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  • Jim Faliveno
    I took some pictures last summer of the equipment on the UHRRR. they are posted at http://www.mck142.com/uhrrr.htm Jim ... From: To:
    Message 1 of 1 , Feb 28, 2000
      I took some pictures last summer of the equipment on the UHRRR. they are
      posted at http://www.mck142.com/uhrrr.htm

      Jim

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      Subject: [FJGRailroad] Digest Number 142


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      > There are 25 messages in this issue.
      >
      > Topics in today's digest:
      >
      > 1. GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > 2. Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 3. Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > 4. #30, etc.
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 5. Re: #30, etc.
      > From: psefton@...
      > 6. Busline
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)"
      <gdicarlo@...>
      > 7. Re: #30, etc.
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 8. Re: #30, etc.
      > From: psefton@...
      > 9. Locomotive Life Spans
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 10. Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > 11. Re: Busline
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > 12. Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > From: Paul Charland <p.charlie@...>
      > 13. Re: Busline
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 14. Re: #30, etc.
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)"
      <gdicarlo@...>
      > 15. Re: Busline
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > 16. 44 tonner?
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)"
      <gdicarlo@...>
      > 17. Re: Busline
      > From: psefton@...
      > 18. Re: #30, etc.
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 19. Re: Busline
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)"
      <gdicarlo@...>
      > 20. Re: 44 tonner?
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 21. Re: 44 tonner?
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > 22. Cushing EMD Model 40
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > 23. Increased Storage Space
      > From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > 24. Re: Increased Storage Space
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)"
      <gdicarlo@...>
      > 25. Re: Busline
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 1
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:32:55 -0000
      > From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > Subject: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      > Several years ago we were driving down to see my daughter in
      > Bloomington,IN. We got diverted off the loop going around Indianapolis
      > because of construction. We were stopped at a crossing where a 44
      > tonner was pushing a string of coal hoppers into a power plant. Must
      > have been at least 30 cars. Sort of like the ant and the rubber tree
      > plant. I guess they were ok on level track. In comparison, Bob Bedford
      > once told me the FJG 44 tonner had real problems with more than
      > 2 or 3 cars on the grade between North Main and Kingsboro in
      > Gloversville.
      > Saul
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 2
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:25:29 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      > I've heard similar stories. 44-tonners were better with later models, but
      > this was an earlier model. Even so, none of the 44-tonners were really
      > designed for what the FJ&G had in mind for it.
      >
      > The FJ&G's model received a factory upgrade before FJ&G got it. Things
      > still broke on it---quite often from what I understand. One time the fan
      > blew loose and went through the radiator. I also think they were having
      > problems with various connecting fan belts at a different time. Then they
      > ordered replacement belts and they didn't fit properly.
      >
      > One of the only railroads in New York State that's still running
      44-tonners
      > is the Lowville and Beaver River, and I'm not sure how often that line
      > operates. It's pretty infrequent from what I understand.
      >
      > Most of the shortlines in New York and New England were Alco strongholds
      and
      > you traditionally didn't see many GE or EMD switchers around these parts.
      > Remember also that Alco was designated to build only switchers during the
      > War, so their switchers were a little more perfected than were EMD's.
      >
      > -Aaron
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Saul Kalbfeld <skalbfel@...>
      > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:33 PM
      > Subject: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      >
      > >From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > >
      > >Several years ago we were driving down to see my daughter in
      > >Bloomington,IN. We got diverted off the loop going around Indianapolis
      > >because of construction. We were stopped at a crossing where a 44
      > >tonner was pushing a string of coal hoppers into a power plant. Must
      > >have been at least 30 cars. Sort of like the ant and the rubber tree
      > >plant. I guess they were ok on level track. In comparison, Bob Bedford
      > >once told me the FJG 44 tonner had real problems with more than
      > >2 or 3 cars on the grade between North Main and Kingsboro in
      > >Gloversville.
      > >Saul
      > >
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      > Message: 3
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:39:50 -0500
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > Subject: Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      > Saul I think I remember a story about the #30 the way I understood it the
      > guy's in the shop had done some bearing work on it's engine and they had
      > left a wrench inside!! This seems a little carless but may be true?? I
      do
      > not know the extent of the damage They may have gotten lucky and the
      wrench
      > just caused minor problems and they could have fixed it there ?? Was the
      > #30 ever taken to schenectady for repairs?? Also there is a nice Alco S2
      or
      > it may be an S1 at North creek they use it as a back up engine !! I would
      > like to change the paint scheem and I know what colors would look nice on
      > it!!!! Randy
      > ----- Original Message ----- From: Aaron Keller <aakeller@...>
      > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 1:25 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      >
      > > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > >
      > > I've heard similar stories. 44-tonners were better with later models,
      but
      > > this was an earlier model. Even so, none of the 44-tonners were really
      > > designed for what the FJ&G had in mind for it.
      > >
      > > The FJ&G's model received a factory upgrade before FJ&G got it. Things
      > > still broke on it---quite often from what I understand. One time the
      fan
      > > blew loose and went through the radiator. I also think they were having
      > > problems with various connecting fan belts at a different time. Then
      they
      > > ordered replacement belts and they didn't fit properly.
      > >
      > > One of the only railroads in New York State that's still running
      > 44-tonners
      > > is the Lowville and Beaver River, and I'm not sure how often that line
      > > operates. It's pretty infrequent from what I understand.
      > >
      > > Most of the shortlines in New York and New England were Alco strongholds
      > and
      > > you traditionally didn't see many GE or EMD switchers around these
      parts.
      > > Remember also that Alco was designated to build only switchers during
      the
      > > War, so their switchers were a little more perfected than were EMD's.
      > >
      > > -Aaron
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Saul Kalbfeld <skalbfel@...>
      > > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:33 PM
      > > Subject: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > >
      > >
      > > >From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > > >
      > > >Several years ago we were driving down to see my daughter in
      > > >Bloomington,IN. We got diverted off the loop going around Indianapolis
      > > >because of construction. We were stopped at a crossing where a 44
      > > >tonner was pushing a string of coal hoppers into a power plant. Must
      > > >have been at least 30 cars. Sort of like the ant and the rubber tree
      > > >plant. I guess they were ok on level track. In comparison, Bob Bedford
      > > >once told me the FJG 44 tonner had real problems with more than
      > > >2 or 3 cars on the grade between North Main and Kingsboro in
      > > >Gloversville.
      > > >Saul
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
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      > Message: 4
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:43:59 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: #30, etc.
      >
      > I think the Upper Hudson River Railroad is still using the old Alco plant
      > switcher #5. It's an S1 and privately owned. It was rebuilt about 10
      years
      > ago and repainted into its original Alco scheme. That engine guzzles
      > diesel. When it was on the Adirondack Scenic they couldn't wait to get
      rid
      > of it because the fuel bills were so high.
      >
      > I know the exec. director of the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley... when
      > they were looking at an S2, I suggested that they paint it FJ&G. As luck
      > would have it, they ended up with another engine, an ex-NYO&W SW1. It's
      > owned by a member of NYS&W's Board of Directors. I don't think they'd be
      > too happy if CACV repainted that engine into FJ&G colors.
      >
      > Don't know much more about exact problems with the #30, other than what I
      > already related, but wouldn't be surprised if other things went wrong with
      > it too.
      >
      > GE 44-tonner #30 cost FJ&G $26,000 before batteries and gears. It came to
      > Gloversville on the 10:30 a.m. train; August 29, 1950. It was sold to
      > Cargill of Houston, Texas on January 10, 1967.
      >
      >
      > -Aaron
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 5
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 16:41:00 -0500
      > From: psefton@...
      > Subject: Re: #30, etc.
      >
      > Is #30 still existant ?
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Aaron Keller <aakeller@...>
      > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:43 PM
      > Subject: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      >
      >
      > > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > >
      > > I think the Upper Hudson River Railroad is still using the old Alco
      plant
      > > switcher #5. It's an S1 and privately owned. It was rebuilt about 10
      > years
      > > ago and repainted into its original Alco scheme. That engine guzzles
      > > diesel. When it was on the Adirondack Scenic they couldn't wait to get
      > rid
      > > of it because the fuel bills were so high.
      > >
      > > I know the exec. director of the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley...
      when
      > > they were looking at an S2, I suggested that they paint it FJ&G. As
      luck
      > > would have it, they ended up with another engine, an ex-NYO&W SW1. It's
      > > owned by a member of NYS&W's Board of Directors. I don't think they'd
      be
      > > too happy if CACV repainted that engine into FJ&G colors.
      > >
      > > Don't know much more about exact problems with the #30, other than what
      I
      > > already related, but wouldn't be surprised if other things went wrong
      with
      > > it too.
      > >
      > > GE 44-tonner #30 cost FJ&G $26,000 before batteries and gears. It came
      to
      > > Gloversville on the 10:30 a.m. train; August 29, 1950. It was sold to
      > > Cargill of Houston, Texas on January 10, 1967.
      > >
      > >
      > > -Aaron
      > >
      > >
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      > Message: 6
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0500 (CDT)
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > Subject: Busline
      >
      > I know that the FJG bus line went into the 50's and that their buses were
      sold
      > to the Mohawk Valley Transportation, but does that mean that Fulton County
      > and Montgomery were left without bus transportation until the 70's?
      >
      > Gino
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 7
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:02:23 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Re: #30, etc.
      >
      > Yes; it's still in operation, from what I understand, on the Burlington
      > Junction Railway in Burlington, Iowa.
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: psefton@... <psefton@...>
      > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:56 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      >
      >
      > >From: psefton@...
      > >
      > >Is #30 still existant ?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 8
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 19:59:52 -0500
      > From: psefton@...
      > Subject: Re: #30, etc.
      >
      > that's quite a link to the past. Is this an abnormally long life-span for
      a
      > little utility engine ?
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Aaron Keller <aakeller@...>
      > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 8:02 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      >
      >
      > > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > >
      > > Yes; it's still in operation, from what I understand, on the Burlington
      > > Junction Railway in Burlington, Iowa.
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: psefton@... <psefton@...>
      > > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:56 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      > >
      > >
      > > >From: psefton@...
      > > >
      > > >Is #30 still existant ?
      > >
      > >
      > >
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      > Message: 9
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 20:37:13 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Locomotive Life Spans
      >
      > As you said, FJG 30 was built in 1941. That is pretty old, but consider
      the
      > Adirondack Scenic has an EMD SW-1 from 1941 still running.
      >
      > Most shortlines these days are running with switchers from the mid-40s
      > through the late-60s. The mainlines are still running locomotives from
      the
      > mid-70s on, and as those engines are cast off you'll see them running more
      > and more on shortlines.
      >
      > The most modern "shortlines" (BAR, NYSW, Vermont Railway, Green Mountain,
      > etc.) are all using locomotives from roughly 1967 through the late 70s.
      > NYSW has a few exceptions since CSX paid for their B40-8s and SD70s, but
      > most of their fleet is late-60s and early-70s.
      >
      > The small mom and pop shortlines are usually running old EMD and GE
      > switchers (rebuilt CF7s, rebuilt early-model geeps such as rebuilt GP9,
      > GP10, up through GP35).
      >
      > NS has been selling off their GP35s and earlier-model GEs to shortlines
      and
      > Conrail was selling quite a few late-model EMD switchers (SW1500, SW1200,
      > SW1000) to shortlines. Conrail was also selling GP35s and GP40s.
      >
      > Most mainline railroads are getting rid of any GE built prior to 1975
      > (roughly), any EMD switcher, or any GP or SD that is not up to "-2"
      > standards. The dash-2 means the locomotive has solid-state electronics.
      >
      > Too much rambling for now---if I've confused anybody, let me know, I'll
      > explain. Best suggestion is to pick up a copy of Railpace, as it covers
      > this sort of locomotive news quite often. You'll see where the engines
      are
      > going.
      >
      > I don't mind when they sell them, as long as the shortline repaints them.
      > It doesn't cut it with me when a shortline just paints out the "Conrail"
      and
      > spray-paints its initials under the cab.
      >
      > -Aaron
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: psefton@... <psefton@...>
      > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 8:15 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      >
      >
      > >From: psefton@...
      > >
      > >that's quite a link to the past. Is this an abnormally long life-span for
      a
      > >little utility engine ?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 10
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:36:18 EST
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > Subject: Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      > The railroads in NE that I can recall using 44 tonners were the B&M, MEC,
      > C&C. The CLP had one I believe, and the VTR used one for a while in
      > Burlington. Maine Central had a few, using them in the small yards. I
      > remember the one used at Lewiston Upper and I believe I've seen one
      working
      > Augusta. They were uncommon largely because their use was limited. MEC
      had
      > either 7 or 10 of them spread out on their system.(Notes are home) No. 15
      > went to Conway Scenic.
      >
      > There is an article from many years ago in "Trains" about them and the
      > testing done on the B&M prior to their acquisition. One of the "all time
      > indexes" could give you the issue. It is a great article and I believe
      over
      > a couple issues.
      >
      > The FJ&G GE was used principally on the Broadalbin, Gloversville Yard
      > assignment. I suspect it was expected to ease the burden on the light
      rail
      > on the east end. I recall 20 and 21 going to B in the fifties but my
      > recollection is that the 30 was the Broadalbin engine, when possible. I
      was
      > told the two car limit was on the Hill between Fonda and Johnstown, and it
      > was a chore. The thing had two engines and probably a maintenance
      > nightmare.
      >
      > Paul
      >
      >
      > >From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > >To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:25:29 -0500
      > >
      > >I've heard similar stories. 44-tonners were better with later models,
      but
      > >this was an earlier model. Even so, none of the 44-tonners were really
      > >designed for what the FJ&G had in mind for it.
      > >
      > >The FJ&G's model received a factory upgrade before FJ&G got it. Things
      > >still broke on it---quite often from what I understand. One time the fan
      > >blew loose and went through the radiator. I also think they were having
      > >problems with various connecting fan belts at a different time. Then
      they
      > >ordered replacement belts and they didn't fit properly.
      > >
      > >One of the only railroads in New York State that's still running
      44-tonners
      > >is the Lowville and Beaver River, and I'm not sure how often that line
      > >operates. It's pretty infrequent from what I understand.
      > >
      > >Most of the shortlines in New York and New England were Alco strongholds
      > >and
      > >you traditionally didn't see many GE or EMD switchers around these parts.
      > >Remember also that Alco was designated to build only switchers during the
      > >War, so their switchers were a little more perfected than were EMD's.
      > >
      > >-Aaron
      > >
      > >-----Original Message-----
      > >From: Saul Kalbfeld <skalbfel@...>
      > >To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > >Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:33 PM
      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > >
      > >
      > > >From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > > >
      > > >Several years ago we were driving down to see my daughter in
      > > >Bloomington,IN. We got diverted off the loop going around Indianapolis
      > > >because of construction. We were stopped at a crossing where a 44
      > > >tonner was pushing a string of coal hoppers into a power plant. Must
      > > >have been at least 30 cars. Sort of like the ant and the rubber tree
      > > >plant. I guess they were ok on level track. In comparison, Bob Bedford
      > > >once told me the FJG 44 tonner had real problems with more than
      > > >2 or 3 cars on the grade between North Main and Kingsboro in
      > > >Gloversville.
      > > >Saul
      > > >
      > > >
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      > Message: 11
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:50:24 EST
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > MVT operated the bus lines beween G and Schenectady into the late sixties
      > and later I believe. Trailways came into Gloversville sometime after MVT,
      > perhaps they succeeded to the routes or acquired MVT. The belt line was
      > operated by MVT in the early 60's but I left town and don't know when they
      > stopped local service. The public just didn't support the service. I
      > suspect the cutbacks at GE and the closing of the Scotia Naval Depot had a
      > significant impact on the profitability of the interurban routes.
      >
      > There is an alleged FJ&G bus in a junk yard at Ballston Lake. I've seen
      it
      > but only while going by at 70 mph.
      >
      > PKL
      >
      >
      > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > >To: FJGRAILROAD@...
      > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0500 (CDT)
      > >
      > >I know that the FJG bus line went into the 50's and that their buses were
      > >sold
      > >to the Mohawk Valley Transportation, but does that mean that Fulton
      County
      > >and Montgomery were left without bus transportation until the 70's?
      > >
      > >Gino
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      > Message: 12
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:03:32 -0500
      > From: Paul Charland <p.charlie@...>
      > Subject: Re: GE 44 Ton Diesels
      >
      > CLP had a few 45 ton center cabs, not 44 tonners. Claremont and Concord
      No. 30,
      > a 44 tonner is now the switcher for Green Mountain in North Walpole NH,
      believe
      > this is also a phase I unit. Says something for the longevity of these
      little
      > switchers.
      >
      > Paul
      >
      > paul larner wrote:
      >
      > > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > >
      > > The railroads in NE that I can recall using 44 tonners were the B&M,
      MEC,
      > > C&C. The CLP had one I believe, and the VTR used one for a while in
      > > Burlington. Maine Central had a few, using them in the small yards. I
      > > remember the one used at Lewiston Upper and I believe I've seen one
      working
      > > Augusta. They were uncommon largely because their use was limited. MEC
      had
      > > either 7 or 10 of them spread out on their system.(Notes are home) No.
      15
      > > went to Conway Scenic.
      > >
      > > There is an article from many years ago in "Trains" about them and the
      > > testing done on the B&M prior to their acquisition. One of the "all
      time
      > > indexes" could give you the issue. It is a great article and I believe
      over
      > > a couple issues.
      > >
      > > The FJ&G GE was used principally on the Broadalbin, Gloversville Yard
      > > assignment. I suspect it was expected to ease the burden on the light
      rail
      > > on the east end. I recall 20 and 21 going to B in the fifties but my
      > > recollection is that the 30 was the Broadalbin engine, when possible. I
      was
      > > told the two car limit was on the Hill between Fonda and Johnstown, and
      it
      > > was a chore. The thing had two engines and probably a maintenance
      > > nightmare.
      > >
      > > Paul
      > >
      > > >From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > > >To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > > >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:25:29 -0500
      > > >
      > > >I've heard similar stories. 44-tonners were better with later models,
      but
      > > >this was an earlier model. Even so, none of the 44-tonners were really
      > > >designed for what the FJ&G had in mind for it.
      > > >
      > > >The FJ&G's model received a factory upgrade before FJ&G got it. Things
      > > >still broke on it---quite often from what I understand. One time the
      fan
      > > >blew loose and went through the radiator. I also think they were
      having
      > > >problems with various connecting fan belts at a different time. Then
      they
      > > >ordered replacement belts and they didn't fit properly.
      > > >
      > > >One of the only railroads in New York State that's still running
      44-tonners
      > > >is the Lowville and Beaver River, and I'm not sure how often that line
      > > >operates. It's pretty infrequent from what I understand.
      > > >
      > > >Most of the shortlines in New York and New England were Alco
      strongholds
      > > >and
      > > >you traditionally didn't see many GE or EMD switchers around these
      parts.
      > > >Remember also that Alco was designated to build only switchers during
      the
      > > >War, so their switchers were a little more perfected than were EMD's.
      > > >
      > > >-Aaron
      > > >
      > > >-----Original Message-----
      > > >From: Saul Kalbfeld <skalbfel@...>
      > > >To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > > >Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:33 PM
      > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] GE 44 Ton Diesels
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > > > >
      > > > >Several years ago we were driving down to see my daughter in
      > > > >Bloomington,IN. We got diverted off the loop going around
      Indianapolis
      > > > >because of construction. We were stopped at a crossing where a 44
      > > > >tonner was pushing a string of coal hoppers into a power plant. Must
      > > > >have been at least 30 cars. Sort of like the ant and the rubber tree
      > > > >plant. I guess they were ok on level track. In comparison, Bob
      Bedford
      > > > >once told me the FJG 44 tonner had real problems with more than
      > > > >2 or 3 cars on the grade between North Main and Kingsboro in
      > > > >Gloversville.
      > > > >Saul
      > > > >
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      > Message: 13
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:11:02 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > >There is an alleged FJ&G bus in a junk yard at Ballston Lake. I've seen
      it
      > >but only while going by at 70 mph.
      >
      >
      > There was one outside Amsterdam for a while, too. Last I checked it
      wasn't
      > there anymore.
      >
      > -Aaron
      >
      >
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      > Message: 14
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:16:58 -0500 (CDT)
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > Subject: Re: #30, etc.
      >
      > I was just looking through a guide to American Shortlines 2000 and #30 is
      > still on the roster for The Burlington Railway. I believe that they
      > only have one other loco on their roster...
      >
      > Gino
      >
      >
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      > Message: 15
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:18:49 -0500
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > There is one in Gloversville as well the guy has been useing it as a
      chicken
      > coupe for some time???
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: paul larner <pklarner@...>
      > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:50 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      >
      >
      > > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > >
      > > MVT operated the bus lines beween G and Schenectady into the late
      sixties
      > > and later I believe. Trailways came into Gloversville sometime after
      MVT,
      > > perhaps they succeeded to the routes or acquired MVT. The belt line was
      > > operated by MVT in the early 60's but I left town and don't know when
      they
      > > stopped local service. The public just didn't support the service. I
      > > suspect the cutbacks at GE and the closing of the Scotia Naval Depot had
      a
      > > significant impact on the profitability of the interurban routes.
      > >
      > > There is an alleged FJ&G bus in a junk yard at Ballston Lake. I've seen
      > it
      > > but only while going by at 70 mph.
      > >
      > > PKL
      > >
      > >
      > > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > > >To: FJGRAILROAD@...
      > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0500 (CDT)
      > > >
      > > >I know that the FJG bus line went into the 50's and that their buses
      were
      > > >sold
      > > >to the Mohawk Valley Transportation, but does that mean that Fulton
      > County
      > > >and Montgomery were left without bus transportation until the 70's?
      > > >
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      > Message: 16
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:23:08 -0500 (CDT)
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > Subject: 44 tonner?
      >
      > If anyone is from the Capital District on the list, you may have noticed
      > a center cab diesel in use in Cranesville. It does switching at
      Cranesville
      > Block which is located near the old Adirondack Power and Light. On the
      > West Shore side. The Quarry is actually the end of the line for what's
      > left of the West Shore Railroad. Before I knew #30 went out to
      Burlington,
      > I thought that Cransville engine might have been her. I'm still not even
      > sure if it is the same type of engine, just that it is a center-cab
      switcher.
      >
      > Gino
      >
      >
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      > Message: 17
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:11:43 -0500
      > From: psefton@...
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > What vintage are these buses ?
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Randy & Lorraine Decker <rldecker@...>
      > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:18 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      >
      >
      > > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > >
      > > There is one in Gloversville as well the guy has been useing it as a
      > chicken
      > > coupe for some time???
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: paul larner <pklarner@...>
      > > To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:50 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > >
      > >
      > > > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > > >
      > > > MVT operated the bus lines beween G and Schenectady into the late
      > sixties
      > > > and later I believe. Trailways came into Gloversville sometime after
      > MVT,
      > > > perhaps they succeeded to the routes or acquired MVT. The belt line
      was
      > > > operated by MVT in the early 60's but I left town and don't know when
      > they
      > > > stopped local service. The public just didn't support the service. I
      > > > suspect the cutbacks at GE and the closing of the Scotia Naval Depot
      had
      > a
      > > > significant impact on the profitability of the interurban routes.
      > > >
      > > > There is an alleged FJ&G bus in a junk yard at Ballston Lake. I've
      seen
      > > it
      > > > but only while going by at 70 mph.
      > > >
      > > > PKL
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > > > >To: FJGRAILROAD@...
      > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0500 (CDT)
      > > > >
      > > > >I know that the FJG bus line went into the 50's and that their buses
      > were
      > > > >sold
      > > > >to the Mohawk Valley Transportation, but does that mean that Fulton
      > > County
      > > > >and Montgomery were left without bus transportation until the 70's?
      > > > >
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      > Message: 18
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:27:35 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Re: #30, etc.
      >
      > I think BJRY bought an Alco S1 or S2 about a year ago.
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA) <gdicarlo@...>
      > To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:17 PM
      > Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] #30, etc.
      >
      >
      > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > >
      > >I was just looking through a guide to American Shortlines 2000 and #30 is
      > >still on the roster for The Burlington Railway. I believe that they
      > >only have one other loco on their roster...
      > >
      > >Gino
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      > Message: 19
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:27:58 -0500 (CDT)
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > So Paul,
      >
      > MVT operated buses in Gloversville and Johnstown after the FJG? I thought
      > that the end of The FJG bus service was the end of belt-line bus service
      > in Gloversville and Johnstown. I remember riding those buses in
      Schenectady
      > as a kid. Right before CDTA took over the routes. There used to be a
      bunch
      > of the old buses down the street from me in Schenectady at a junk yard on
      > Aquaduct Road. Last time I looked, I don't think they were there anymore.
      > If my memory is right, I think that the Orange and Yellow paint lasted for
      > a while sitting in the junkyards. All I remembered was that they were
      > the buses that MVT owned, not the FJG...
      >
      > Gino
      >
      >
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      > Message: 20
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:28:20 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Re: 44 tonner?
      >
      > That's an EMD Model 40 switcher. Only ten or so were built. Very rare.
      >
      > -Aaron
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA) <gdicarlo@...>
      > To: FJGRAILROAD@... <FJGRAILROAD@...>
      > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 10:23 PM
      > Subject: [FJGRailroad] 44 tonner?
      >
      >
      > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > >
      > >If anyone is from the Capital District on the list, you may have noticed
      > >a center cab diesel in use in Cranesville. It does switching at
      > Cranesville
      > >Block which is located near the old Adirondack Power and Light. On the
      > >West Shore side. The Quarry is actually the end of the line for what's
      > >left of the West Shore Railroad. Before I knew #30 went out to
      Burlington,
      > >I thought that Cransville engine might have been her. I'm still not even
      > >sure if it is the same type of engine, just that it is a center-cab
      > switcher.
      > >
      > >Gino
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      > Message: 21
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:33:29 -0500
      > From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > Subject: Re: 44 tonner?
      >
      > I tremember that thing crossing the tracks on rt 5S Wow what an ugly
      little
      > engine!! I took some photo's of it a few years ago they still have it
      > sitting there right in front of the place I do not think it is
      opperational
      > anymore it would make a nice little tourist train it's got to be cheap
      to
      > run?? I have no idea what style engine this is nor the manufacturer
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA) <gdicarlo@...>
      > To: <FJGRAILROAD@...>
      > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:23 PM
      > Subject: [FJGRailroad] 44 tonner?
      >
      >
      > > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > >
      > > If anyone is from the Capital District on the list, you may have noticed
      > > a center cab diesel in use in Cranesville. It does switching at
      > Cranesville
      > > Block which is located near the old Adirondack Power and Light. On the
      > > West Shore side. The Quarry is actually the end of the line for what's
      > > left of the West Shore Railroad. Before I knew #30 went out to
      > Burlington,
      > > I thought that Cransville engine might have been her. I'm still not
      even
      > > sure if it is the same type of engine, just that it is a center-cab
      > switcher.
      > >
      > > Gino
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      > Message: 22
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:38:22 -0500
      > From: "Aaron Keller" <aakeller@...>
      > Subject: Cushing EMD Model 40
      >
      > If anybody has Railpace, March 1994, Page 28, there is an article on the
      > branch to the Cushing quarry that shows the engine in operation. I
      believe
      > it is still used from time to time, although infrequently, it's just been
      > kept in the same spot for about 15 years.
      >
      >
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      > Message: 23
      > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:41:47 -0000
      > From: "Saul Kalbfeld" <skalbfel@...>
      > Subject: Increased Storage Space
      >
      > I noticed we now have more storage space, so any members with
      > interesting pictures to post, please do. Don't be afraid to ask for
      > help. I'll be posting another batch of ICC pictures this week.
      > Saul
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 24
      > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:45:00 -0500 (CDT)
      > From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > Subject: Re: Increased Storage Space
      >
      > Saul,
      >
      > That 20 megs is quite a bit! Would you be willing to post higher res
      tiffs
      > there when you are finished with the JPEG batch of ICCs?
      >
      > Gino
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      > Message: 25
      > Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:19:48 EST
      > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > Subject: Re: Busline
      >
      > There was a trolley car off the Hale's Mills road years ago used as a
      > chicken coup.
      >
      >
      > >From: "Randy & Lorraine Decker" <rldecker@...>
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > >To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 22:18:49 -0500
      > >
      > >There is one in Gloversville as well the guy has been useing it as a
      > >chicken
      > >coupe for some time???
      > >----- Original Message -----
      > >From: paul larner <pklarner@...>
      > >To: <FJGRailroad@onelist.com>
      > >Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:50 PM
      > >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > >
      > >
      > > > From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>
      > > >
      > > > MVT operated the bus lines beween G and Schenectady into the late
      > >sixties
      > > > and later I believe. Trailways came into Gloversville sometime after
      > >MVT,
      > > > perhaps they succeeded to the routes or acquired MVT. The belt line
      was
      > > > operated by MVT in the early 60's but I left town and don't know when
      > >they
      > > > stopped local service. The public just didn't support the service. I
      > > > suspect the cutbacks at GE and the closing of the Scotia Naval Depot
      had
      > >a
      > > > significant impact on the profitability of the interurban routes.
      > > >
      > > > There is an alleged FJ&G bus in a junk yard at Ballston Lake. I've
      seen
      > >it
      > > > but only while going by at 70 mph.
      > > >
      > > > PKL
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > >From: "GINO DICARLO (QUAD GRAPHICS, SARATOGA)" <gdicarlo@...>
      > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@onelist.com
      > > > >To: FJGRAILROAD@...
      > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Busline
      > > > >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:39:40 -0500 (CDT)
      > > > >
      > > > >I know that the FJG bus line went into the 50's and that their buses
      > >were
      > > > >sold
      > > > >to the Mohawk Valley Transportation, but does that mean that Fulton
      > >County
      > > > >and Montgomery were left without bus transportation until the 70's?
      > > > >
      > > > >Gino
      > > >
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