295Re: [FraDiavolo] Re: Western Europe Vital Records Index
- Apr 6, 2007Bonnie,
The first Maria might not have died.
Maria as a first name might be an honorary-religious based naming custom. I haven't found that much with my Itrani family... a lot of Maria Civita's though...but I am finding that is the case with my husband's French-Canadian Catholics.
The girls got Marie in front of their actual given names at baptism and the boys got Joseph, unless of course the child's actual given name was Marie or Joseph, then it wasn't necessary to tack on the "holy" name in front of the actual given name.
So, in addition to considering that the first Maria may have died, because the two girls had different middle names consider the possibility that Maria was tacked on to the girls names in a custom similar to what the Fre-Can Catholics did and the middle names might actually have been their intended given names rather than Maria.
Happy Easter Everyone!! Yea...Spring!!!!
"B. J. Di Crocco" <BonVal@...> wrote:It lists by surname search - birth records and marriage records.
Then it shows by city and region - most of these are the civil
records. So they for example on a wedding certificate show name of
groom, then spouse - their ages in years at time of marriage - then
they show where it was registered - Itri or CastdG (castile di Gaeta)-
then they show groom's parents - including mother's maiden name -
and the same for the bride! So you gain four more people behind those
two -- and if you subtract the ages from the year of marriage, you
figure the approximate birth year - then you can continue to search
for birth records around then - using the generational naming pattern
allows you to second guess a grandparent' s name - although I was
wrong once or twice it did bring me to other family memebers like
uncles and aunts! Those of course help you back to family with their
records!And because this is a digital data system it is all neatly
typed in and easier to read than microfilm! I can honestly say I have
made more progress in one week than I have in two years! It is
suddenly falling into place so nicely! 'Course it could just be I
finally am on a learning curve but it has been so exciting! One of
the highlights - on microfilm I found a birth certificate for someone
named Crocco (mother) - so I photocopied it and saved it - not sure
why. But a few moonths later I found another DiCrocco and I ahve
learned to save all references to our last name so I had this one.
Well this week studying these two records - translating them to
English - I found they are the same couple - but in the one record
they dropped the di! Even the people signing as witnesses were the
same - and parents of both mother and father - identical! Side note
to this - three years apart they had daughters - named both with same
first name but differing middle names - suspect I should search for a
death certificate for the first Maria.... sigh.
FraDiavolo@yahoogro ups.com, Jason S <jsoscia3@.. .> wrote:
> What sort of records on that CD were from Itri?
> "B. J. Di Crocco" <BonVal@...> wrote: I just received a
purchase of this from LDS - it encompasses years late
> 1500's to 1905 -- the records for Italy are by no means compelte -
> one disc is from Italy - other countries are Alpine, Beneluz,
> German and Spanish Regions - the miulti disc set cost $27 including
> postage - it came lots faster than the suggested 4-6 weeks (took
> week) -- all that said -- this is remarkable! Even with so much
> from the Italian records, I found plenty from our area! And it was
> fabulous!!! I was able to document positively folks I was not sure
> belonged to us via cross referencing names of couples, their
> and wedding dates versus birth dates! Anyway I now have 511 folks I
> know for positive are related - just those on the Italian
> back to 1774! Add these to the newly ordered set we are all
> and I should be able to cement a few more generations!
> I have been working on organization and cross referencing to keep
> everyone sorted. So far color coding helps to divide out main line
> inlaws - but then I found that writing out the 6 generation
> charts with family group sheets for every couple filled in
> with all information known helps to find some connections.
> Interestingly I have found many of the originals we had saved from
> late parent's collections of originals had names spelled wrong or
> dropped off -- and even a couple first names totally wrong
> none were surnames - just given or that is first names)! And in our
> family they adhered to the rule of naming son for grandfather so
> other generation shares the same first name for about 5
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