375Re: [FraDiavolo] Itrani Films - VAULT ALERT!!!!!
- Mar 11, 2008Linda, I find this fascinating and distrubing as I really did not know about the posthumous baptisms. I am sure the Vatican would not approve of this. Also, when you say the films for Itri are now in the VAULT, do you mean they are no longer available for the online database that one pays for??Don't kid yourself, the Mormons have grown very rich off their database. I am sure that finances so many of their endeavors. I would love to see the financials on ancestry.com. Let me see if I can find anything on that subject.Also, I cannot imagine the Mormons limiting that database based on objections, since they make so much money off it. Exclsion of every group that objects would dent into their profit margin.Marie
Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@...> wrote:Why indeed? If I were urber-suspicious, I'd think that it had something to do with the PBS running of the program on the Mormons and the Italian government objecting to the films being out there since the information in them is used by Mormons to have their ancestors posthumously baptized into the Mormon faith. Somehow, though, I think it just a mundane coincidence that PBS stations around here ran the Mormon program at least 4 times a couple of weeks back that I remember.
That's not to say that there haven't been some groups that have objected to having their people recorded for posterity as Mormons. People of the Jewish faith took great exception to having their ancestors listed as "Mormon" and those people have been removed from the Mormon registers. Now, only if a former member of the Jewish faith submits their own personal ancestors, does a Jewish ancestor get baptized a Mormon. When I saw that segment in the program I thought the speaker's attitude a bit pompus. after all, those ancestors might be that Mormon member's ancestors BUT they are also the ancestors of other people who are of the Jewish faith and might object just as deeply to having their ancestors' faith changed and having someone 100 years from now think that these folks were always Mormon.
I cringe every time the whole thing about the posthumous baptism gets widespread mention such as on the PBS program because I'm afraid that if too many people or religious groups got their backs ups and started complaining and demanding that their ancestors be struck from the registers of Mormons as was done with those of the Jewish faith, that the access to all the materials that we now enjoy will be denied those who are not Mormon. My whole take on the thing is that if someone died a Lutheran, Catholic, Buddhist, Shinto, Episcopalian, Methodist or whatever and had considered themselves in life and had practiced that faith in their lifetime, then someone coming along 100 years later and baptizing them without their knowledge or consent really doesn't change a thing of what happened in the past and is pointless but if it puts someone else at ease within their chosen religion, I can't see much harm in it.
But I do see a great deal of harm to people's research if access to the information in the films is denied. I wonder if it's just the films on Itri or all the Italian films?
marie saccoccio <saccocciom@yahoo. com> wrote:I did some searching and there is a vault outside of Salt Lake City where these are kept. It actually is a whole in the side of a mountain to protect them. Looks kind of space age!!! When you go to Salt Lake City you can view them but you have to order them before hand. It says that some are chosen for safekeeping. I bet there is more to this than meets the eye!! Why Itri of all places??Marie
Linda Peloquin <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:I think so...I went in one day when Verna was pulling films and I asked her about what she was doing and she showed me a list that had come from Salt Lake that our director wanted the volunteers to pull. U know what a stickler he seems to be. I'm afraid to ask and bring attention to the films...I wish there were some way we could spirit them out of there and have bootlegs made...I'd definitely want to share the cost especially if the alternative is having all that information locked away where we can't see it any more.
Jason Soscia <jsoscia3@yahoo. com> wrote:Can they really recall them back to Salt Lake? I paid for most of those Itri films to be kept there indefinitely.
miyukichan0987 <miyukichan0987@ yahoo.com> wrote:I noticed while composing a response to our newest member, Martine,
that quite a few of the films for Itri now say "VAULT INTL Film"
rather than "FHL INTL Film'.
I do know that under certain circumstances, films that were previously
available to research, suddenly become restricted for reasons no one
aka the volunteers at my FHC has been able to tell me because they
don't know either. They just get notices from Salt Lake telling them
to pull the films and return them to the FHL.
If these films that are now "Vault" are to be restricted it would be a
major blow to all of us trying to research our ancestors in Itri! It
has been frustrating enough for me that I can only research the period
between 1809 -1865 but now to lose a major portion of the films of
that period would be an insurmountable research tragedy!
15 of the 26 films of records for Itri are now designated "Vault". I
called my FHC to see if that means the records are no longer available
but the volunteer did not know what "Vault" meant with respect to
films already on loan. So far, the Itrani films at the Warwick, RI
FHC that are on "Indefinite" loan and which constitute nearly a
complete set of all the 26 films available, all seem to still be there.
However, since I don't know if they will at some point in the near
future be ordered pulled from the files and sent back to Salt Lake,
I'm going to start living at the FHC because I am far from done with
searching through those films.
Can anyone tell the rest of us if "Vault" means that we are about to
lose access to over 50% of the available films on Itri or not??
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