoorde onroerend goed tot de nalatenschap

            vreemd dat zoon Jacob Jans Boersma er niet bijstaat hij krijgt tussen 1811 en 1825 7 kinderen, hij is dan wel overleden maar hij had kinderen!!.


            Jacob * 1782 + 26-02-1827
            Antje * 1784 +20-05-1862
            Sietske * 1785 + 21-03-1848
            Syds *1788
            Sipke 1791 + 11-01-1849
            Saapke omstreeks 1795 + 06-02-1878
            Rienk omstreeks 1799 + 17-02-1848
            Trijn omstreeks 1804

            met groet
            Carla van 't Zet





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          • Cor
            Charlene, Kornelis * 30-10-1794 baptized 23-11-1794 in Tzummarum/Barradeel. Dr. of Pytter Kornelis and Bottje Pieters, countryman/farmer close to Tzummarum.
            Message 5 of 9 , Jul 16 9:06 AM
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              Charlene,

              Kornelis * 30-10-1794 baptized 23-11-1794 in Tzummarum/Barradeel.

              Dr. of Pytter Kornelis and Bottje Pieters, countryman/farmer close to
              Tzummarum.

              Bottje + 27-02-1804.

              Saapke * 30-09-1795 in Ternaard.

              Living from 1808 to 1820 in St. Annaparochie.

              Parents Jan Siedzes Boersma en Antje Jacobs Twijnstra living

              in St. Annaparochie.


              Greetings,
              Cor



              Subject: [Friesland-genealogy] Re: Jan Pieters Terpstra and Saapke Jans
              Boersma


              Jan Pieters Terpstra was born 4 October 1800 in Franeker, baptized 26
              October 1800 in Franeker; son of Pieter Wiegers Terpstra and Eelkje Jans. He
              married first on 3 May 1828 in gemeente Barradeel to Riemke Gerrits Herrema
              (she died 29 Sept. 1833 in gem. Franekeradeel). Jan died 15 March 1869 at
              age 68 in gemeente Barradeel.

              With Saapke it is more difficult. Her parents were Jan Sydzes Boersma and
              Antje Jacobs Twijnstra. She was born between 1795-1796 in Ferwerd, gem.
              Ferwerderadeel (according to her first marriage record). Her other siblings
              baptisms are noted in the records online but I could not find Saapke's birth
              or baptism. There is a gap between her next older sibling (a brother-1791)
              and next younger sibling (a sister-1804). She was first married to Cornelis
              Pieters Noorda on 28 January 1820 in the gemeente Het Bildt. Cornelis Noorda
              died in 1833 in the gemeente Barradeel. Saapke Jans Boersma died 6 February
              1878 in the gemeente Barradeel.

              Maybe someone can look at the books in TRESOAR for you to see if they can
              find her exact birth date or maybe someone has another idea where to find
              Saapke's birthdate.

              greeting,

              John





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            • boaz_06479
              Thank you for all the information on the Terpstra and Boersma family. We are planning a Terpstra family reunion next year in Wisconsin and I need all the
              Message 6 of 9 , Jul 17 3:36 AM
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                Thank you for all the information on the Terpstra and Boersma family. We are planning a Terpstra family reunion next year in Wisconsin and I need all the information I can get.

                I have a few questions? Would I be able to find my ancestors gravesite if I were to go over there?

                Would they have records of their land or where they lived? How far do the records go back on the families?

                Did they speak the Dutch language also back then?

                What main religion back in the 1800, Catholic or Protestant? You said some of the children were baptized, to what religion?

                I must still have distant relatives still living over in Friesland.

                Thanks, Charlene Herrmann
              • Nynke van den Hooven
                Charlene, No, it would be highly unlikely to find gravesites of 19th century (or earlier) ancestors in the Netherlands. Yes, it is possible that there would be
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 17 6:06 AM
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                  Charlene,



                  No, it would be highly unlikely to find gravesites of 19th century (or
                  earlier) ancestors in the Netherlands.



                  Yes, it is possible that there would be land records (i.e. after 1831), but
                  only if your ancestors possessed land of course. Which, according to estate
                  tax records, they did. At least Saapke Jans Boersma did. According to the
                  estate tax record she possessed real estate at the time of her death in
                  1878. Possibly in Tzummarum.



                  No, your ancestors probably didn’t speak Dutch, but Frisian, as that was the
                  common language in the province of Friesland.



                  In the 1800s Dutch people could have had various religions, but the main
                  religion would probably have been Protestant (i.e. Dutch Reformed). In the
                  pre-1811 baptism registrations you can find what religion your ancestors
                  had. E.g. Jan Pieters Terpstra was baptised Dutch Reformed. So were Saapke’s
                  siblings. Cor apparently only found a birth date for Saapke in the marital
                  supplements of the marriage certificate, which could imply she was not
                  baptised at all.



                  Kind regards,

                  Nynke van den Hooven



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                  Onderwerp: [Friesland-genealogy] Jan Pieters Terpstra and Saapke Jans
                  Boersma





                  Thank you for all the information on the Terpstra and Boersma family. We are
                  planning a Terpstra family reunion next year in Wisconsin and I need all the
                  information I can get.

                  I have a few questions? Would I be able to find my ancestors gravesite if I
                  were to go over there?

                  Would they have records of their land or where they lived? How far do the
                  records go back on the families?

                  Did they speak the Dutch language also back then?

                  What main religion back in the 1800, Catholic or Protestant? You said some
                  of the children were baptized, to what religion?

                  I must still have distant relatives still living over in Friesland.

                  Thanks, Charlene Herrmann





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                • Cor
                  Charlene and Nynke, Cor apparently only found a birth date for Saapke in the marital supplements of the marriage certificate, which could imply she was not
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jul 17 9:25 AM
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                    Charlene and Nynke,

                    Cor apparently only found a birth date for Saapke in the marital
                    supplements of the marriage certificate, which could imply she was not
                    baptised at all.

                    Yes Nynke you are all right.
                    And the baptism was in Tzummarum, but no religion
                    in the certificate, I think Protestant.
                    I don't know there a Catholic church.

                    Greetings,
                    Cor
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