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  • Rod Hutchinson
    A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that will lead me to the scale. Not sur how but readers might be able to help.
    Message 1 of 19 , Apr 5 7:53 PM
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      A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that will lead me to the scale.  Not sur how but readers might be able to help.

      Essentially primitive tractors:

      TACL tractor

      DAYS tractor 4 & 6 wheel

      NZ tractor whose name I can't remember

      Other rail tractors used in Australia

      Simplex 20hp

      Listers

      Muir-Hill

      Rod in Oz

      On Apr 6, 2013 12:23 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
       

      Rod,
      I think it is a matter of what you are intending to model, and therefore the items that you will need to create that model, and what, of those items are available in what scale.
      By the way do you have the scale calculator from Hollywood Foundry?, it is a must when you are looking for wheels etc., because you can work out what size wheels you need for a model, and then compare what wheels are available in other scale to get the best match.
      to add another scale to it, just double click the Hollywood logo in the top middle, and in the little page that comes up type in 1/35th=35, the "1/35th" is the name of the scale and then "=35" is telling it how many feet it is equal to in 1 foot [ie: 304.8mm.], you can add as many scales as you wish and move them up or down in the list on that little page to suit however you wish.

      Brian
      Qld. Aust.

       


      From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
      Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:03 AM
      To: Z-Group FS32NG
      Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

      Hi Brian,

      Do you have a view on the relative merits of either scale?

      Rod


      On 6 April 2013 09:48, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
       

      Rod,
      According to the specs for O-14 there is no ready made track, at exactly 14mm. gauge, however as many modellers do, they use instead Sn3 track which is 14.3mm. gauge, which is pretty close.
       

      Brian
      Qld. Aust.

       


      From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
      Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 7:23 AM
      To: Z-Group FS32NG
      Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

      Based on limited research I have made the following observation.

      O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
      35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.

      Any views about O14 vs 35n2

      Rod




      --
      Rod Hutchinson
      Growing Old Disgracefully
      Mooroolbark, Australia
    • Geoff Potter
      Rod, this is no help at all to you, but I could see all of these working well in On14 or 1:35n2. Finding suitable chassis may be less of an issue in the larger
      Message 2 of 19 , Apr 5 10:14 PM
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        Rod,
        this is no help at all to you, but I could see all of these working well in On14 or 1:35n2. Finding suitable chassis may be less of an issue in the larger scale, and plastic kit parts from 1/35th military trucks etc can be used for very convincing power plants.

        Geoff


        From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
        To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 1:53 PM
        Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

         
        A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that will lead me to the scale.  Not sur how but readers might be able to help.
        Essentially primitive tractors:
        TACL tractor
        DAYS tractor 4 & 6 wheel
        NZ tractor whose name I can't remember
        Other rail tractors used in Australia
        Simplex 20hp
        Listers
        Muir-Hill
        Rod in Oz
        On Apr 6, 2013 12:23 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
         
        Rod,
        I think it is a matter of what you are intending to model, and therefore the items that you will need to create that model, and what, of those items are available in what scale.
        By the way do you have the scale calculator from Hollywood Foundry?, it is a must when you are looking for wheels etc., because you can work out what size wheels you need for a model, and then compare what wheels are available in other scale to get the best match.
        to add another scale to it, just double click the Hollywood logo in the top middle, and in the little page that comes up type in 1/35th=35, the "1/35th" is the name of the scale and then "=35" is telling it how many feet it is equal to in 1 foot [ie: 304.8mm.], you can add as many scales as you wish and move them up or down in the list on that little page to suit however you wish.
        Brian
        Qld. Aust.
         


        From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
        Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:03 AM
        To: Z-Group FS32NG
        Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

        Hi Brian,

        Do you have a view on the relative merits of either scale?

        Rod


        On 6 April 2013 09:48, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
         
        Rod,
        According to the specs for O-14 there is no ready made track, at exactly 14mm. gauge, however as many modellers do, they use instead Sn3 track which is 14.3mm. gauge, which is pretty close.
         
        Brian
        Qld. Aust.
         


        From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
        Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 7:23 AM
        To: Z-Group FS32NG
        Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

        Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
        O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
        35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
        Any views about O14 vs 35n2
        Rod



        --
        Rod Hutchinson
        Growing Old Disgracefully
        Mooroolbark, Australia


      • Brian
        Rod, Obviously you are leaning toward logging type equipment, because these types of locos are small to begin with, if you consider first O-14 that means using
        Message 3 of 19 , Apr 5 10:48 PM
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          Rod,
          Obviously you are leaning toward logging type equipment, because these types of locos are small to begin with, if you consider first O-14 that means using chassis like that from Hollywood Foundry, but even that may mean having to make comprises because the mech still may not fit, on the other hand going with 1/35 scale gives you a great deal more room to fit things like RC as well as the drive motor etc., and also gives you the option of using the Bachmann gas mechanical as a donor.
          The other alternative is to go halfway and opt for 1/38.1th or 8mm. = 1ft. that way HO gauge track is much closer to being 2ft. gauge, you can use both HO and O scale components, when it comes to 'people' to populate said layout, there did use to be some 1/38th scale figures some years back but I don't think you can get them nowadays, but people come in all shapes and sizes so it is possible to make use of figures from other scales.
           

          Brian
          Qld. Aust.

           


          From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
          Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 12:53 PM
          To: Z-Group FS32NG
          Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

          A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that will lead me to the scale.  Not sur how but readers might be able to help.

          Essentially primitive tractors:

          TACL tractor

          DAYS tractor 4 & 6 wheel

          NZ tractor whose name I can't remember

          Other rail tractors used in Australia

          Simplex 20hp

          Listers

          Muir-Hill

          Rod in Oz

          On Apr 6, 2013 12:23 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
           

          Rod,
          I think it is a matter of what you are intending to model, and therefore the items that you will need to create that model, and what, of those items are available in what scale.
          By the way do you have the scale calculator from Hollywood Foundry?, it is a must when you are looking for wheels etc., because you can work out what size wheels you need for a model, and then compare what wheels are available in other scale to get the best match.
          to add another scale to it, just double click the Hollywood logo in the top middle, and in the little page that comes up type in 1/35th=35, the "1/35th" is the name of the scale and then "=35" is telling it how many feet it is equal to in 1 foot [ie: 304.8mm.], you can add as many scales as you wish and move them up or down in the list on that little page to suit however you wish.

          Brian
          Qld. Aust.

           


          From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
          Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:03 AM
          To: Z-Group FS32NG
          Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

          Hi Brian,

          Do you have a view on the relative merits of either scale?

          Rod


          On 6 April 2013 09:48, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
           

          Rod,
          According to the specs for O-14 there is no ready made track, at exactly 14mm. gauge, however as many modellers do, they use instead Sn3 track which is 14.3mm. gauge, which is pretty close.
           

          Brian
          Qld. Aust.

           


          From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
          Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 7:23 AM
          To: Z-Group FS32NG
          Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

          Based on limited research I have made the following observation.

          O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
          35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.

          Any views about O14 vs 35n2

          Rod




          --
          Rod Hutchinson
          Growing Old Disgracefully
          Mooroolbark, Australia

        • Rod Hutchinson
          Geoff, Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too. Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too
          Message 4 of 19 , Apr 6 1:00 AM
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            Geoff,

            Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too.   Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too small.

            I make my own points in HOn30 so I presume larger scales would be easier.

            I am leaning towards O14 but I could easily be talked into 35n2.

            Rod

            On Apr 6, 2013 6:24 PM, "Geoff Potter" <potgeoff@...> wrote:
             

            Rod,
            these would be fair observations. If you are interested in On14 in Australia, Mark Kendrick is the man to talk to.

            I find that most of what I do in these scales is a bash of one kind or another. It kind of cancels out as regards the "which is the best scale to model" stakes. All have their relative advantages/disadvantages. 

            For me (rightly or very wrongly):

            On15/18 and variants = Scratch/Bash scale, limited commercial support, bashed/scratch locos on N chassis, N or OO9 commercial track,  straightforward O scale structures, figures and details.

            On14 = nice stuff, lots of locos from specialist suppliers (but you have to be quick to get what you want), expensive, supplies variable, track either expensive or scratchbuilt. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

            On30 = relatively straightforward, quite a lot of support, plenty of bashed or bought locos, track can be scratch or bought. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

            1/35n2 & variants = largely scratchbuilder's scale for locos unless able to afford kits which are great quality, rolling stock largely bashed/scratch or cross-scaled, buildings scratch or Miniart dioramas, road vehicles diecast or military kit conversions, figures mostly military conversions, details converted from Military or Farm sets

            Gn15 = Bashed/scratch locos on HO/On30 chassis, kit locos and rolling stock by Sidelines, scratch buildings, relatively limited figures and scenic items. Track use HO, On30 or scratchbuilt.

            Hope this helps. These are generalizations based on my observations only. It also points out the highly confusing nomenclature we have for naming scale/gauge combinations!!!

            regards
            Geoff Potter


            From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
            To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:23 AM
            Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

             
            Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
            O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
            35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
            Any views about O14 vs 35n2
            Rod


          • Brian
            Rod, One thing to keep in mind here in Oz, it was a standard practice with 2 ft. gauge was to bury track, ie: only the rails showing and grass was allowed to
            Message 5 of 19 , Apr 6 2:36 AM
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              Rod,
              One thing to keep in mind here in Oz, it was a standard practice with 2 ft. gauge was to bury track, ie: only the rails showing and grass was allowed to grow over the track to help keep it all intact, I can remember back in the 70's when they first started to plough the track up to replace sleepers and use rock ballast instead, a lot of the rails were actually only being held in place by the dirt, the sleepers and dog spikes having long since rotted away. So using Sn3 track wouldn't be a problem if you bury it, you would only need to hand lay track over bridges where the track is exposed. 
               

              Brian
              Qld. Aust.

               


              From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
              Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 6:00 PM
              To: Z-Group FS32NG
              Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

              Geoff,

              Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too.   Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too small.

              I make my own points in HOn30 so I presume larger scales would be easier.

              I am leaning towards O14 but I could easily be talked into 35n2.

              Rod

              On Apr 6, 2013 6:24 PM, "Geoff Potter" <potgeoff@...> wrote:
               

              Rod,
              these would be fair observations. If you are interested in On14 in Australia, Mark Kendrick is the man to talk to.

              I find that most of what I do in these scales is a bash of one kind or another. It kind of cancels out as regards the "which is the best scale to model" stakes. All have their relative advantages/disadvantages. 

              For me (rightly or very wrongly):

              On15/18 and variants = Scratch/Bash scale, limited commercial support, bashed/scratch locos on N chassis, N or OO9 commercial track,  straightforward O scale structures, figures and details.

              On14 = nice stuff, lots of locos from specialist suppliers (but you have to be quick to get what you want), expensive, supplies variable, track either expensive or scratchbuilt. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

              On30 = relatively straightforward, quite a lot of support, plenty of bashed or bought locos, track can be scratch or bought. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

              1/35n2 & variants = largely scratchbuilder's scale for locos unless able to afford kits which are great quality, rolling stock largely bashed/scratch or cross-scaled, buildings scratch or Miniart dioramas, road vehicles diecast or military kit conversions, figures mostly military conversions, details converted from Military or Farm sets

              Gn15 = Bashed/scratch locos on HO/On30 chassis, kit locos and rolling stock by Sidelines, scratch buildings, relatively limited figures and scenic items. Track use HO, On30 or scratchbuilt.

              Hope this helps. These are generalizations based on my observations only. It also points out the highly confusing nomenclature we have for naming scale/gauge combinations!!!

              regards
              Geoff Potter


              From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
              To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:23 AM
              Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

               
              Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
              O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
              35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
              Any views about O14 vs 35n2
              Rod


            • Rod Hutchinson
              Hi Brian, Good point. Just joined O14 yahoo group. Rod
              Message 6 of 19 , Apr 6 3:41 AM
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                Hi Brian,

                Good point. Just joined O14 yahoo group.

                Rod

                On Apr 6, 2013 8:36 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
                 

                Rod,
                One thing to keep in mind here in Oz, it was a standard practice with 2 ft. gauge was to bury track, ie: only the rails showing and grass was allowed to grow over the track to help keep it all intact, I can remember back in the 70's when they first started to plough the track up to replace sleepers and use rock ballast instead, a lot of the rails were actually only being held in place by the dirt, the sleepers and dog spikes having long since rotted away. So using Sn3 track wouldn't be a problem if you bury it, you would only need to hand lay track over bridges where the track is exposed. 
                 

                Brian
                Qld. Aust.

                 


                From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
                Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 6:00 PM
                To: Z-Group FS32NG
                Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                Geoff,

                Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too.   Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too small.

                I make my own points in HOn30 so I presume larger scales would be easier.

                I am leaning towards O14 but I could easily be talked into 35n2.

                Rod

                On Apr 6, 2013 6:24 PM, "Geoff Potter" <potgeoff@...> wrote:
                 

                Rod,
                these would be fair observations. If you are interested in On14 in Australia, Mark Kendrick is the man to talk to.

                I find that most of what I do in these scales is a bash of one kind or another. It kind of cancels out as regards the "which is the best scale to model" stakes. All have their relative advantages/disadvantages. 

                For me (rightly or very wrongly):

                On15/18 and variants = Scratch/Bash scale, limited commercial support, bashed/scratch locos on N chassis, N or OO9 commercial track,  straightforward O scale structures, figures and details.

                On14 = nice stuff, lots of locos from specialist suppliers (but you have to be quick to get what you want), expensive, supplies variable, track either expensive or scratchbuilt. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                On30 = relatively straightforward, quite a lot of support, plenty of bashed or bought locos, track can be scratch or bought. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                1/35n2 & variants = largely scratchbuilder's scale for locos unless able to afford kits which are great quality, rolling stock largely bashed/scratch or cross-scaled, buildings scratch or Miniart dioramas, road vehicles diecast or military kit conversions, figures mostly military conversions, details converted from Military or Farm sets

                Gn15 = Bashed/scratch locos on HO/On30 chassis, kit locos and rolling stock by Sidelines, scratch buildings, relatively limited figures and scenic items. Track use HO, On30 or scratchbuilt.

                Hope this helps. These are generalizations based on my observations only. It also points out the highly confusing nomenclature we have for naming scale/gauge combinations!!!

                regards
                Geoff Potter


                From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
                To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:23 AM
                Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                 
                Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
                O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
                35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
                Any views about O14 vs 35n2
                Rod


              • John Dennis
                Rod, why exactly are you looking at 2 gauge? There was a lot of it in Australia, from desert country to rain forests, but it wasn t all that common in
                Message 7 of 19 , Apr 6 3:51 AM
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                  Rod,

                  why exactly are you looking at 2' gauge? There was a lot of it in Australia, from desert country to rain forests, but it wasn't all that common in logging, other than taking cut lumber outwards from the mill. I think you need to think about the type of operation you want to model before committing to anything. It's hard to make a decision on scale and gauge when you have the whole world to consider...

                  Tell us why you might prefer O14 to On30, for example. There were TACLs on 2'6", and there's a lot less work to do to model 2'6" gauge than 2' in any scale.

                  John


                  On 6 April 2013 21:41, Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...> wrote:


                  Hi Brian,

                  Good point. Just joined O14 yahoo group.

                  Rod

                  On Apr 6, 2013 8:36 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
                   

                  Rod,
                  One thing to keep in mind here in Oz, it was a standard practice with 2 ft. gauge was to bury track, ie: only the rails showing and grass was allowed to grow over the track to help keep it all intact, I can remember back in the 70's when they first started to plough the track up to replace sleepers and use rock ballast instead, a lot of the rails were actually only being held in place by the dirt, the sleepers and dog spikes having long since rotted away. So using Sn3 track wouldn't be a problem if you bury it, you would only need to hand lay track over bridges where the track is exposed. 
                   

                  Brian
                  Qld. Aust.

                   


                  From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
                  Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 6:00 PM
                  To: Z-Group FS32NG

                  Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                  Geoff,

                  Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too.   Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too small.

                  I make my own points in HOn30 so I presume larger scales would be easier.

                  I am leaning towards O14 but I could easily be talked into 35n2.

                  Rod

                  On Apr 6, 2013 6:24 PM, "Geoff Potter" <potgeoff@...> wrote:
                   

                  Rod,
                  these would be fair observations. If you are interested in On14 in Australia, Mark Kendrick is the man to talk to.

                  I find that most of what I do in these scales is a bash of one kind or another. It kind of cancels out as regards the "which is the best scale to model" stakes. All have their relative advantages/disadvantages. 

                  For me (rightly or very wrongly):

                  On15/18 and variants = Scratch/Bash scale, limited commercial support, bashed/scratch locos on N chassis, N or OO9 commercial track,  straightforward O scale structures, figures and details.

                  On14 = nice stuff, lots of locos from specialist suppliers (but you have to be quick to get what you want), expensive, supplies variable, track either expensive or scratchbuilt. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                  On30 = relatively straightforward, quite a lot of support, plenty of bashed or bought locos, track can be scratch or bought. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                  1/35n2 & variants = largely scratchbuilder's scale for locos unless able to afford kits which are great quality, rolling stock largely bashed/scratch or cross-scaled, buildings scratch or Miniart dioramas, road vehicles diecast or military kit conversions, figures mostly military conversions, details converted from Military or Farm sets

                  Gn15 = Bashed/scratch locos on HO/On30 chassis, kit locos and rolling stock by Sidelines, scratch buildings, relatively limited figures and scenic items. Track use HO, On30 or scratchbuilt.

                  Hope this helps. These are generalizations based on my observations only. It also points out the highly confusing nomenclature we have for naming scale/gauge combinations!!!

                  regards
                  Geoff Potter


                  From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
                  To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:23 AM
                  Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                   
                  Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
                  O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
                  35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
                  Any views about O14 vs 35n2
                  Rod





                • Woodie Greene
                  I might as well write something also about this. When I began my adventure in a larger scale, I imagined that I was building 1:32n20 even though most
                  Message 8 of 19 , Apr 6 7:01 AM
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                    I might as well write something also about this. When I began my "adventure" in a larger scale, I imagined that I was building 1:32n20 even though most everything I had (minus automobiles) was 1:35. The railway that I loved and still do was a 24" gauge mining road in New Mexico. I was happy building and operating with that idea...but the gauge was not right. Over many years, I have built HOn30 and On30 layouts with the lean towards "two footers" but was never satisfied. I got close with On20 (using HOn3 gauge and mechanisms, etc) but still it wasn't a 2 footer. As has been pointed out, humans come in various sizes and I began to snap to the fact that my 1:32 and 1:35 figures looked pretty much right with each other and 1:35 figures looked fine alongside 1:32 Model T's and such. I dug out a 1:35 scale ruler and placed an HO NMRA track gauge on the ruler and "discovered" that in 1:35, the gauge was pretty much 24", give or take an inch. The real thing had tolerances like that in it's gauge. So, I began to realize that I finally had my two footer in a scale which I could build. The shackles of "not right" were finally gone. Now, if a counter tells me that "well, it's really not 24 inches but 26.98645 in 1:35" then I come back with the notion that I don't know what the scale really is, but I use 8.25MM to the foot and with 16.5MM gauge, it is indeed 24". As we say here in the US-"it's close enough for government work!"
                    However, I will not push my chosen scale onto others...if O14 works for someone, then that is the right thing to do. Right now, I have a railroad to run and expand so I need to get to work. Thanks for letting me jabber a bit.
                     
                    Woodie  


                  • Gregory Wright
                    Well said Woodie.  While I was in my train room (I am an indoor modeler in 1:32n20 that uses anything that looks right or can be re-purposed from 1:87 scale
                    Message 9 of 19 , Apr 6 10:17 AM
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                      Well said Woodie.  While I was in my train room (I am an indoor modeler in 1:32n20 that uses anything that looks right or can be re-purposed from 1:87 scale to 1:24th scale) I was shocked to find an electric motor inside my "steam" engine.  My steel ore cars are made of plastic!  My structural wood beams are made out of balsa.  I am a fraud and happily so.  For me, I am trying to re-create a scene that appears accurate to me and then to others.  I think I have been successful based on comments from my visitors but there is no doubt that compromise is alive and thriving on my railroad.  I have yet to see a model railroad that does not have compromise.  (Kind of a redundant statement that a "model" railroad is somehow not the same as a real railroad). 

                      Build for yourself first and others second.  What I have found is that if I like it, other seem to like it too, and their input helps me make it better (or helps me better define what it is I am trying to build).  Either way, I get the satisfaction of doing it, the joy of sharing it, and the bonus of improving it.  To me that is why I choose to model in the first place, I get pleasure from it.  Most of the time I get to be in control, the plastic figures don't talk back, it is always sunny, life is good in my model railroad room.  Enough philosophy, I have model railroad visitors at the door.

                      Greg Wright
                      360-352-5386
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                      --- On Sat, 4/6/13, Woodie Greene <mogollonry@...> wrote:

                      From: Woodie Greene <mogollonry@...>
                      Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2
                      To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Saturday, April 6, 2013, 7:01 AM

                       

                      I might as well write something also about this. When I began my "adventure" in a larger scale, I imagined that I was building 1:32n20 even though most everything I had (minus automobiles) was 1:35. The railway that I loved and still do was a 24" gauge mining road in New Mexico. I was happy building and operating with that idea...but the gauge was not right. Over many years, I have built HOn30 and On30 layouts with the lean towards "two footers" but was never satisfied. I got close with On20 (using HOn3 gauge and mechanisms, etc) but still it wasn't a 2 footer. As has been pointed out, humans come in various sizes and I began to snap to the fact that my 1:32 and 1:35 figures looked pretty much right with each other and 1:35 figures looked fine alongside 1:32 Model T's and such. I dug out a 1:35 scale ruler and placed an HO NMRA track gauge on the ruler and "discovered" that in 1:35, the gauge was pretty much 24", give or take an inch. The real thing had tolerances like that in it's gauge. So, I began to realize that I finally had my two footer in a scale which I could build. The shackles of "not right" were finally gone. Now, if a counter tells me that "well, it's really not 24 inches but 26.98645 in 1:35" then I come back with the notion that I don't know what the scale really is, but I use 8.25MM to the foot and with 16.5MM gauge, it is indeed 24". As we say here in the US-"it's close enough for government work!"
                      However, I will not push my chosen scale onto others...if O14 works for someone, then that is the right thing to do. Right now, I have a railroad to run and expand so I need to get to work. Thanks for letting me jabber a bit.
                       
                      Woodie  


                    • Rod Hutchinson
                      Hi John, Yes. I have been thinking along those lines as well. I think my whole thinking is changing as the emails come in. My thoughts are being influenced
                      Message 10 of 19 , Apr 6 2:55 PM
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                        Hi John,

                        Yes. I have been thinking along those lines as well.  I think my whole thinking is changing as the emails come in. My thoughts are being influenced somewhat by European modelling.  Nick Ogden's model concept and Steve Petit's sugar cane railway have had a quite an influence on me.

                        My future maybe:

                        I don't want to build a layout.
                        More interested in diorama building which has appropriate scale/gauge combo.
                        Probably try an aim for accuracy so standardising on a scale/gauge for a layout  is less important than getting scale/gauge correct for a model
                        Availability of things such Fordson tractor bodies.
                        I like ALL the quirky NG stock.

                        In summary:
                        In retirement finish Regnan's Tramway in HOn30
                        Build any quirky NG loco that tickles my fancy at the correct gauge but preferably in a larger scale.

                        Rod

                         

                        Rod,

                        why exactly are you looking at 2' gauge? There was a lot of it in Australia, from desert country to rain forests, but it wasn't all that common in logging, other than taking cut lumber outwards from the mill. I think you need to think about the type of operation you want to model before committing to anything. It's hard to make a decision on scale and gauge when you have the whole world to consider...

                        Tell us why you might prefer O14 to On30, for example. There were TACLs on 2'6", and there's a lot less work to do to model 2'6" gauge than 2' in any scale.

                        John


                        On 6 April 2013 21:41, Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...> wrote:


                        Hi Brian,

                        Good point. Just joined O14 yahoo group.

                        Rod

                        On Apr 6, 2013 8:36 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
                         

                        Rod,
                        One thing to keep in mind here in Oz, it was a standard practice with 2 ft. gauge was to bury track, ie: only the rails showing and grass was allowed to grow over the track to help keep it all intact, I can remember back in the 70's when they first started to plough the track up to replace sleepers and use rock ballast instead, a lot of the rails were actually only being held in place by the dirt, the sleepers and dog spikes having long since rotted away. So using Sn3 track wouldn't be a problem if you bury it, you would only need to hand lay track over bridges where the track is exposed. 
                         

                        Brian
                        Qld. Aust.

                         


                        From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
                        Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 6:00 PM
                        To: Z-Group FS32NG

                        Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                        Geoff,

                        Thank you. Your summary is about the same as in my head too.   Brian suggested Sn3 track could be used in O14 but I suspect sleeper size maybe too small.

                        I make my own points in HOn30 so I presume larger scales would be easier.

                        I am leaning towards O14 but I could easily be talked into 35n2.

                        Rod

                        On Apr 6, 2013 6:24 PM, "Geoff Potter" <potgeoff@...> wrote:
                         

                        Rod,
                        these would be fair observations. If you are interested in On14 in Australia, Mark Kendrick is the man to talk to.

                        I find that most of what I do in these scales is a bash of one kind or another. It kind of cancels out as regards the "which is the best scale to model" stakes. All have their relative advantages/disadvantages. 

                        For me (rightly or very wrongly):

                        On15/18 and variants = Scratch/Bash scale, limited commercial support, bashed/scratch locos on N chassis, N or OO9 commercial track,  straightforward O scale structures, figures and details.

                        On14 = nice stuff, lots of locos from specialist suppliers (but you have to be quick to get what you want), expensive, supplies variable, track either expensive or scratchbuilt. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                        On30 = relatively straightforward, quite a lot of support, plenty of bashed or bought locos, track can be scratch or bought. Straightforward and plentiful supply of buildings, figures  and detail bits.

                        1/35n2 & variants = largely scratchbuilder's scale for locos unless able to afford kits which are great quality, rolling stock largely bashed/scratch or cross-scaled, buildings scratch or Miniart dioramas, road vehicles diecast or military kit conversions, figures mostly military conversions, details converted from Military or Farm sets

                        Gn15 = Bashed/scratch locos on HO/On30 chassis, kit locos and rolling stock by Sidelines, scratch buildings, relatively limited figures and scenic items. Track use HO, On30 or scratchbuilt.

                        Hope this helps. These are generalizations based on my observations only. It also points out the highly confusing nomenclature we have for naming scale/gauge combinations!!!

                        regards
                        Geoff Potter


                        From: Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...>
                        To: Z-Group FS32NG <FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 8:23 AM
                        Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                         
                        Based on limited research I have made the following observation.
                        O14 has lots of locos & stock but track has to be hand lay.
                        35n2 has track but a lack of ready to run locos & stock.  Apart from a hand full of specialist suppliers most stock are On30 or 7mm kit bashes.
                        Any views about O14 vs 35n2
                        Rod





                      • Brian
                        Woodie, I couldn t help but notice your comment about 1/35th on HO gauge track is 26.98645 in 1:35 , unless I have got it wrong, 1/35 scale is
                        Message 11 of 19 , Apr 6 2:55 PM
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                          Woodie,
                          I couldn't help but notice your comment about 1/35th on HO gauge track is 26.98645 in 1:35", unless I have got it wrong, 1/35 scale is 8.7085714285714285714285714285714mm. = 1ft. or 8.7mm. for the shortened version, and that makes 16.5mm track equal to 22.736220472440944881889763779527" gauge, or in simple terms 22.7" gauge.
                           

                          Brian
                          Qld. Aust.

                           


                          From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Woodie Greene
                          Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2013 12:02 AM
                          To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] O14 vs 35n2

                          I might as well write something also about this. When I began my "adventure" in a larger scale, I imagined that I was building 1:32n20 even though most everything I had (minus automobiles) was 1:35. The railway that I loved and still do was a 24" gauge mining road in New Mexico. I was happy building and operating with that idea...but the gauge was not right. Over many years, I have built HOn30 and On30 layouts with the lean towards "two footers" but was never satisfied. I got close with On20 (using HOn3 gauge and mechanisms, etc) but still it wasn't a 2 footer. As has been pointed out, humans come in various sizes and I began to snap to the fact that my 1:32 and 1:35 figures looked pretty much right with each other and 1:35 figures looked fine alongside 1:32 Model T's and such. I dug out a 1:35 scale ruler and placed an HO NMRA track gauge on the ruler and "discovered" that in 1:35, the gauge was pretty much 24", give or take an inch. The real thing had tolerances like that in it's gauge. So, I began to realize that I finally had my two footer in a scale which I could build. The shackles of "not right" were finally gone. Now, if a counter tells me that "well, it's really not 24 inches but 26.98645 in 1:35" then I come back with the notion that I don't know what the scale really is, but I use 8.25MM to the foot and with 16.5MM gauge, it is indeed 24". As we say here in the US-"it's close enough for government work!"
                          However, I will not push my chosen scale onto others...if O14 works for someone, then that is the right thing to do. Right now, I have a railroad to run and expand so I need to get to work. Thanks for letting me jabber a bit.
                           
                          Woodie  


                        • mark_the_train_brain
                          G day Rod, Since my name has been mentioned, I hope the group will admit this one post on O14 amongst the fine ranks of 1-30-something scale modellers. For
                          Message 12 of 19 , Apr 7 4:12 AM
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                            G'day Rod,
                            Since my name has been mentioned, I hope the group will admit this one post on O14 amongst the fine ranks of 1-30-something scale modellers.
                            For your list of potential models, the 20HP Simplex and Lister are both available as kits, and I seem to recall a Muir-Hill build was written up in the Review a few years ago-using a Model Company kit (now only available from the UK) by memory.
                            On my workbench I have a trial laser cut Days 6 wheel tractor underframe, and should have custom wheels and a few other components in the next few weeks-a model that was intended for the Convention but never made it. The mech is all worked out, I tried oh-so-hard to get a Stanton/NWSL S-Cab and battery power supply in it but not physically possible as yet. I will be purchasing one of Bernard's RC/BPS sets to trial. You won't fit RC+battery power in an O14 Lister unless you put a roof on it I am afraid, if RC becomes one of the deciding factors.
                            Was the other contraption you had in mind a Natrass?
                            From my point of view, most of the O14 sources are part of the model railway industry, whereas a lot of the 1:3xn2 sources are from the military modelling industry. If a military modelling technique is adopted in the model railway world, you can usually thank a 1:3xth modeller for introducing it!
                            Regards,
                            Mark Kendrick

                            --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that
                            > will lead me to the scale. Not sur how but readers might be able to help.
                            >
                            > Essentially primitive tractors:
                            >
                            > TACL tractor
                            >
                            > DAYS tractor 4 & 6 wheel
                            >
                            > NZ tractor whose name I can't remember
                            >
                            > Other rail tractors used in Australia
                            >
                            > Simplex 20hp
                            >
                            > Listers
                            >
                            > Muir-Hill
                            >
                            > Rod in Oz
                            > On Apr 6, 2013 12:23 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
                            >
                          • Rod Hutchinson
                            Hi Mark, The Natrass is the tractor I was thinking of. John Dennis reminded me that most logging tramways in Australia are usually wider than 2 . That means
                            Message 13 of 19 , Apr 7 4:31 AM
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                              Hi Mark,

                              The Natrass is the tractor I was thinking of.  John Dennis reminded me that most logging tramways in Australia are usually wider than 2'.  That means O14 & 35n2 maybe not the correct choice & something more akin to 2'6" or 3', maybe more  appropriate.

                              In any event I will probably build small diorama's like Nick Ogden or half of a Lomo Lomo and rubber gauge a tad.  After I retire I'll endeavour to finish Regnans Tramway in HOn30.

                              I have just purchased  a diecast 1:43 Fordson F tractor so I shall attempt a Day's or TACL.  Can you keep up to date with your Day's and a heads up on the mech?

                              Rod

                               



                              G'day Rod,
                              Since my name has been mentioned, I hope the group will admit this one post on O14 amongst the fine ranks of 1-30-something scale modellers.
                              For your list of potential models, the 20HP Simplex and Lister are both available as kits, and I seem to recall a Muir-Hill build was written up in the Review a few years ago-using a Model Company kit (now only available from the UK) by memory.
                              On my workbench I have a trial laser cut Days 6 wheel tractor underframe, and should have custom wheels and a few other components in the next few weeks-a model that was intended for the Convention but never made it. The mech is all worked out, I tried oh-so-hard to get a Stanton/NWSL S-Cab and battery power supply in it but not physically possible as yet. I will be purchasing one of Bernard's RC/BPS sets to trial. You won't fit RC+battery power in an O14 Lister unless you put a roof on it I am afraid, if RC becomes one of the deciding factors.
                              Was the other contraption you had in mind a Natrass?
                              From my point of view, most of the O14 sources are part of the model railway industry, whereas a lot of the 1:3xn2 sources are from the military modelling industry. If a military modelling technique is adopted in the model railway world, you can usually thank a 1:3xth modeller for introducing it!
                              Regards,
                              Mark Kendrick

                              --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, Rod Hutchinson <rodhutchy@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > A couple of you have suggested I should list what I want to model and that
                              > will lead me to the scale. Not sur how but readers might be able to help.
                              >
                              > Essentially primitive tractors:
                              >
                              > TACL tractor
                              >
                              > DAYS tractor 4 & 6 wheel
                              >
                              > NZ tractor whose name I can't remember
                              >
                              > Other rail tractors used in Australia
                              >
                              > Simplex 20hp
                              >
                              > Listers
                              >
                              > Muir-Hill
                              >
                              > Rod in Oz
                              > On Apr 6, 2013 12:23 PM, "Brian" <rallim56@...> wrote:
                              >

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