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6561Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Aangifte door de huisarts

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  • Scott Boelens
    Dec 1, 2001
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      I'll second what Bob wrote. It is a bugger to get
      information sorted out over here. I, too, like the
      Dutch style of information much better.
      Scott

      --- "Robert A. DeVries" <radevries1@...>
      wrote:
      > Dear Taeke,
      >
      > Thank you very much for the quick reply. I did find
      > the death of the child
      > he announced, about 4 months later, with the name of
      > the correct father. The
      > Ryksarchyf database is great and I use it often, so
      > it's good to know of
      > these tricky problems. Unfortunately, searching the
      > boardering province of
      > Groningen for my families is not as easy and I
      > sometimes loose them as they
      > moved back and forth.
      >
      > We have our probelms searching records in the USA as
      > well. Many of the
      > families who came to America also abandon the
      > traditional Dutch first names
      > (for example Freerk = Fred) and sometimes even
      > modified the surnames as
      > well. Often you will find the last surname listed as
      > one word with the first
      > letter capitalized which is how you will find them
      > listed in the phone book
      > (de Vries = De Vries, DeVries or Devries; van
      > Straten = Vanstraten; van der
      > Bij = Vander Bie or Vanderbie). The ij is often
      > changed to y as in Dijkstra
      > = Dykstra; Bijlsma = Bylsma. These name changes
      > block many from searching
      > there families back into the Netherlands (they look
      > for the wrong name) and
      > makes searching Dutch names in the USA very
      > difficult. The other common
      > commom problem was a language barrier, so the
      > officials spelled the names as
      > they sounded. The only place I can usually get the
      > correct Dutch names in
      > the US are in the original church baptism records,
      > and only if it was
      > predominately a Dutch community. The death records
      > of women in the US are
      > also listed under there husband's name which they
      > take upon marriage. If you
      > don't know who they married, you will have nothing
      > to search for a death
      > record. I like the system in the Netherlands much
      > better!
      >
      > The English genealogy programs also don't handle
      > Dutch names very well.
      > I use Family Tree Maker 8.0 and have found using a
      > back slash (\) before the
      > surname allows one to define the last name it will
      > accept, for example
      > Robert \de Vries will be alphabetize in a name index
      > under the d's not V's.
      > Any children added to this name will also take on
      > the \de Vries name. The
      > back slash symbol does not print out on any reports.
      >
      > Warm regards,
      > Robert
      >
      > >From: "Taeke van der Ley" <t.vanderleij@...>
      > >Reply-To: Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
      > >Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Aangifte door de
      > huisarts
      > >Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:19:22 +0100
      > >
      > >Dear Robert,
      > >
      > >The discussion went about a doctor in the northern
      > part of Friesland
      > >(Burum). His name was Regnerus Smit. It turned out
      > that he announced a new
      > >born child in case the father was ill or something.
      > The makers of the
      > >Ryksarchyf database did not read the official
      > document completely and wrote
      > >down the name of the doctor instead of the official
      > father. This is also
      > >the case with Geertje Sytzes Brander. The name of
      > her father defenitely is
      > >NOT Regnerus Smit. Who the real father is you can
      > find out by reading the
      > >official document, although in your case I think it
      > is better to ask
      > >someone else who knows about the family.
      > >
      > >Hope you understand,
      > >Warm regards,
      > >Taeke
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Robert A. DeVries
      > > To: Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: zaterdag 1 december 2001 22:08
      > > Subject: Re: [Friesland-genealogy] Aangifte door
      > de huisarts
      > >
      > >
      > > Dear Taeke,
      > > I know these messages concern Regnerus Smit, but
      > don't understand much
      > >Dutch
      > > or the discussions. I found a Geertje Sytzes
      > Brander married in 24 Mar
      > >1849
      > > in Kollumerland to Sake Jetzes Sjaarda. I am
      > related to Sjaarda through
      > >his
      > > Donker ancestor. They have children in 1851,
      > 1855, and 1859. However, I
      > >also
      > > find a birth record for Jan Smit born 6 May 1857
      > in Kollumerland with
      > > Regnerus Smit as father and Geertje Sytzes
      > Brander as mother. Is the
      > >wrong
      > > father or mother listed; did she divorce and
      > then remarry, or was Jan
      > >Smit a
      > > child from another man in this area?
      > >
      > > Robert de Vries
      > >
      > > >From: "Taeke van der Ley"
      > <t.vanderleij@...>
      > > >Reply-To: Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com
      > > >To: "Friesland Genealogy"
      > <Friesland-genealogy@yahoogroups.com>
      > > >Subject: [Friesland-genealogy] Aangifte door de
      > huisarts
      > > >Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 12:40:57 +0100
      > > >
      > > >Medespeurders,
      > > >
      > > >Kennelijk werden geboorten in het verleden ook
      > aangegeven door de
      > >huisarts.
      > > >De "gemeenteambtenaren" van die tijd schreven
      > dan het kind foutief toe
      > >aan
      > > >de dokter. Zo woonde er rond 1850 een huisarts
      > in Kollumerland, genaamd
      > > >Regnerus Smit. Hij deed regelmatig aangifte van
      > kinderen die vervolgens
      > > >allemaal de achternaam Smit kregen. Als we zo
      > links en rechts aan het
      > > >zoeken zijn in de database van het Ryksarchyf,
      > moeten we hier dus
      > >terdege
      > > >rekening mee houden.
      > > >Het zoeken naar bijvoorbeeld "Wieger Riemersma"
      > levert niets op,
      > >terwijl
      > > >het zoeken naar "Wieger Smit" wel de gewenste
      > gegevens oplevert.
      > > >Uiteindelijk heet "Wieger Smit" dus "Wieger
      > Riemersma". Een tip om
      > >verder
      > > >te komen is ook om op naam van de huisarts te
      > zoeken. Zoek maar eens in
      > >de
      > > >mairie Kollumerland op geboorten naar "Regnerus
      > Smit". Het overzicht
      > > >vermeldt de dokter als vader, maar wel meerdere
      > moeders.
      > > >
      > > >Groet,
      > > >Taeke van der Ley
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been
      > removed]
      > > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
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