327Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Itri - Marseilles Connection?
- Jun 29, 2007Marie,We have been in touch before. My gparents were on the Rochambeau out of LeHavre. What year did yours come over?----- Original Message -----From: marie saccoccioSent: Friday, June 29, 2007 9:46 AMSubject: Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Itri - Marseilles Connection?
Pam, This is fasciniating. My grandmother was a Masci/Sodi. I think it is a good idea to put the family names in when we sign our posts. My Masci/Sodi grandmother is very hard to track. I have never found her and her sisters listed as "Sodi." Perhaps I should have been looking for ship sailing from Marseille, rather than Naples, now that I think of it. She was from Terracina also.
Pamela Costa <photogenea@msn. com> wrote:My grandparents took their ship out of LeHavre, France in 1920. Is that Marseilles or near it? I don't believe they ever lived there. They were from Terracina. My question is how did they get to France? Train, maybe? I would love to find out and if anyone else had relatives on the Rochambeau!They never really talked about anything other than my grandmother dressing like a man so she could remain with my grandfather on the trip over and that she was really seasick.Pam - (Percoco, Masci, DelBono)----- Original Message -----From: rickj100001Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:33 AMSubject: [FraDiavolo] Re: Itri - Marseilles Connection?Great points - all of them. Maybe I am reading too much into all of
But my great-grandmother had 2 children after moving to Marseilles
from Itri, so she wasn't there just to catch the boat.
So it still makes me wonder why this happened at this particular
time and why so many families moved at the same time. It just seems
unusual because it had not happened previously to the extent that it
Just another needle in a haystack of needles.
--- In FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@ ...>
> 1) Poverty and the myth that America's streets were paved with
gold. Perhaps the unification of Italy was also a precipitating
factor though. Hard to ignore that.
> 2) Far fewer French were immigrating so I assume not much of a
wait list. Also, some of the immigrants actually worked on the
ships so essentially got a free passage. Perhaps that was easier to
get from Marseille.
> 3) Such a demand from Naples since that location was the closest
for Southern Italians. Genoa was also an important port of
departure, as was Palermo. But I have seen reported that Marseille
was the 3rd busiest of the bunch for immigration. Naples, the
> rickj100001 <rickj100001@ ...> wrote:
> I wonder if the reason fewer people were sailing from Marseilles
> than Naples isn't part of the answer.
> It just seems to me that such a protracted separation between
> husbands and wives and children must have been driven by something
> more profound than easy access to boats to America. Jason made the
> point that maybe it had to do with the availability of jobs.
> Maybe these really are the real explanations, but it still makes
> 1) Why was it so important to leave Italy at this particular point
> in time that families would separate and immigrate to a foreign
> country (France, eventually USA)?
> 2) Why was it so much easier to get a boat to America from Havre
> than from Naples at the time? Why so much demand to leave from
> I don't know the answers. I do know that Italy only became a
> republic in 1871. I know that the largest thrust of Italian
> immigration to the USA began about 1880.
> Based on this, I can only suspect that some kind of political
> upheaval was at the root of the Itri-Marseilles migration. Of
> course, this is all my own speculation.
> I will continue to research, and I'd love to hear other opinions
> about this.
> --- In FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, marie saccoccio <saccocciom@ >
> > I also saw this in my research. I assumed it had to do with it
> being easier to get a boat from Marseille to NY, than Naples to
> Far fewer people were sailing from Marseille.
> > rickj100001 <rickj100001@ > wrote: I read in another
> thread where someone had questions as to why one of
> > his female ancestors left Itri for Marseilles, France, while the
> > female ancestor's husband remained behind in Itri. Apparently,
> > occurred in at least a few Itri families.
> > This same phenomemon occurred in the Iacueo family when my great
> > grandmother and her children left Itri for Marseilles in the
> > 1800s/early 1900s. They eventually immigrated to the USA from
> > Marseilles to New York in 1908.
> > Does anyone have any information regarding the reason all of
> > families moved from Itri to Marseilles? It's a great mystery to
> > Rick
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