Re: New poll for FootyUSA
- Absolutely agree!
--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Willings" <willingst@...>
> With regard to rigs...
> We know that with the 'two rig' rule - everyone has an essentially
> unregulated A-Rig and an unreasonably limited 12-inch tall B-rig.
> In the spirit of keeping things 'simple' this is a good plan,
> BUT...it would appear to be 'impossible' to produce a sail plan
> the Footy that meets the 12-inch height restriction that stilllooks
> anything like a 'real-size' boat rig. (The end result is that theinch B-
> model doesn't look anything like what is being modelled).
> I would advocate a change to the class rules to rename the
> unreasonably limited 12-inch 'B-Rig' to be called the 12-inch 'C-
> Rig', and introduce an 18-inch restricted 'B-Rig'.
> This 'additional step' in fixed restrictions of rig height (18-
> Rig) produces a rig that is better suited to moderate breezes -and a
> sail plan that 'looks like it should'. :) The 18-inch heightseeking
> restriction also produces sail plans that are less likely to
> cause 'bow-under-water' behaviour exhibited by most Footies
> to maximize sail area.
- Greetings: Lets take another look at MY Issue #152, Summer 2008. This issue featured the Footys. Look at pages 8 and 9...showing the clear plastic "BOX." Notice the way the boats were placed therein...Angled and both without a lead bulb. Duh! Then, look at Hagerup's Cobra in the Box on page 25. His Cobra is placed in the diagonal and you can see that if the rudder is mounted (Shaft) inside the boat - not hung on the outside of the transom, then there is room for the rudder to move so you can control the boat very well. So, what are we to learn from these examples? I guess there is still some validity to state that : "If it fits in the box (in sailing trim) then it's legal." However, on Page 9, upper photo, this boat is NOT ready to sail - NEITHER is the other one on page 8....Yep, I said it...Ready to Sail or Ready to Race. Um! "New Definition terminology >> If it fits in the box Ready to Race, then it's legal<<...Duh! Of course, ready to race would mean sufficient rudder throw (Movement) and sails moving unrestricted. I was asked about a shorter fin with bulb and how can that be measured. I suggested that you place various blocks of shims inside the box to bring the deck (any part of the boats deck with the boat level) up to meet with the boxes upper edge. Then let the sail rig(s) move freely. This may apply to any fin/bulb that is shorter than maximum length and, also lift the rudder to fit in the slot (if that is the case)...Also, that is how you would measure the so-called "B" rig or the 12 incher...Yikes...Actually, measuring 12 inches from the edge of the box up to the top of the storm sail's mast is not really feasible...you need 12 inches of of luff and then some added clearance from the deck so as to let the rig swing unimpeded. Any thoughts about what I have stated, above. Let me have it...set me straight.But, regardless, get Model Yachting issue #152...back order if necessary. A ton of great information on about perhaps 20 or more different models available, and McCormack Rigs....many interesting approaches and ideas...Regards, GeorgeE, Vero BeachIn a message dated 8/10/2009 6:57:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, boebert@... writes:
I believe it's a straight copy from the UK 36 inch restricted rule, which I suspect was Roger's inspiration for the box.
--- In FootyUSA@yahoogroup s.com, "sailtwister" <wrangler@.. .> wrote:
> Thanks Angus,
> My guess too, was that it's purpose might have been to trap extreme placement attempts in some way, and it seems to work reasonably well when applied to rigs, but I don't think it works well when applied to rudders, as you already know...
> --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroup s.com, "Angus Richardson" <translate@> wrote:
> > --- In FootyUSA@yahoogroup s.com, "sailtwister" <wrangler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Angus,
> > >
> > > For a very interesting and useful reply. Getting something one is building absolutely square is a lot more challenging than it would seem, and even the tiniest of errors have a way of compounding into larger ones as a project progresses.
> > >
> > > One other question if I may. Since you have been involved with this class for so long, and were a contributor as the rules were being developed, can you tell me the reasons behind the "in racing trim" phrase being included in the rules? Since all rules are intended to place limitations on something, I'm curious as what that something was in this case.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill
> > >
> > I'm not actually one of the founding fathers - just one of the trailing bureaucrats. Howevr, UK has very cheap overseas phone services to the USA and NZ and Roger Stollery is here in Britain, so I have talked to all the Gang of Three quite extensively by phone, which is much better than email.
> > This is therefore my take on the subject, possibly with greater knowledge of the people involved that it was probably included as a 'catchem all' to trap truly zany ideas - boats that are 2" long but have a hinge in the middle like a carpenter's rule - that a flefgling class can well do without.
> > Hoever, I'm guessing.