'Brides of the State' and the Family Man - article in "Inside Cork"
- The excellent piece of reporting below resulted from a press release that we
sent out. The story was featured on the newspaper's radio ads and took up a
whole page with photographs.
What I would like is for as many people as possible to replicate the
calculations that we have made below - which show how the state in Ireland
is luring women (and children) into its custody (and using our taxes to
maintain them) - and for you to send to me figures based on the data for the
jurisdiction that you live in as accurately as possible so that we can
If we compare the average wage for a man in his early twenties to the sum he
would have to produce to equal it in a few jurisdictions it should give us a
very handy way of compiling a list of the most feminist states in the world,
ie the most anti-marriage, anti democracy, anti-Christian, anti the Rule of
Law, and anti-patriarchal.
I was on the radio this morning with Ivana Bacik who is Reed Professor of
law at Trinity College and who recently criticised men's groups for
"aggressive macho posturing" on fathers' rights.
The interview took an interesting course when she started to roll out the
fraud that the state and the courts have perpetrated about married mothers
having Custody of their children with their husbands and that the state has
the right to make whatever orders it wants "in the best interests of
I explained that she was wrong and stated what the true situation was for
married families where 85% of children are reared in Ireland. She refused to
accept what I was saying so I challenged her to show the listeners where in
law the mother has Custody of her children and where the court has
jurisdiction to interfere with a fit father's Custody.
She said it was given in the Judicial Separation Act but when I pointed out
to her that this had nothing to do with Custody and that Custody was dealt
with in the Guardianship of Infants Act, 1964 she then came out with the
usual nonsense that the court could decide anything if one of the parents
made an application on a question regarding the welfare of infants and I
pressed her to come up with the goods pointing out that she should know that
welfare and Custody issues are entirely separate matters. The interviewer
then intervened and said that if we were to disagree he would have to defer
to Bacik because she was the law professor.
I refused to yield saying that this was not just an intellectual argument as
the welfare of children was being abused because the lies that she was
telling were being believed, especially by men, and they had no idea that
they on their own had Custody of their children and this could not be taken
away from them by any court unless they had been shown with compelling
evidence to have failed in their duty to protect and provide for their
She then attempted to fudge again by saying that this wasn't a black and
white issue and we should be concerned about the children, not parent's
rights. I retorted that here was a professor of law saying that the law on
the welfare of children was not a black and white issue and there weren't
She then played victim and said that I was calling her a liar. I said it was
nothing personal, it was just she was telling lies!
The last word was given to her and she then went on about how important
other forms of families were. I had to speak loudly above her that the
paramount welfare of children is to be found in a married family and that is
why the husband was given Custody.
I got cut off without even a thank you from the interviewer.
He then phoned me back twenty minutes after the programme to say that Bacik
is going to sue the Radio station for defamation because I had called her a
liar and whether it was true what I said or not she claimed her reputation
had been damaged.
It should make for an interesting court case and provide a well publicised
opportunity to expose the lies at last that are dissuading men from
vindicating their Custody and truly protecting their children.
Inside Cork Thursday 8 July 2004
'Brides of the State' and the Family Man
By Katie Mythen
It is generally presumed, both at home and abroad, that Irish Society
affords a high level of protection for parental rights and for the welfare
of children. However, as society moves further and further away from the
traditional values of marriage, wedlock and two-parent families, embracing
what has become a comparatively liberal reality, the outline of a father's
duty in the upbringing of children has become somewhat blurred.
For years, many men have found themselves on the outside of what was once
their family life, faced with the stark realisation that having rights and
actually being able to exercise them are two completely different issues.
One of the prime activities of the National Men's Council of Ireland is to
monitor, on behalf of parents, how legislation and social policy impacts on
the family, marriage and, particularly, on children.
Roscommon man Roger Eldridge, Chairman, National Men's Council of Ireland
told Inside Cork, "Recently an unmarried father complained about his
treatment as a parent saying, "Men can rear children, wash dishes, cook
meals, clean houses just as well as women can. The only thing they can't do
is give birth. "The obvious reply is, of course men can do all the practical
things. The problem for men lies in the second sentence, "The only thing
they can't do is give birth." This leaves this man and all unmarried men
with the problem of how do they propose that women let them "rear children,
wash dishes, cook meals, clean houses?"
Roger continued, "What the National Men's Council of Ireland are saying and
what is in the Constitution (for the Common Good) is that only marriage
allows a man to have a legitimate opportunity to have a family life as this
man describes. A man earns himself a role by being family protector and
provider. As long as the woman values his role she will agree to him being
part of her family."
According to the French novelist and social anthropologist Briffault: "The
female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family.
Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no
such association takes place". - Robert Briffault"
"This somewhat harsh analysis derives from the empirical data which show
that, despite our delusions about women being the more romantic partner in a
relationship, 90% of women marry a man who has more assets or earning
potential than they do." Said Roger. "If women married for love the law of
averages suggests they would marry a richer man only 50% of the time. The
state is aware of Briffault's Law and through social welfare policies and
illegal judicial activism in the family courts has sought the place of the
husband. Effectively the army of "unmarried mothers" and 'separated wives'
in Ireland today are "Brides of the State".
For example the state is able, through the so-called 'One- Parent Family
Payment' scheme, to offer young women a disposable income that 99% of young
men can not compete with. We have calculated using up-to-date figures how
much a man must offer just to compete with the equivalent cash-in-hand that
an unmarried mother is currently receiving by way of benefits, including
housing, clothing, fuel allowances etc. If the mother has 2 children, gets
Child Benefit and the One-Parent Family Payment and she avails of the scheme
where she works 19 hours a week at times that suit her, her cash in hand
will be roughly 450 euro per week. She pays no tax or PRSI on this. On to
this must be added the cost benefits of the free Medical Card, Fuel
Allowance, Back-to-School Clothing Allowance, say at a minimum another 30
euro. She will be put at the top of the Local Authority housing lists and
will then get a reduced rent or mortgage payment benefit equivalent.
For a young man to generate an equivalent disposable income he must provide
as take-home- pay the same 480 euro she is getting plus he must provide
equivalent secure housing which means a mortgage costing him a minimum of
150 euro per week. So now he must provide 630 euro per week in his hand to
provide the equivalent of what the state gives to the mother for her and her
two kids. We must not forget his basic needs. The most important being that
he needs is a car so that he can get to work so he needs again a minimum of
another 70 euro in his hand for insurance, tax and running costs. The state
allowance for a single man on the dole is 130 euro so let's assume he lives
on the breadline. This means that he must bring to the relationship 630 + 70
+ 130 = 830 euro in cash to enable his wife and him to live at the level
that the mother could enjoy from the state on her own without him. This cash
is after tax and PRSI deductions so his gross pay must be in the region of
1250 euro! It is obvious that only exceptionally fortunate young men (or any
man) can compete with the state for the mother's 'hand in marriage'.
The average gross pay for 20 to 30 year old men is actually less than half
what he needs to be an 'eligible' bachelor." Hence the state, having wooed
the mother with our tax-paid money, then acts in the nature of a jealous
husband who will countenance no rival suitors and so ensures that she will
never marry a man. If the mother should meet a man who might have the
potential to foot the bill for her, this is where the state gets really
nasty. It says that if she is even seen with a man about the house she will
lose all her benefits!"
Roger feels that the untold pressure on the modern Irish man contributes
significantly to the country's climbing suicide rate, "We shouldn't be at
all surprised to see that the rate of suicide amongst men in Ireland is one
of the highest in the world," he said, "and that it peaks for males between
the ages of 20 and 35, when men should be at he prime of their lives and
getting married so they can start a family and enjoy the comforts and
benefits that it brings." A recent World Health Organisation report,
entitled Young People's Health in Context, which studied the health and
behaviour of 11 to 15-year-olds in 32 European countries, as well as Canada,
America and Israel, cited family structures as an "important factor" in
young people's health.
Jill Kirby, the chairman of the family policy group at the Centre for Policy
Studies, said: "There is a mass of evidence that children brought up by only
one parent are at risk of under-age sex, drug abuse and drinking." Roger
asks, "So how does the state justify promoting the position of unmarried
mothers to the detriment of their children? And why, with the Irish
Constitutional position clearly encouraging families based on marriage, is
the state penalising the formation of marriage and RTE hell bent on
preventing groups like us who promote marriage for its well-documented
benefits from being heard by the people? The answer frighteningly must lie
with the fact that the unholy alliance between big government and big
business wants us all to be isolated, vulnerable individuals without family
or community supports so that it can do what it wants with us, ie enslave
us. Isn't it time that the decent family men and women of Ireland stood up
As always, Inside Cork welcomes your views (Broadcasting House, Patrick's
Place, Cork). For more information on the National Men's Council of Ireland,
visit the organisation's website at www.family-men.com or email
Chairman. National Men's Council of Ireland,
Knockvicar, Boyle, Co. Roscommon
Tel: 00 353 (0) 071-9667138 email: eldridgeandco@...