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  • Nynke van den Hooven
    Marianne, Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen van Jankes/Harmkes geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed overleed, was het vrij
    Message 1 of 5 , Feb 3, 2004
      Marianne,

      Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen van Jankes/Harmkes
      geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed overleed, was het vrij
      ongebruikelijk een kind naar haar moeder te noemen. Tenzij uiteraard één van
      de beppes of oerbeppes zo heette. Je zou het via info@... kunnen
      navragen.

      Maybe be a mistake has been made in copying Jankes/Harmkes birthcertificate?
      Unless the mother died at childbirth, it was quite unusual to name a child
      after her mother. Unless ofcourse it was the name of one of her grand- or
      greatgrandmothers. You might ask info@... to check.

      Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
      Nynke van den Hooven.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Marianne van Huissteden" <mara020693@...>
      To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
      Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Pot. Koolhaas. Kornelis. Smit. Smint.


      Hi Ed,

      It annoyed me a bit that I couldn't find any more info of Jan Frederik Sment
      and the two children of his first marriage to Harmke Kornelis Zagema,
      Frederik and Harmke. So I searched a bit more, and on the site of Tresoar I
      found registration info that they left for the USA on july 1, 1882. What
      puzzles me, is that the name of the daughter is not Harmke, but Janke.
      Harmke was registered at birth as born march 24, 1872 and Janke in the
      registration below march 28, 1872. But then again, the d.o.b. mentioned
      below of Jan en his son Frederik differ slightly from the ones mentioned in
      their birth registrations. (Jan january 27, 1836 and Frederik december 23,
      1869, all info obtained from Tresoar). So I think it is safe to assume that
      they are the same persons. The only thing I can't explain is the name change
      of the daughter.

      Bevolking FERWERDERADEEL
      JAN FREDERIKS SMENT, WERKMAN-WORKMAN
      SINGLE MALE INDIVIDUAL OR SINGLE MALE PARENT, WIDOW(ER)
      Geb: 24-1-1836
      Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
      FREDERIK JANS SMENT
      SON, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
      Geb: 22-12-1869
      Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
      JANKE JANS SMENT
      DAUGHTER, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
      Geb: 28-3-1872
      Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
      Vertrokken naar: USA-UNIDENTIFIED REGION, 1-7-1882

      Kind regards,
      Marianne
      <knip>
    • Edwin Morgan
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      Message 2 of 5 , Feb 3, 2004
        Thank you for the tip. Ed Morgan


        --- Nynke van den Hooven
        <nynkevandenhooven@...> wrote:
        > Marianne,
        >
        > Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen
        > van Jankes/Harmkes
        > geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed
        > overleed, was het vrij
        > ongebruikelijk een kind naar haar moeder te noemen.
        > Tenzij uiteraard ��n van
        > de beppes of oerbeppes zo heette. Je zou het via
        > info@... kunnen
        > navragen.
        >
        > Maybe be a mistake has been made in copying
        > Jankes/Harmkes birthcertificate?
        > Unless the mother died at childbirth, it was quite
        > unusual to name a child
        > after her mother. Unless ofcourse it was the name of
        > one of her grand- or
        > greatgrandmothers. You might ask info@... to
        > check.
        >
        > Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
        > Nynke van den Hooven.
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Marianne van Huissteden"
        > <mara020693@...>
        > To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
        > Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Pot. Koolhaas.
        > Kornelis. Smit. Smint.
        >
        >
        > Hi Ed,
        >
        > It annoyed me a bit that I couldn't find any more
        > info of Jan Frederik Sment
        > and the two children of his first marriage to Harmke
        > Kornelis Zagema,
        > Frederik and Harmke. So I searched a bit more, and
        > on the site of Tresoar I
        > found registration info that they left for the USA
        > on july 1, 1882. What
        > puzzles me, is that the name of the daughter is not
        > Harmke, but Janke.
        > Harmke was registered at birth as born march 24,
        > 1872 and Janke in the
        > registration below march 28, 1872. But then again,
        > the d.o.b. mentioned
        > below of Jan en his son Frederik differ slightly
        > from the ones mentioned in
        > their birth registrations. (Jan january 27, 1836 and
        > Frederik december 23,
        > 1869, all info obtained from Tresoar). So I think it
        > is safe to assume that
        > they are the same persons. The only thing I can't
        > explain is the name change
        > of the daughter.
        >
        > Bevolking FERWERDERADEEL
        > JAN FREDERIKS SMENT, WERKMAN-WORKMAN
        > SINGLE MALE INDIVIDUAL OR SINGLE MALE
        > PARENT, WIDOW(ER)
        > Geb: 24-1-1836
        > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
        > FREDERIK JANS SMENT
        > SON, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
        > Geb: 22-12-1869
        > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
        > JANKE JANS SMENT
        > DAUGHTER, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
        > Geb: 28-3-1872
        > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
        > Vertrokken naar: USA-UNIDENTIFIED REGION, 1-7-1882
        >
        > Kind regards,
        > Marianne
        > <knip>
        >


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      • Marianne van Huissteden
        Hello Ed and Nynke, I sent an email to Tresoar regarding this Harmke/Janke confusion. Also I asked about Jacob, son of Dieuwke Pot and (probably) Oege
        Message 3 of 5 , Feb 3, 2004
          Hello Ed and Nynke,

          I sent an email to Tresoar regarding this Harmke/Janke confusion.
          Also I asked about Jacob, son of Dieuwke Pot and (probably) Oege Koolhaas, where Oeges mother is listed as one of the parents. As soon as I get a reply, I will let you know.

          Nynke van den Hooven <nynkevandenhooven@...> wrote:
          Marianne,

          Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen van Jankes/Harmkes
          geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed overleed, was het vrij
          ongebruikelijk een kind naar haar moeder te noemen. Tenzij uiteraard ��n van
          de beppes of oerbeppes zo heette. Je zou het via info@... kunnen
          navragen.

          Maybe be a mistake has been made in copying Jankes/Harmkes birthcertificate?
          Unless the mother died at childbirth, it was quite unusual to name a child
          after her mother. Unless ofcourse it was the name of one of her grand- or
          greatgrandmothers. You might ask info@... to check.

          Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
          Nynke van den Hooven.

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Marianne van Huissteden" <mara020693@...>
          To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
          Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Pot. Koolhaas. Kornelis. Smit. Smint.


          Hi Ed,

          It annoyed me a bit that I couldn't find any more info of Jan Frederik Sment
          and the two children of his first marriage to Harmke Kornelis Zagema,
          Frederik and Harmke. So I searched a bit more, and on the site of Tresoar I
          found registration info that they left for the USA on july 1, 1882. What
          puzzles me, is that the name of the daughter is not Harmke, but Janke.
          Harmke was registered at birth as born march 24, 1872 and Janke in the
          registration below march 28, 1872. But then again, the d.o.b. mentioned
          below of Jan en his son Frederik differ slightly from the ones mentioned in
          their birth registrations. (Jan january 27, 1836 and Frederik december 23,
          1869, all info obtained from Tresoar). So I think it is safe to assume that
          they are the same persons. The only thing I can't explain is the name change
          of the daughter.

          Bevolking FERWERDERADEEL
          JAN FREDERIKS SMENT, WERKMAN-WORKMAN
          SINGLE MALE INDIVIDUAL OR SINGLE MALE PARENT, WIDOW(ER)
          Geb: 24-1-1836
          Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
          FREDERIK JANS SMENT
          SON, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
          Geb: 22-12-1869
          Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
          JANKE JANS SMENT
          DAUGHTER, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
          Geb: 28-3-1872
          Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
          Vertrokken naar: USA-UNIDENTIFIED REGION, 1-7-1882

          Kind regards,
          Marianne
          <knip>


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        • Marianne van Huissteden
          Hi Nynke and Ed, I received an answer from Tresoar. There have been made mistakes when entering the mentioned data in the database. It turns out that Jacob
          Message 4 of 5 , Feb 5, 2004
            Hi Nynke and Ed,

            I received an answer from Tresoar. There have been made mistakes when entering the mentioned data in the database. It turns out that Jacob Wijnstra, born august 30 1880 Ferwerderadeel, is a child of the unmarried Dieuwke Pot and therefore his last name is Pot (and not Wijnstra).
            It further turns out that in the birth registration Ferwerderadeel, march 25 1872, nr. 82, the name of the child is Janke instead of Harmke.

            These mistakes will be rectified as soon as possible.

            regards,
            Marianne

            Marianne van Huissteden <mara020693@...> wrote:

            Hello Ed and Nynke,

            I sent an email to Tresoar regarding this Harmke/Janke confusion.
            Also I asked about Jacob, son of Dieuwke Pot and (probably) Oege Koolhaas, where Oeges mother is listed as one of the parents. As soon as I get a reply, I will let you know.

            Nynke van den Hooven wrote:
            Marianne,

            Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen van Jankes/Harmkes
            geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed overleed, was het vrij
            ongebruikelijk een kind naar haar moeder te noemen. Tenzij uiteraard ��n van
            de beppes of oerbeppes zo heette. Je zou het via info@... kunnen
            navragen.

            Maybe be a mistake has been made in copying Jankes/Harmkes birthcertificate?
            Unless the mother died at childbirth, it was quite unusual to name a child
            after her mother. Unless ofcourse it was the name of one of her grand- or
            greatgrandmothers. You might ask info@... to check.

            Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
            Nynke van den Hooven.

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "Marianne van Huissteden"
            To:
            Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
            Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Pot. Koolhaas. Kornelis. Smit. Smint.


            Hi Ed,

            It annoyed me a bit that I couldn't find any more info of Jan Frederik Sment
            and the two children of his first marriage to Harmke Kornelis Zagema,
            Frederik and Harmke. So I searched a bit more, and on the site of Tresoar I
            found registration info that they left for the USA on july 1, 1882. What
            puzzles me, is that the name of the daughter is not Harmke, but Janke.
            Harmke was registered at birth as born march 24, 1872 and Janke in the
            registration below march 28, 1872. But then again, the d.o.b. mentioned
            below of Jan en his son Frederik differ slightly from the ones mentioned in
            their birth registrations. (Jan january 27, 1836 and Frederik december 23,
            1869, all info obtained from Tresoar). So I think it is safe to assume that
            they are the same persons. The only thing I can't explain is the name change
            of the daughter.

            Bevolking FERWERDERADEEL
            JAN FREDERIKS SMENT, WERKMAN-WORKMAN
            SINGLE MALE INDIVIDUAL OR SINGLE MALE PARENT, WIDOW(ER)
            Geb: 24-1-1836
            Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
            FREDERIK JANS SMENT
            SON, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
            Geb: 22-12-1869
            Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
            JANKE JANS SMENT
            DAUGHTER, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
            Geb: 28-3-1872
            Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
            Vertrokken naar: USA-UNIDENTIFIED REGION, 1-7-1882

            Kind regards,
            Marianne



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          • Edwin Morgan
            Thank you very much. I cannot believe the help you have been. It is very much appreciated. Ed Morgan Dieuwke Pot is my great-grandmother. ... === message
            Message 5 of 5 , Feb 5, 2004
              Thank you very much. I cannot believe the help you
              have been. It is very much appreciated. Ed Morgan

              Dieuwke Pot is my great-grandmother.


              --- Marianne van Huissteden <mara020693@...>
              wrote:
              > Hi Nynke and Ed,
              >
              > I received an answer from Tresoar. There have been
              > made mistakes when entering the mentioned data in
              > the database. It turns out that Jacob Wijnstra, born
              > august 30 1880 Ferwerderadeel, is a child of the
              > unmarried Dieuwke Pot and therefore his last name is
              > Pot (and not Wijnstra).
              > It further turns out that in the birth registration
              > Ferwerderadeel, march 25 1872, nr. 82, the name of
              > the child is Janke instead of Harmke.
              >
              > These mistakes will be rectified as soon as
              > possible.
              >
              > regards,
              > Marianne
              >
              > Marianne van Huissteden <mara020693@...>
              > wrote:
              >
              > Hello Ed and Nynke,
              >
              > I sent an email to Tresoar regarding this
              > Harmke/Janke confusion.
              > Also I asked about Jacob, son of Dieuwke Pot and
              > (probably) Oege Koolhaas, where Oeges mother is
              > listed as one of the parents. As soon as I get a
              > reply, I will let you know.
              >
              > Nynke van den Hooven wrote:
              > Marianne,
              >
              > Misschien is er een fout gemaakt bij het overnemen
              > van Jankes/Harmkes
              > geboorteakte? Tenzij de moeder in het kraambed
              > overleed, was het vrij
              > ongebruikelijk een kind naar haar moeder te noemen.
              > Tenzij uiteraard ��n van
              > de beppes of oerbeppes zo heette. Je zou het via
              > info@... kunnen
              > navragen.
              >
              > Maybe be a mistake has been made in copying
              > Jankes/Harmkes birthcertificate?
              > Unless the mother died at childbirth, it was quite
              > unusual to name a child
              > after her mother. Unless ofcourse it was the name of
              > one of her grand- or
              > greatgrandmothers. You might ask info@... to
              > check.
              >
              > Met vriendelijke groet/Kind regards,
              > Nynke van den Hooven.
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Marianne van Huissteden"
              > To:
              > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:35 AM
              > Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Pot. Koolhaas.
              > Kornelis. Smit. Smint.
              >
              >
              > Hi Ed,
              >
              > It annoyed me a bit that I couldn't find any more
              > info of Jan Frederik Sment
              > and the two children of his first marriage to Harmke
              > Kornelis Zagema,
              > Frederik and Harmke. So I searched a bit more, and
              > on the site of Tresoar I
              > found registration info that they left for the USA
              > on july 1, 1882. What
              > puzzles me, is that the name of the daughter is not
              > Harmke, but Janke.
              > Harmke was registered at birth as born march 24,
              > 1872 and Janke in the
              > registration below march 28, 1872. But then again,
              > the d.o.b. mentioned
              > below of Jan en his son Frederik differ slightly
              > from the ones mentioned in
              > their birth registrations. (Jan january 27, 1836 and
              > Frederik december 23,
              > 1869, all info obtained from Tresoar). So I think it
              > is safe to assume that
              > they are the same persons. The only thing I can't
              > explain is the name change
              > of the daughter.
              >
              > Bevolking FERWERDERADEEL
              > JAN FREDERIKS SMENT, WERKMAN-WORKMAN
              > SINGLE MALE INDIVIDUAL OR SINGLE MALE PARENT,
              > WIDOW(ER)
              > Geb: 24-1-1836
              > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
              > FREDERIK JANS SMENT
              > SON, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
              > Geb: 22-12-1869
              > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
              > JANKE JANS SMENT
              > DAUGHTER, UNMARRIED/SINGLE
              > Geb: 28-3-1872
              > Laatste woonplaats: HALLUM
              > Vertrokken naar: USA-UNIDENTIFIED REGION, 1-7-1882
              >
              > Kind regards,
              > Marianne
              >
              >
              >
              > Genealogy yn Frysl�n:
              > http://www.genealogy-yn-fryslan.tk/.
              >
              > Het archief van deze lijst voor Friese genealogen
              > met daarin alle sinds 8 juli 1999 geposte berichten
              > staat op
              > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Friesland-genealogy
              >
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