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  • ianj_ng_modeller
    Hi All, More civilians, particularly French, can t come soon enough as far as I m concerned !! Amongst the other new releases, either the Gaz-03-030 or the
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 9, 2013
      Hi All,

      More civilians, particularly French, can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned !!

      Amongst the other new releases, either the Gaz-03-030 or the Gaz-05-193 has to be a possibility for conversion into a single ended railbus.

      Cheers

      Ian J



      --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, "rd_etropal" wrote:
      >
      > does anyone know when the French civilians is available?
      >
      > --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
      > >
      > > Thank you Geoff.
      > > That French civilians group came just at the right time.
      > >  
      > > Daniel
      > >
    • rd_etropal
      They do produce an Italian building with the Spanish round tiles so it can t be that difficult. I thought I would check my old Plastruct catalog, and was
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013
        They do produce an Italian building with the Spanish round tiles so it can't be that difficult.
        I thought I would check my old Plastruct catalog, and was surprised that they don't produce this type of tile in either 1/32 or 1/35, when they have them in other scales.

        --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
        >
        > Geoff:
        >  
        >       Thank you. It is good to know they are open to client's suggestions.
        >       As far as I know none of the other Miniart stuff has been so long at wait. I believe they are facing a seriousw technical trouble with the barfrel tiles: the other roofs they are making are easily done with vacuum forming; but the barrel tiles present a serious issue at the edges. They have a nice drawing of this in their website, but there isw no way to make such a structure with vacuum forming simply because requieres an alternation of simple and double thickness as their own drawing show.
        >  
        >       Inyection would solve that but would requiere expensive work at cutting the moulds which would have sense only if mass production would be at least probable.
        >  
        >       May be someone choose the way of making longitudinal rows of pairs of such tiles . I mean a row from top of the toof to the lower edge formed by pairs of tiles, one up-side-down. That wouldn't be a too expensive mould for inyection and since a lot would be needed for a roof some quantitative sales would be possible...But I hope my French village layout will be ready much before that happens!
        >  
        > #:-)
        >  
        >  
        > Daniel
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > Van: Geoff Potter
        > Aan: "FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com"
        > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 februari 1:13 2013
        > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
        >
        >  
        > Daniel,
        >
        > I totally understand your frustration with slow/late/non-release of products. We see it from the hobby giants like Tamiya (their 1/48th military output has really slowed) through to companies like Miniart and then onto cottage manufacturers. 
        >
        > I have emailed Miniart to ask for release dates on the French civilians and Spanish tiles. I have fopund them to be really communicative on products when asked. If there are products we would like to see I think it is up to us to make them aware. I post to their guestbook as well. Lately I have started requesting WWI kit subjects in anticipation of the Centenary of the 1914-18 war. Interestingly they have included three WWI fighter aces in their 1/16th scale figures catalogue.
        >
        > Geoff
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: daniel caso
        > To: "FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com"
        > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:37 AM
        > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
        >
        >  
        > Well, their spanish (barrel) tile roof has bveen announced for at least three years and last time I visited their site was still only a drawing.
        > I hoipe the fFrench civilians will appear a bit faster.
        >  
        > Daniel
        >  
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > Van: Geoff Potter
        > Aan: "FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com"
        > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 februari 0:11 2013
        > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
        >
        >  
        > In January 2012 the French civilians were posted on their news section as a "Kit in process". The time between announcements of a kit in process and release is generally not that long. 
        >
        > I wonder why this one is taking so long? I will email them.
        >
        > Geoff 
        >
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: rd_etropal
        > To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 9:31 AM
        > Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
        >
        >  
        > does anyone know when the French civilians is available? --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote: > > Thank you Geoff. > That French civilians group came just at the right time. >   > Daniel > > > ________________________________ > Van: Geoff Potter > Aan: "mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com" > Cc: "1_35scalenarrowgauge@" <1_35scalenarrowgauge@> > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 februari 12:41 2013 > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] 2013 Miniart releases of interest > >   > Hi folks, > > Miniart have just made their 2013 catalogue available to download. > > Of interest there have been announced: > * A set of French Civilians > * Gaz-03-30 Bus (nice small size vehicle, would suit civilianizing for small village services) > * BZ-38 Refueller tanker > * Gaz-05-183 > There is not a lot new in the buildings this year. > You can download the catalogue if you wish from: > CATALOGUE 2013  (eng) > Dear  modellers  and
        >  customers  we  would  like  to  introduce  the  new Catalogue 2013. You  can find  a  lot  of  interesting  and  new  in  our catalogue. > download > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > PS no connection to Miniart, I just like their kits. >
        >
      • Al HN
        From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m. To:
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013

           

           

          From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
          Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
          To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest

           

           

          If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp

           

             Nick

           

          Hi chaps,

           

          Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????

           

          or have I missed something.

           

          This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,

           

          cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.

           

          Just wondering,

           

          Rgds. etc.,

           

          Al Hardie Neil

           

        • Angela Ogden
          The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013
            The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
             
               Nick
             
            From: Al HN
            Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
            Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
             
             

            From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
            Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
            To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest

             

            If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp

               Nick

            Hi chaps,

            Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????

            or have I missed something.

            This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,

            cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.

            Just wondering,

            Rgds. etc.,

            Al Hardie Neil

             

          • Al HN
            Ahh woe is me, you are probably right on the money with that astute observation, time is getting more precious by the minute so to hell with the nit picker
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013

              Ahh woe is me, you are probably right on the money with that astute observation, time is getting more precious

               

              by the minute so to hell with the nit picker brigade I guess.

               

              Al. H.N.

               

              From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
              Sent: Monday, 11 February 2013 1:55 p.m.
              To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest

               

               

              The main reason why it has been ignored is -----------------------------------------------------  You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,

               

                 Nick

               

               

               

            • daniel caso
              I would like to see the quality of the Miniart roof s edge. It is a very tricky thing to produce and as far as I know simply imposibly to be done with vacuum
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013
                I would like to see the quality of the Miniart roof''s edge. It is a very tricky thing to produce and as far as I know simply imposibly to be done with vacuum forming, which is the way Miniart has been producing all their roofs (well, at least all I have seen) so far.But vacuum forming such roofs present several other problems.
                I've tried it but unavoidably you get, apart of the not convincing continuous simple thickness edge, rounded top edges at every tile -as all the ones Plastruct has been offering- whicj is o.k. for some types of tiles, acceptable for others but simply not convincing for barrel ones.
                The drawing Miniart has had for years in theoir site shows a nice alternate simple/double material thickness as the prototype and I have been wandering how would they produce it.
                I suspect they simply can't. We'll see.
                I've made a couple of intents at vacuum forming these roofs using as pattern one casted in reinforced plaster from the mould Rudy Hesse lend me a couple of tears ago. He had got it from an original MK35 resin roof which is no more prodeuced because the moualding MK35 used for it is -they told me- too dammaged and they have no intention to get a new one.
                Also if the pattern is beautiful it is a massive 4 to 5mm thick plaster casting witgh,of course, massive edges. That is why I decided to give vacuum forming a try. And what I've got, even using very thin plastic, was every time rounded edges at the lower end of every tile.
                John Vogelaar sugested I should make tiny holes so to get a better -stronger- 'directed' vacuum power. I agree probably 0,5 or smaller holes could improve the end result a bit but didn't tried because that wouldn't so;lve the thickness problem at the lower edge. Now, while writing this, I think may be, if I succeed at getting solved the problem of the curved top edges I will try to simply cut away a tiny piece of  the lower 'tiles'at the lower edge of the roof and glue a similar treated stroke of tiles, up side down, at the lower edge....
                Hmm... I am affraid I can't explain this propw=erly with words but I will post about the results as soon as |I've tried it.
                 
                 
                Daniel
                 
                 

                Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 0:26 2013
                Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                 
                They do produce an Italian building with the Spanish round tiles so it can't be that difficult.
                I thought I would check my old Plastruct catalog, and was surprised that they don't produce this type of tile in either 1/32 or 1/35, when they have them in other scales.

                --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                >
                > Geoff:
                >  
                >       Thank you. It is good to know they are open to client's suggestions.
                >       As far as I know none of the other Miniart stuff has been so long at wait. I believe they are facing a seriousw technical trouble with the barfrel tiles: the other roofs they are making are easily done with vacuum forming; but the barrel tiles present a serious issue at the edges. They have a nice drawing of this in their website, but there isw no way to make such a structure with vacuum forming simply because requieres an alternation of simple and double thickness as their own drawing show.
                >  
                >       Inyection would solve that but would requiere expensive work at cutting the moulds which would have sense only if mass production would be at least probable.
                >  
                >       May be someone choose the way of making longitudinal rows of pairs of such tiles . I mean a row from top of the toof to the lower edge formed by pairs of tiles, one up-side-down. That wouldn't be a too expensive mould for inyection and since a lot would be needed for a roof some quantitative sales would be possible...But I hope my French village layout will be ready much before that happens!
                >  
                > #:-)
                >  
                >  
                > Daniel
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > Van: Geoff Potter
                > Aan: "mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com"
                > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 februari 1:13 2013
                > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                >
                >  
                > Daniel,
                >
                > I totally understand your frustration with slow/late/non-release of products. We see it from the hobby giants like Tamiya (their 1/48th military output has really slowed) through to companies like Miniart and then onto cottage manufacturers. 
                >
                > I have emailed Miniart to ask for release dates on the French civilians and Spanish tiles. I have fopund them to be really communicative on products when asked. If there are products we would like to see I think it is up to us to make them aware. I post to their guestbook as well. Lately I have started requesting WWI kit subjects in anticipation of the Centenary of the 1914-18 war. Interestingly they have included three WWI fighter aces in their 1/16th scale figures catalogue.
                >
                > Geoff
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: daniel caso
                > To: "mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com"
                > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:37 AM
                > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                >
                >  
                > Well, their spanish (barrel) tile roof has bveen announced for at least three years and last time I visited their site was still only a drawing.
                > I hoipe the fFrench civilians will appear a bit faster.
                >  
                > Daniel
                >  
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > Van: Geoff Potter
                > Aan: "mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com"
                > Verzonden: zaterdag 9 februari 0:11 2013
                > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                >
                >  
                > In January 2012 the French civilians were posted on their news section as a "Kit in process". The time between announcements of a kit in process and release is generally not that long. 
                >
                > I wonder why this one is taking so long? I will email them.
                >
                > Geoff 
                >
                >
                > ________________________________
                > From: rd_etropal
                > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 9:31 AM
                > Subject: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                >
                >  
                > does anyone know when the French civilians is available? --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote: > > Thank you Geoff. > That French civilians group came just at the right time. >   > Daniel > > > ________________________________ > Van: Geoff Potter > Aan: "mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com" > Cc: "1_35scalenarrowgauge@" <1_35scalenarrowgauge@> > Verzonden: vrijdag 8 februari 12:41 2013 > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] 2013 Miniart releases of interest > >   > Hi folks, > > Miniart have just made their 2013 catalogue available to download. > > Of interest there have been announced: > * A set of French Civilians > * Gaz-03-30 Bus (nice small size vehicle, would suit civilianizing for small village services) > * BZ-38 Refueller tanker > * Gaz-05-183 > There is not a lot new in the buildings this year. > You can download the catalogue if you wish from: > CATALOGUE 2013  (eng) > Dear  modellers  and
                >  customers  we  would  like  to  introduce  the  new Catalogue 2013. You  can find  a  lot  of  interesting  and  new  in  our catalogue. > download > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > PS no connection to Miniart, I just like their kits. >
                >

              • daniel caso
                Nick:         You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now...   ________________________________ Van:
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 10, 2013
                  Nick:
                   
                        "You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now..."
                   
                   Ouch!!! You are right.
                   
                  Well...almost: one of the reasons why I love modelling is because I am doing constantly very variated work. Honestly I can't see myself in a so disciplined, repetitive work for so long time, casting one batch of tiles every day for a couple of years.
                  But that is only 1/3 or less of the work: do you imagine yourself laying every single tile until you've got all the roofs of the village done?
                   
                  I will certainly model such a roof some day but only if it is one or two roofs, not so many as at the village.
                   
                  Anyway there is an alternative I must still check: the Debris tiles seem to be same size as the ones I've got at the plaster castings. If I manage to ad to each roof a lower row of tiles made with the Debris ones and succeed at disguissing the joint decently my problem would be solved
                   
                  Daniel

                  Van: Angela Ogden <angela@...>
                  Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                  Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 1:54 2013
                  Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                   
                  The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
                   
                     Nick
                   
                  From: Al HN
                  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
                  Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                   
                   
                  From: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
                  Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
                  To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                   
                  If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp
                     Nick
                  Hi chaps,
                  Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????
                  or have I missed something.
                  This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,
                  cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.
                  Just wondering,
                  Rgds. etc.,
                  Al Hardie Neil
                   
                • rd_etropal
                  Maybe I am happy to accept something that is not an exact replica. My artwork is based on the Impressionist movement and that captures the feel of the South of
                  Message 8 of 26 , Feb 11, 2013
                    Maybe I am happy to accept something that is not an exact replica. My artwork is based on the Impressionist movement and that captures the feel of the South of France very well.
                    As for individual tiles, probably even more difficult to capture shape exactly. I have a load of old tiles at my house in France so have had a close look. The tile is slightly tapered at top end so one above locks in. Well that is how they work in my area. Possibly different in other areas.
                    Suspect what ever is produced won't satisfy everyone. Once on roof, then the lowest tiles should also show the upsidedown ones inbetween. Even then there are probably examples where this is not the case.
                    There are also modern variations of this tile, which are designed to clip together differently. There might also be slight differences in size depending on manufacturer. I have found this with floor tiles.
                    On a slightly different angle, and that is all materials. In my area they don't use bricks, but have a small flat tile that is laid on end in two lines with gap for interior walls, so any part demolished building will have these rather than bricks. There is always something to trip you up, so if want to be 100% accurate necessary to check real buildings in locality.

                    --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                    >
                    > Nick:
                    >  
                    >       "You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now..."
                    >  
                    >
                    >
                    > ________________________________
                    > Van: Angela Ogden
                    > Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                    > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 1:54 2013
                    > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                    >
                    >  
                    > The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
                    >
                    >    Nick
                    >
                    >
                    > From: Al HN
                    > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
                    > To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                    >
                    >  
                    > From:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
                    > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
                    > To: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                    >  
                    > If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp
                    >    Nick
                    > Hi chaps,
                    > Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????
                    > or have I missed something.
                    > This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,
                    > cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.
                    > Just wondering,
                    > Rgds. etc.,
                    > Al Hardie Neil
                    >  
                    >
                    >  Ouch!!! You are right.
                    >
                    > Well...almost: one of the reasons why I love modelling is because I am doing constantly very variated work. Honestly I can't see myself in a so disciplined, repetitive work for so long time, casting one batch of tiles every day for a couple of years.
                    > But that is only 1/3 or less of the work: do you imagine yourself laying every single tile until you've got all the roofs of the village done?
                    >
                    > I will certainly model such a roof some day but only if it is one or two roofs, not so many as at the village.
                    >
                    > Anyway there is an alternative I must still check: the Debris tiles seem to be same size as the ones I've got at the plaster castings. If I manage to ad to each roof a lower row of tiles made with the Debris ones and succeed at disguissing the joint decently my problem would be solved
                    >
                    > Daniel
                    >
                  • daniel caso
                    Please, don´t misunderstand me: it is certainly not my intention to point others how to model or what should be reproduced or not. I am just saying what feels
                    Message 9 of 26 , Feb 11, 2013
                      Please, don´t misunderstand me: it is certainly not my intention to point others how to model or what should be reproduced or not.
                      I am just saying what feels important to me in my model.
                      I am, for sure, not a ´finescaler´ and my skills and expectations are a lot less than Marc Reusser´s or other of the big genius´s here. Partly because I do care about joy and spontaneity and second my eyes are no more as good as the used to be and I have no intention to even try to model what I couldn´t see.
                      What happens is that for one or the other reason the lower edges of the roofs catch my attention and I don´t know even why. It is just so so I do what I can to meet that interest.
                      But if it gets too difficult I will for sure get back to the plaster castings as they are.
                      I don´t know if you have seen the plaster castings. I will post a couple of photos in a moment.
                      You will notice the irregularity you can see everywhere in (old) France , Spain and Italy. Enen some broken tiles. i love that and also the dry not too smooth surface of the plaster.
                       
                      About the prototype tiles± yes, there is a broad variation in sizes and some with a hole for a spike.
                      Here in the Netherlands it is common to see barrel tiles in roofs with a very sharp angle. Those wouldn´t be possible without the tiles being nailed to a wooden structure.
                       
                      About the patter: I know they are many variations but I don´t think barrel tiles can be laid other than alternating each tile with an up side down one.
                      The nearest thing I´ve  seen is the up side down tiles replaced by flat ones with a protuding leap at each side. But such roofs look too moder and far from what I want to model.
                       
                      Daniel

                      Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                      Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                      Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 10:38 2013
                      Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                       
                      Maybe I am happy to accept something that is not an exact replica. My artwork is based on the Impressionist movement and that captures the feel of the South of France very well.
                      As for individual tiles, probably even more difficult to capture shape exactly. I have a load of old tiles at my house in France so have had a close look. The tile is slightly tapered at top end so one above locks in. Well that is how they work in my area. Possibly different in other areas.
                      Suspect what ever is produced won't satisfy everyone. Once on roof, then the lowest tiles should also show the upsidedown ones inbetween. Even then there are probably examples where this is not the case.
                      There are also modern variations of this tile, which are designed to clip together differently. There might also be slight differences in size depending on manufacturer. I have found this with floor tiles.
                      On a slightly different angle, and that is all materials. In my area they don't use bricks, but have a small flat tile that is laid on end in two lines with gap for interior walls, so any part demolished building will have these rather than bricks. There is always something to trip you up, so if want to be 100% accurate necessary to check real buildings in locality.

                      --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                      >
                      > Nick:
                      >  
                      >       "You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now..."
                      >  
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > Van: Angela Ogden
                      > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 1:54 2013
                      > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
                      >
                      >    Nick
                      >
                      >
                      > From: Al HN
                      > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > From:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
                      > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >  
                      > If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp
                      >    Nick
                      > Hi chaps,
                      > Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????
                      > or have I missed something.
                      > This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,
                      > cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.
                      > Just wondering,
                      > Rgds. etc.,
                      > Al Hardie Neil
                      >  
                      >
                      >  Ouch!!! You are right.
                      >
                      > Well...almost: one of the reasons why I love modelling is because I am doing constantly very variated work. Honestly I can't see myself in a so disciplined, repetitive work for so long time, casting one batch of tiles every day for a couple of years.
                      > But that is only 1/3 or less of the work: do you imagine yourself laying every single tile until you've got all the roofs of the village done?
                      >
                      > I will certainly model such a roof some day but only if it is one or two roofs, not so many as at the village.
                      >
                      > Anyway there is an alternative I must still check: the Debris tiles seem to be same size as the ones I've got at the plaster castings. If I manage to ad to each roof a lower row of tiles made with the Debris ones and succeed at disguissing the joint decently my problem would be solved
                      >
                      > Daniel
                      >

                    • daniel caso
                      Here the photos. I ve done my best to hyde the plaster casting thicvknessw with the drain pipe but still... I would love to see the lower edge of the tiles as
                      Message 10 of 26 , Feb 11, 2013
                      Here the photos.
                      I've done my best to hyde the plaster casting thicvknessw with the drain pipe but still... I would love to see the lower edge of the tiles as the real ones!
                       
                      Daniel

                      Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                      Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                      Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 10:38 2013
                      Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                       
                      Maybe I am happy to accept something that is not an exact replica. My artwork is based on the Impressionist movement and that captures the feel of the South of France very well.
                      As for individual tiles, probably even more difficult to capture shape exactly. I have a load of old tiles at my house in France so have had a close look. The tile is slightly tapered at top end so one above locks in. Well that is how they work in my area. Possibly different in other areas.
                      Suspect what ever is produced won't satisfy everyone. Once on roof, then the lowest tiles should also show the upsidedown ones inbetween. Even then there are probably examples where this is not the case.
                      There are also modern variations of this tile, which are designed to clip together differently. There might also be slight differences in size depending on manufacturer. I have found this with floor tiles.
                      On a slightly different angle, and that is all materials. In my area they don't use bricks, but have a small flat tile that is laid on end in two lines with gap for interior walls, so any part demolished building will have these rather than bricks. There is always something to trip you up, so if want to be 100% accurate necessary to check real buildings in locality.

                      --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                      >
                      > Nick:
                      >  
                      >       "You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now..."
                      >  
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > Van: Angela Ogden
                      > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 1:54 2013
                      > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
                      >
                      >    Nick
                      >
                      >
                      > From: Al HN
                      > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > From:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
                      > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >  
                      > If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp
                      >    Nick
                      > Hi chaps,
                      > Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????
                      > or have I missed something.
                      > This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,
                      > cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.
                      > Just wondering,
                      > Rgds. etc.,
                      > Al Hardie Neil
                      >  
                      >
                      >  Ouch!!! You are right.
                      >
                      > Well...almost: one of the reasons why I love modelling is because I am doing constantly very variated work. Honestly I can't see myself in a so disciplined, repetitive work for so long time, casting one batch of tiles every day for a couple of years.
                      > But that is only 1/3 or less of the work: do you imagine yourself laying every single tile until you've got all the roofs of the village done?
                      >
                      > I will certainly model such a roof some day but only if it is one or two roofs, not so many as at the village.
                      >
                      > Anyway there is an alternative I must still check: the Debris tiles seem to be same size as the ones I've got at the plaster castings. If I manage to ad to each roof a lower row of tiles made with the Debris ones and succeed at disguissing the joint decently my problem would be solved
                      >
                      > Daniel
                      >

                    • daniel caso
                      I ve found a small remain of the roof I vacuum formed from the plaster casting. See the differences at the attqached photos.   Daniel
                      Message 11 of 26 , Feb 11, 2013
                      I've found a small remain of the roof I vacuum formed from the plaster casting. See the differences at the attqached photos.
                       
                      Daniel

                      Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                      Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                      Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 10:38 2013
                      Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                       
                      Maybe I am happy to accept something that is not an exact replica. My artwork is based on the Impressionist movement and that captures the feel of the South of France very well.
                      As for individual tiles, probably even more difficult to capture shape exactly. I have a load of old tiles at my house in France so have had a close look. The tile is slightly tapered at top end so one above locks in. Well that is how they work in my area. Possibly different in other areas.
                      Suspect what ever is produced won't satisfy everyone. Once on roof, then the lowest tiles should also show the upsidedown ones inbetween. Even then there are probably examples where this is not the case.
                      There are also modern variations of this tile, which are designed to clip together differently. There might also be slight differences in size depending on manufacturer. I have found this with floor tiles.
                      On a slightly different angle, and that is all materials. In my area they don't use bricks, but have a small flat tile that is laid on end in two lines with gap for interior walls, so any part demolished building will have these rather than bricks. There is always something to trip you up, so if want to be 100% accurate necessary to check real buildings in locality.

                      --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                      >
                      > Nick:
                      >  
                      >       "You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now..."
                      >  
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > Van: Angela Ogden
                      > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 1:54 2013
                      > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > The main reason why it has been ignored is that possibly these moulds require more work and input than just buying some bits of plastic roofing that look OK and do the job adequately . I can fully understand why Daniel doesn’t want to spend the time casting 1000s of tiles to make all the roofs he wants to , but the results , if done properly , will be way better than the preformed stuff . These tiles do take a good deal of effort to cast properly , but at least they are available now . You could have cast a lot of tiles in the time that MiniArt made their announcement and now ,
                      >
                      >    Nick
                      >
                      >
                      > From: Al HN
                      > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:38 AM
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: RE: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >
                      >  
                      > From:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Ogden
                      > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013 1:00 p.m.
                      > To: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                      >  
                      > If it is Spanish Barrel Tiles you are after try these moulds .http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/135-scale-spanish-barrel-roof-tiles-mould-1350047-50-p.asp
                      >    Nick
                      > Hi chaps,
                      > Why have you ignored this pearl of wisdom ???????????????
                      > or have I missed something.
                      > This site has all the moulds for tile shapes etc. including the Spanish "barrel style" that you guys are banging on about  plus bricks, slate roofing,
                      > cobble stones, etc etc. all in 35mm scale as well as the stuff for making them and tips, instructions,  etc. Wonderful stuff.
                      > Just wondering,
                      > Rgds. etc.,
                      > Al Hardie Neil
                      >  
                      >
                      >  Ouch!!! You are right.
                      >
                      > Well...almost: one of the reasons why I love modelling is because I am doing constantly very variated work. Honestly I can't see myself in a so disciplined, repetitive work for so long time, casting one batch of tiles every day for a couple of years.
                      > But that is only 1/3 or less of the work: do you imagine yourself laying every single tile until you've got all the roofs of the village done?
                      >
                      > I will certainly model such a roof some day but only if it is one or two roofs, not so many as at the village.
                      >
                      > Anyway there is an alternative I must still check: the Debris tiles seem to be same size as the ones I've got at the plaster castings. If I manage to ad to each roof a lower row of tiles made with the Debris ones and succeed at disguissing the joint decently my problem would be solved
                      >
                      > Daniel
                      >

                    • rd_etropal
                      just had another look at the photos, and roof pitch is more important. My house in France has a very low roof pitch, which is normal for these tiles in the
                      Message 12 of 26 , Feb 12, 2013
                        just had another look at the photos, and roof pitch is more important. My house in France has a very low roof pitch, which is normal for these tiles in the area. Any steeper and they will slide off the roof much quicker. I think someone told me they are not pinned like other tiles. Also new tiles might be even in colour, but after a bit of sun and rain colour becomes pretty variable. My neighbour has also told me that tiles on his roof were more brown but officials claimed the redder tiles were more original.

                        --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, "rd_etropal" wrote:
                        >
                        > thanks, strange I had never noticed that , but then I use other types of forum more.
                        > Photos always show up faults, and I wonder if in reality the ends would be so noticeable.
                        >
                        > --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                        > >
                        > > When you go to the homepage of the group you must click on ATTACHMENTS at the right side column.
                        > > Then the two first photos are each the first of a few posted today.
                        > > You can also spend some time seeing all other attachments. There is plenty of value there.
                        > >  
                        > > Daniel
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > Van: rd_etropal
                        > > Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 10:15 2013
                        > > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                        > >
                        > >  
                        > > As I said everyone has their own opinion on what looks best, Here is link to one of the Miniart Italian building photos. The only thing I would attempt to improve, if I was really that desperate was to add the front of upsidedown tiles under leading edge
                        > > http://www.miniart-models.com/Gallery/36/36008/36008_2.jpg
                        > >
                        > > can't see photos others has attached , are they in the photo gallery?
                        > >
                        > > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Claus±
                        > > >  
                        > > >      Thank you.
                        > > >      Yes, you are right.
                        > > >      It is only I would like to find a way.
                        > > >      The corner building has already it´s roof as you´ve seen at the pictures and the only method I thought but still didn´t try is to hollow the underside of the edge tiles with the moto/tool and glue thin card tiles for the up side down ones. I think it can be done but I suspect my whole house will be covered by plaster powdert if I do it. Anyway I have already negotiated the issue and several of the buildings have got flat tiles..
                        > > >       About casting± I have already enough plaster castings for the whole Village. When Rudy lend me the mould I wqasn´t yet building this layout but had it in my mind.
                        > > >  
                        > > >       Yes, the plastic ones are worthless and don´t have a chance at all.
                        > > >  
                        > > >       The view angle won´t be the average: the basboard is at 1,30cm height exactly as my heart  ( I´m  1,74m ) but, o.k., it must be fun not science.
                        > > >  
                        > > >       Daniel
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ________________________________
                        > > > Van: "clausoggitte@"
                        > > > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 16:19 2013
                        > > > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                        > > >
                        > > >  
                        > > > Daniel:I think you have managed to do very well with the plaster moulded tile roof. Of course the casting is too thick - it will have to bo te achieve structural strength in 1:35, but with drain piping fitted it really doesn't show. If you camfer the lower edge of your casting and paint the underside black I don't think the thickness will destroy the illusion. I for one, think the vacuum formed tile roof looks worse than your plaster casting. To me it seems that the plastic roof lacks the definition and volume that the cast version has. If I were to choose, I wouldn't hesitate, but start casting right away. And isn't the normal viewing angle of a model railway sligthly from above? From that angle I think most viewers will never notice the thickness of the casting. Rather they will appreciate the nice tile'ish structure of your cast roofs.Good luckClaus 
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • daniel caso
                        As you ve said before, there are many types of barrel tiles. Here in the Netherlands they are pinned and very steep roofs are done with them. A Friend from
                        Message 13 of 26 , Feb 12, 2013
                          As you've said before, there are many types of barrel tiles.
                          Here in the Netherlands they are pinned and very steep roofs are done with them.
                          A Friend from England told me also there there is a lot of barrel tiles. He explained sheep came to continental Europe loaded with goods and to avoid going back empty -what would make the trip more dangerous- they often brought to England huge amounts of barrel tiles. I supose those were mainly from France.
                           
                          Daniel

                          Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                          Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                          Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 19:46 2013
                          Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                           
                          just had another look at the photos, and roof pitch is more important. My house in France has a very low roof pitch, which is normal for these tiles in the area. Any steeper and they will slide off the roof much quicker. I think someone told me they are not pinned like other tiles. Also new tiles might be even in colour, but after a bit of sun and rain colour becomes pretty variable. My neighbour has also told me that tiles on his roof were more brown but officials claimed the redder tiles were more original.

                          --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, "rd_etropal" wrote:
                          >
                          > thanks, strange I had never noticed that , but then I use other types of forum more.
                          > Photos always show up faults, and I wonder if in reality the ends would be so noticeable.
                          >
                          > --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                          > >
                          > > When you go to the homepage of the group you must click on ATTACHMENTS at the right side column.
                          > > Then the two first photos are each the first of a few posted today.
                          > > You can also spend some time seeing all other attachments. There is plenty of value there.
                          > >  
                          > > Daniel
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ________________________________
                          > > Van: rd_etropal
                          > > Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 10:15 2013
                          > > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                          > >
                          > >  
                          > > As I said everyone has their own opinion on what looks best, Here is link to one of the Miniart Italian building photos. The only thing I would attempt to improve, if I was really that desperate was to add the front of upsidedown tiles under leading edge
                          > > http://www.miniart-models.com/Gallery/36/36008/36008_2.jpg
                          > >
                          > > can't see photos others has attached , are they in the photo gallery?
                          > >
                          > > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Claus±
                          > > >  
                          > > >      Thank you.
                          > > >      Yes, you are right.
                          > > >      It is only I would like to find a way.
                          > > >      The corner building has already it´s roof as you´ve seen at the pictures and the only method I thought but still didn´t try is to hollow the underside of the edge tiles with the moto/tool and glue thin card tiles for the up side down ones. I think it can be done but I suspect my whole house will be covered by plaster powdert if I do it. Anyway I have already negotiated the issue and several of the buildings have got flat tiles..
                          > > >       About casting± I have already enough plaster castings for the whole Village. When Rudy lend me the mould I wqasn´t yet building this layout but had it in my mind.
                          > > >  
                          > > >       Yes, the plastic ones are worthless and don´t have a chance at all.
                          > > >  
                          > > >       The view angle won´t be the average: the basboard is at 1,30cm height exactly as my heart  ( I´m  1,74m ) but, o.k., it must be fun not science.
                          > > >  
                          > > >       Daniel
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ________________________________
                          > > > Van: "clausoggitte@"
                          > > > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 16:19 2013
                          > > > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                          > > >
                          > > >  
                          > > > Daniel:I think you have managed to do very well with the plaster moulded tile roof. Of course the casting is too thick - it will have to bo te achieve structural strength in 1:35, but with drain piping fitted it really doesn't show. If you camfer the lower edge of your casting and paint the underside black I don't think the thickness will destroy the illusion. I for one, think the vacuum formed tile roof looks worse than your plaster casting. To me it seems that the plastic roof lacks the definition and volume that the cast version has. If I were to choose, I wouldn't hesitate, but start casting right away. And isn't the normal viewing angle of a model railway sligthly from above? From that angle I think most viewers will never notice the thickness of the casting. Rather they will appreciate the nice tile'ish structure of your cast roofs.Good luckClaus 
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >

                        • rd_etropal
                          I suspect barrel tiles in Britain are more for style rather than function. I have seen pictures of a flattish tile wile a slight ridge at side in Northern
                          Message 14 of 26 , Feb 12, 2013
                            I suspect barrel tiles in Britain are more for style rather than function. I have seen pictures of a flattish tile wile a slight ridge at side in Northern Europe but nothing as round as is found in southern France. They do have a flatter tile as well, which I have seen in Provence. I think this all goes to prove that there is a lot more to roofs and if you want to be as accurate as possible check out the area you are modelling.
                            I wanted to attach some photos but can't see any button to do so. Help pages only suggest I am not set up to attach photos.

                            --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                            >
                            > As you've said before, there are many types of barrel tiles.
                            > Here in the Netherlands they are pinned and very steep roofs are done with them.
                            > A Friend from England told me also there there is a lot of barrel tiles. He explained sheep came to continental Europe loaded with goods and to avoid going back empty -what would make the trip more dangerous- they often brought to England huge amounts of barrel tiles. I supose those were mainly from France.
                            >  
                            > Daniel
                            >
                            >
                            > ________________________________
                            > Van: rd_etropal
                            > Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                            > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 19:46 2013
                            > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                            >
                            >  
                            > just had another look at the photos, and roof pitch is more important. My house in France has a very low roof pitch, which is normal for these tiles in the area. Any steeper and they will slide off the roof much quicker. I think someone told me they are not pinned like other tiles. Also new tiles might be even in colour, but after a bit of sun and rain colour becomes pretty variable. My neighbour has also told me that tiles on his roof were more brown but officials claimed the redder tiles were more original.
                            >
                            > --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, "rd_etropal" wrote:
                            > >
                            > > thanks, strange I had never noticed that , but then I use other types of forum more.
                            > > Photos always show up faults, and I wonder if in reality the ends would be so noticeable.
                            > >
                            > > --- In FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > When you go to the homepage of the group you must click on ATTACHMENTS at the right side column.
                            > > > Then the two first photos are each the first of a few posted today.
                            > > > You can also spend some time seeing all other attachments. There is plenty of value there.
                            > > >  
                            > > > Daniel
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ________________________________
                            > > > Van: rd_etropal
                            > > > Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 10:15 2013
                            > > > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                            > > >
                            > > >  
                            > > > As I said everyone has their own opinion on what looks best, Here is link to one of the Miniart Italian building photos. The only thing I would attempt to improve, if I was really that desperate was to add the front of upsidedown tiles under leading edge
                            > > > http://www.miniart-models.com/Gallery/36/36008/36008_2.jpg
                            > > >
                            > > > can't see photos others has attached , are they in the photo gallery?
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Claus±
                            > > > >  
                            > > > >      Thank you.
                            > > > >      Yes, you are right.
                            > > > >      It is only I would like to find a way.
                            > > > >      The corner building has already it´s roof as you´ve seen at the pictures and the only method I thought but still didn´t try is to hollow the underside of the edge tiles with the moto/tool and glue thin card tiles for the up side down ones. I think it can be done but I suspect my whole house will be covered by plaster powdert if I do it. Anyway I have already negotiated the issue and several of the buildings have got flat tiles..
                            > > > >       About casting± I have already enough plaster castings for the whole Village. When Rudy lend me the mould I wqasn´t yet building this layout but had it in my mind.
                            > > > >  
                            > > > >       Yes, the plastic ones are worthless and don´t have a chance at all.
                            > > > >  
                            > > > >       The view angle won´t be the average: the basboard is at 1,30cm height exactly as my heart  ( I´m  1,74m ) but, o.k., it must be fun not science.
                            > > > >  
                            > > > >       Daniel
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ________________________________
                            > > > > Van: "clausoggitte@"
                            > > > > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 16:19 2013
                            > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                            > > > >
                            > > > >  
                            > > > > Daniel:I think you have managed to do very well with the plaster moulded tile roof. Of course the casting is too thick - it will have to bo te achieve structural strength in 1:35, but with drain piping fitted it really doesn't show. If you camfer the lower edge of your casting and paint the underside black I don't think the thickness will destroy the illusion. I for one, think the vacuum formed tile roof looks worse than your plaster casting. To me it seems that the plastic roof lacks the definition and volume that the cast version has. If I were to choose, I wouldn't hesitate, but start casting right away. And isn't the normal viewing angle of a model railway sligthly from above? From that angle I think most viewers will never notice the thickness of the casting. Rather they will appreciate the nice tile'ish structure of your cast roofs.Good luckClaus 
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                          • daniel caso
                            To post photos follow this steps:   1- Go to the homepage of the group.   2- in the column at the left side of the screen click on PHOTOS. A page will open
                            Message 15 of 26 , Feb 12, 2013
                              To post photos follow this steps:
                               
                              1- Go to the homepage of the group.
                               
                              2- in the column at the left side of the screen click on PHOTOS. A page will open with the first albums page.
                               
                              3-At the top right you will see the option CREATE ALBUM. Clicdk on it.
                               
                              4-Fill in the tittle you want for your album. Under the tittle you have the possibility of adding an orientating clue.
                               
                              5-aclick on ADD PHOTOS
                               
                              6-Start your list with the first photo and go on  adding all you want.
                               
                              7-Click on UPLOAD and ewait until it is done (You'll notice it.
                               
                              8-Click onb SEE PHOTOS
                               
                              9- Eventually you can click on RE-ARRANGE to give the photos the order you want.
                               
                              10- Once you have that done click on SAVE.
                               
                              You are done.
                               
                              If you don't want an album just attach the photos as you normaly do to your m4essage.
                               
                              I hope this helps.
                               
                              Daniel

                              Van: rd_etropal <rue_d_etropal@...>
                              Aan: FS32NGModelrail@yahoogroups.com
                              Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 20:11 2013
                              Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                               
                              I suspect barrel tiles in Britain are more for style rather than function. I have seen pictures of a flattish tile wile a slight ridge at side in Northern Europe but nothing as round as is found in southern France. They do have a flatter tile as well, which I have seen in Provence. I think this all goes to prove that there is a lot more to roofs and if you want to be as accurate as possible check out the area you are modelling.
                              I wanted to attach some photos but can't see any button to do so. Help pages only suggest I am not set up to attach photos.

                              --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                              >
                              > As you've said before, there are many types of barrel tiles.
                              > Here in the Netherlands they are pinned and very steep roofs are done with them.
                              > A Friend from England told me also there there is a lot of barrel tiles. He explained sheep came to continental Europe loaded with goods and to avoid going back empty -what would make the trip more dangerous- they often brought to England huge amounts of barrel tiles. I supose those were mainly from France.
                              >  
                              > Daniel
                              >
                              >
                              > ________________________________
                              > Van: rd_etropal
                              > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                              > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 19:46 2013
                              > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                              >
                              >  
                              > just had another look at the photos, and roof pitch is more important. My house in France has a very low roof pitch, which is normal for these tiles in the area. Any steeper and they will slide off the roof much quicker. I think someone told me they are not pinned like other tiles. Also new tiles might be even in colour, but after a bit of sun and rain colour becomes pretty variable. My neighbour has also told me that tiles on his roof were more brown but officials claimed the redder tiles were more original.
                              >
                              > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, "rd_etropal" wrote:
                              > >
                              > > thanks, strange I had never noticed that , but then I use other types of forum more.
                              > > Photos always show up faults, and I wonder if in reality the ends would be so noticeable.
                              > >
                              > > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > When you go to the homepage of the group you must click on ATTACHMENTS at the right side column.
                              > > > Then the two first photos are each the first of a few posted today.
                              > > > You can also spend some time seeing all other attachments. There is plenty of value there.
                              > > >  
                              > > > Daniel
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ________________________________
                              > > > Van: rd_etropal
                              > > > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 februari 10:15 2013
                              > > > Onderwerp: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                              > > >
                              > > >  
                              > > > As I said everyone has their own opinion on what looks best, Here is link to one of the Miniart Italian building photos. The only thing I would attempt to improve, if I was really that desperate was to add the front of upsidedown tiles under leading edge
                              > > > http://www.miniart-models.com/Gallery/36/36008/36008_2.jpg
                              > > >
                              > > > can't see photos others has attached , are they in the photo gallery?
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com, daniel caso wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Claus±
                              > > > >  
                              > > > >      Thank you.
                              > > > >      Yes, you are right.
                              > > > >      It is only I would like to find a way.
                              > > > >      The corner building has already it´s roof as you´ve seen at the pictures and the only method I thought but still didn´t try is to hollow the underside of the edge tiles with the moto/tool and glue thin card tiles for the up side down ones. I think it can be done but I suspect my whole house will be covered by plaster powdert if I do it. Anyway I have already negotiated the issue and several of the buildings have got flat tiles..
                              > > > >       About casting± I have already enough plaster castings for the whole Village. When Rudy lend me the mould I wqasn´t yet building this layout but had it in my mind.
                              > > > >  
                              > > > >       Yes, the plastic ones are worthless and don´t have a chance at all.
                              > > > >  
                              > > > >       The view angle won´t be the average: the basboard is at 1,30cm height exactly as my heart  ( I´m  1,74m ) but, o.k., it must be fun not science.
                              > > > >  
                              > > > >       Daniel
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ________________________________
                              > > > > Van: "clausoggitte@"
                              > > > > Aan: mailto:FS32NGModelrail%40yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > Verzonden: maandag 11 februari 16:19 2013
                              > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [FS32NGModelrail] Re: 2013 Miniart releases of interest
                              > > > >
                              > > > >  
                              > > > > Daniel:I think you have managed to do very well with the plaster moulded tile roof. Of course the casting is too thick - it will have to bo te achieve structural strength in 1:35, but with drain piping fitted it really doesn't show. If you camfer the lower edge of your casting and paint the underside black I don't think the thickness will destroy the illusion. I for one, think the vacuum formed tile roof looks worse than your plaster casting. To me it seems that the plastic roof lacks the definition and volume that the cast version has. If I were to choose, I wouldn't hesitate, but start casting right away. And isn't the normal viewing angle of a model railway sligthly from above? From that angle I think most viewers will never notice the thickness of the casting. Rather they will appreciate the nice tile'ish structure of your cast roofs.Good luckClaus 
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