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Scrapping No. 20 & 21

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  • Aaron Keller
    I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819922
    Message 1 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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      I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:
      http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819922
      http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819933

      The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

      That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

      -Aaron
    • Paul Larner
      Those photos are saddening. For my part, better never to see those locomotives in that condition. A proper scrapping would not have let them linger around
      Message 2 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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        Those photos are saddening.  For my part, better never to see those locomotives in that condition.  A proper scrapping would not have let them linger around for parts before their ultimate demise.  Except for very brief opportunities to see No. 340 and No. 30 operating in regular service in the mid fifties, those two locomotives were the public persona of the company from their purchase until the closing.  Even under DO ownership, while they retained their colors they reminded me of our railroad.  DO was DO; the DO never met the criteria which endeared the FJ&G to me and others old enough to have experienced the men and machines of the FJ&G.
         
        It was what it was.  For the generations who have no idea what the railroad yards and industries of Johnstown and Gloversville were like in their final years of prosperity, I hope before I (or you) die that record will be recorded in the final volume of the FJ&G history.  Really should sit down and start writing again.  Election is March 6, to which I say Amen, either way.
         
        Paul 
         

        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
        From: akeller_1979@...
        Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:51:51 -0800
        Subject: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

         
        I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:
        http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819922
        http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819933

        The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

        That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

        -Aaron


      • Gino's Railpage
        This guy got a hold of me a few years back and told me he took these pictures. He sent me scans, but the quality wasn t very good. I told him to send me his
        Message 3 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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          This guy got a hold of me a few years back and told me he took these pictures.  He sent me
          scans, but the quality wasn't very good.  I told him to send me his slides and I would use
          the high-end scanner we have at work and I would even make him proofs of the slides.  He
          told me he'd think about it and never contacted me again.

          He first contacted me to comment on the scrapping photo I have and to say the date was wrong.
          He insists that the date of 7/3/87 is correct.

          Gino

          On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
           

          I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

          The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

          That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

          -Aaron




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        • akeller_1979
          Gino, I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos. Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps
          Message 4 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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            Gino,

            I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

            Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

            It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

            According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
            http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

            It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

            -Aaron
          • jsesonske@aol.com
            I always thought the builders plates were stolen off the units. Is that incorrect? The plates were gone from the units while they were still in service. John
            Message 5 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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              I always thought the builders plates were stolen off the units. Is that incorrect? The plates were gone from the units while they were still in service.
               
              John
               
              In a message dated 2/15/2012 12:39:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, akeller_1979@... writes:
               

              Gino,

              I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

              Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

              It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

              According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
              http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

              It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

              -Aaron

            • Fjgrailroad
              Yes, the builders plates were stolen off the S2s in Gloversville Yard. I have a news article from 1975 about one being stolen. I think Mark Wilber told me
              Message 6 of 26 , Feb 14, 2012
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                Yes, the builders plates were stolen off the S2s in Gloversville Yard.  I have a news article from 1975 about one being stolen.  I think Mark Wilber told me the other was stolen before it left the property.

                Gino

                Sent from my iPhone

                On Feb 15, 2012, at 12:39 AM, "akeller_1979" <akeller_1979@...> wrote:

                 

                Gino,

                I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                -Aaron

              • Mark Wilber
                Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did. From: akeller_1979 To:
                Message 7 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                  Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                  From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                  Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                   
                  Gino,

                  I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                  Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                  It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                  According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                  http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                  It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                  -Aaron



                • Paul Larner
                  IIRC it was just one or two of the builder s plates was/were stolen, not all. The others were then removed by Walter or Jerry (?) and placed inside the
                  Message 8 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                    IIRC it was just one or two of the builder's plates was/were stolen, not all.  The others were then removed by Walter or Jerry (?) and placed inside the locomotives for safekeeping.  Each I suspect is in a collection somewhere.  Every time I see an Alco plate on eBay from either '45 or '46 I recheck the number.  The markers must also be in a collection; they were generic for the manufacturer so could never today be given positive attribution to the FJ&G.  The markers on the 30 were NYC&HRR cut down and those on the 340 may have been actually marked FJ&G - there is one at the FC Museum on Kingsboro Ave. so marked.
                     
                    PKL
                     

                    To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    From: mwilber2001@...
                    Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:07:27 -0800
                    Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                     
                    Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                    From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                    To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                    Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                     
                    Gino,

                    I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                    Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                    It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                    According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                    http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                    It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                    -Aaron




                  • jsesonske@aol.com
                    If I recall, both plates on the 21 were stolen. It was probably at that point that someone decided to take the plates off the 20 for safekeeping. ... From:
                    Message 9 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                      If I recall, both plates on the 21 were stolen. It was probably at that point that someone decided to take the plates off the 20 for safekeeping.


                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Paul Larner <pklarner@...>
                      To: FJGRailroad <fjgrailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 10:17 am
                      Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                       
                      IIRC it was just one or two of the builder's plates was/were stolen, not all.  The others were then removed by Walter or Jerry (?) and placed inside the locomotives for safekeeping.  Each I suspect is in a collection somewhere.  Every time I see an Alco plate on eBay from either '45 or '46 I recheck the number.  The markers must also be in a collection; they were generic for the manufacturer so could never today be given positive attribution to the FJ&G.  The markers on the 30 were NYC&HRR cut down and those on the 340 may have been actually marked FJ&G - there is one at the FC Museum on Kingsboro Ave. so marked.
                       
                      PKL
                       

                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      From: mwilber2001@...
                      Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:07:27 -0800
                      Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                       
                      Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                      From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                      Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                       
                      Gino,

                      I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                      Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                      It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                      According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                      http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                      It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                      -Aaron




                    • Gino's Railpage
                      When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW? ... -- http://fjgrr.org http://ginosrailpage.com http://ginostrolleypage.com
                      Message 10 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                        When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                        On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                         

                        Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                        From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                        Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                         
                        Gino,

                        I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                        Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                        It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                        According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                        http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                        It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                        -Aaron






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                      • Dean Splittgerber
                        The thing that get s me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the
                        Message 11 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                          The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                          But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                          Dean

                          On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                           

                          I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                          The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                          That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                          -Aaron




                          --
                          Dean J. Splittgerber, Duanesburg, NY

                        • Gino's Railpage
                          The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine. He puts it in service for a short time then it gets
                          Message 12 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                            The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                            On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                             

                            The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                            But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                            Dean

                            On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                             

                            I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                            The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                            That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                            -Aaron




                            --
                            Dean J. Splittgerber, Duanesburg, NY




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                          • jsesonske@aol.com
                            Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good
                            Message 13 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                              Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                              To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                              Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                               
                              The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                              On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                               
                              The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                              But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                              Dean

                              On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                               
                              I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                              The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                              That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                              -Aaron



                              --
                              Dean J. Splittgerber, Duanesburg, NY




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                            • Gino's Railpage
                              The 103 is my favorite engine! When I saw that get restored I was very happy. I don t know why they re not taking care of it! Who can I contact to inquire
                              Message 14 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                The 103 is my favorite engine!  When I saw that get restored I was very happy.  I don't know why they're not taking care of it!  Who can I contact to inquire about the situation?

                                Gino

                                On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, <jsesonske@...> wrote:
                                 

                                Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                                Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                 
                                The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                                On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                                 
                                The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                                But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                                Dean

                                On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                                 
                                I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                                The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                                That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                                -Aaron



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                                Dean J. Splittgerber, Duanesburg, NY







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                              • jsesonske@aol.com
                                http://www.urhs.org/ Go to the roster tab, RDG 492, original number. ... From: Gino s Railpage To: FJGRailroad
                                Message 15 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                  Go to the roster tab, RDG 492, original number.


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                  To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04 pm
                                  Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                   
                                  The 103 is my favorite engine!  When I saw that get restored I was very happy.  I don't know why they're not taking care of it!  Who can I contact to inquire about the situation?

                                  Gino

                                  On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, <jsesonske@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                                  -----Original Message-----
                                  From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                  To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                                  Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                   
                                  The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                                  On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                                  But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                                  Dean

                                  On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                                   
                                  I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                                  The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                                  That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                                  -Aaron



                                  --
                                  Dean J. Splittgerber, Duanesburg, NY







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                                • Mark Wilber
                                  When I heard about the request about the 116 will be removed from the CACV,and the next time I came in contact with Walt and Joe Shynezcen (?),I asked about
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                    When I heard about the request about the 116 will be removed from the CACV,and the next time I came in contact with Walt and Joe Shynezcen (?),I asked about it. I was told by Joe that the 116 was a loaner until the CACV group find another locomotive.It was also agreed that the NYSW could take back the 116 was needed,but would give them amp time to replace it.I dont know if actually Walt own that,a guy name Del Button ,which was on the Board of Directors,was the owner when it first came on our property.If Walt loaned it from him,or given to Walt,or bought by Walt; no idea. I did thought the same thing about being used then put aside. Our union was putting great pressure on the company on not using. No hand railings,horn too loud,excessive exhaust,no toliets,not equipped with required arm rests.Engine was so loud,couldn't hear the radio.Just an unsafe unit to use for frieght service.

                                    From: "jsesonske@..." <jsesonske@...>
                                    To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:17 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                     
                                    http://www.urhs.org/
                                     
                                    Go to the roster tab, RDG 492, original number.


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                    To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04 pm
                                    Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                     
                                    The 103 is my favorite engine!  When I saw that get restored I was very happy.  I don't know why they're not taking care of it!  Who can I contact to inquire about the situation?

                                    Gino

                                    On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, <jsesonske@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                                    -----Original Message-----
                                    From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                    To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                                    Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                     
                                    The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                                    On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                                    But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                                    Dean

                                    On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                                     
                                    I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:
                                    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819922
                                    http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819933

                                    The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                                    That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                                    -Aaron



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                                  • Mark Wilber
                                    When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley. From: Gino s Railpage To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                      When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley.

                                      From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:17 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                       
                                      When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                                      On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                       
                                      Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                                      From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                                      Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                       
                                      Gino,

                                      I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                      Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                      It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                      According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                      http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                      It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                      -Aaron






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                                    • Dean Splittgerber
                                      And #6 brake.....
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                        And #6 brake.....

                                        On Feb 15, 2012 3:14 PM, "Mark Wilber" <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                         

                                        When I heard about the request about the 116 will be removed from the CACV,and the next time I came in contact with Walt and Joe Shynezcen (?),I asked about it. I was told by Joe that the 116 was a loaner until the CACV group find another locomotive.It was also agreed that the NYSW could take back the 116 was needed,but would give them amp time to replace it.I dont know if actually Walt own that,a guy name Del Button ,which was on the Board of Directors,was the owner when it first came on our property.If Walt loaned it from him,or given to Walt,or bought by Walt; no idea. I did thought the same thing about being used then put aside. Our union was putting great pressure on the company on not using. No hand railings,horn too loud,excessive exhaust,no toliets,not equipped with required arm rests.Engine was so loud,couldn't hear the radio.Just an unsafe unit to use for frieght service.

                                        From: "jsesonske@..." <jsesonske@...>
                                        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:17 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                         
                                         
                                        Go to the roster tab, RDG 492, original number.


                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                        To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04 pm
                                        Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                         
                                        The 103 is my favorite engine!  When I saw that get restored I was very happy.  I don't know why they're not taking care of it!  Who can I contact to inquire about the situation?

                                        Gino

                                        On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, <jsesonske@...> wrote:
                                         
                                        Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                        To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                                        Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                         
                                        The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                                        On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                                         
                                        The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                                        But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                                        Dean

                                        On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                                         
                                        I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:

                                        The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                                        That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                                        -Aaron



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                                      • Paul Larner
                                        IIRC, there were bushel bags full of tokens kept in a room adjacent the freight office. There must be tens of thousands of those available to the collectors.
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                          IIRC, there were bushel bags full of tokens kept in a room adjacent the freight office.  There must be tens of thousands of those available to the collectors.  They were originally kept in the vaults of the GOB which burned in 1969.  The contents were moved across the street after the fire. 
                                           
                                          Mark, do you know what happened to the mass of documents that remained in the room when DO took over in 1974?  DFN and I had the opportunity to go through them one afternoon, however there wasn't time to look at everything.
                                           
                                          PKL
                                           

                                          To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: mwilber2001@...
                                          Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:17:16 -0800
                                          Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                           
                                          When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley.

                                          From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                          To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:17 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                           
                                          When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                                          On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                                          From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                                          To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                                          Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                           
                                          Gino,

                                          I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                          Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                          It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                          According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                          http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                          It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                          -Aaron






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                                        • Mark Wilber
                                          Paul-A lot of those documents and old office supplies were stored upstairs of the freight office. I had gone up there a few times and looked over the old
                                          Message 20 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                            Paul-A lot of those documents and old office supplies were stored upstairs of the freight office. I had gone up there a few times and looked over the old ledgers.Most were payroll ledgers,some dating back in the 30's & 40's.Old typewriters and bags of tokens were up there.After a
                                            while,Walt had the upstairs clean out,and what happen to the contents,no idea.

                                            From: Paul Larner <pklarner@...>
                                            To: FJGRailroad <fjgrailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:25 PM
                                            Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                             
                                            IIRC, there were bushel bags full of tokens kept in a room adjacent the freight office.  There must be tens of thousands of those available to the collectors.  They were originally kept in the vaults of the GOB which burned in 1969.  The contents were moved across the street after the fire. 
                                             
                                            Mark, do you know what happened to the mass of documents that remained in the room when DO took over in 1974?  DFN and I had the opportunity to go through them one afternoon, however there wasn't time to look at everything.
                                             
                                            PKL
                                             
                                            To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: mwilber2001@...
                                            Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:17:16 -0800
                                            Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                             
                                            When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley.

                                            From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                            To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:17 AM
                                            Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                             
                                            When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                                            On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                             
                                            Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                                            From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                                            To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                                            Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                             
                                            Gino,

                                            I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                            Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                            It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                            According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                            http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                            It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                            -Aaron






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                                            http://ginostrolleypage.com
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                                          • Paul Larner
                                            About those tokens. They were a standard size, except for the Amsterdam nickel tokens and could be used in the NYCity subway and other bus lines. If a token
                                            Message 21 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                              About those tokens.  They were a standard size, except for the Amsterdam nickel tokens and could be used in the NYCity subway and other bus lines.  If a token was used off system the carrier could bill the cost back to the token owner - not unlike other forms of interline settlements.   Hence the need to keep them locked up.  Today  I don't believe tokens of this type are used anywhere for transit.
                                               
                                              PKL
                                               

                                              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                              From: mwilber2001@...
                                              Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:06 -0800
                                              Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                               
                                              Paul-A lot of those documents and old office supplies were stored upstairs of the freight office. I had gone up there a few times and looked over the old ledgers.Most were payroll ledgers,some dating back in the 30's & 40's.Old typewriters and bags of tokens were up there.After a
                                              while,Walt had the upstairs clean out,and what happen to the contents,no idea.

                                              From: Paul Larner <pklarner@...>
                                              To: FJGRailroad <fjgrailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                              Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:25 PM
                                              Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                               
                                              IIRC, there were bushel bags full of tokens kept in a room adjacent the freight office.  There must be tens of thousands of those available to the collectors.  They were originally kept in the vaults of the GOB which burned in 1969.  The contents were moved across the street after the fire. 
                                               
                                              Mark, do you know what happened to the mass of documents that remained in the room when DO took over in 1974?  DFN and I had the opportunity to go through them one afternoon, however there wasn't time to look at everything.
                                               
                                              PKL
                                               
                                              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                              From: mwilber2001@...
                                              Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:17:16 -0800
                                              Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                               
                                              When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley.

                                              From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:17 AM
                                              Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                               
                                              When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                                              On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                               
                                              Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                                              From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                                              To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                                              Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                               
                                              Gino,

                                              I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                              Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                              It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                              According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                              http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                              It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                              -Aaron






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                                            • Mark Wilber
                                              Yep and #6 brake,and also no dynamic braking.When applying the automatic,the air was so load that you couldnt hear anything until the air stopped blowing.
                                              Message 22 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                                Yep and #6 brake,and also no dynamic braking.When applying the automatic,the air was so load that you couldnt hear anything until the air stopped blowing.
                                                From: Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...>
                                                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:36 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                 
                                                And #6 brake.....
                                                On Feb 15, 2012 3:14 PM, "Mark Wilber" <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                                 
                                                When I heard about the request about the 116 will be removed from the CACV,and the next time I came in contact with Walt and Joe Shynezcen (?),I asked about it. I was told by Joe that the 116 was a loaner until the CACV group find another locomotive.It was also agreed that the NYSW could take back the 116 was needed,but would give them amp time to replace it.I dont know if actually Walt own that,a guy name Del Button ,which was on the Board of Directors,was the owner when it first came on our property.If Walt loaned it from him,or given to Walt,or bought by Walt; no idea. I did thought the same thing about being used then put aside. Our union was putting great pressure on the company on not using. No hand railings,horn too loud,excessive exhaust,no toliets,not equipped with required arm rests.Engine was so loud,couldn't hear the radio.Just an unsafe unit to use for frieght service.

                                                From: "jsesonske@..." <jsesonske@...>
                                                To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:17 PM
                                                Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                 
                                                http://www.urhs.org/
                                                 
                                                Go to the roster tab, RDG 492, original number.


                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                                To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 2:04 pm
                                                Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                 
                                                The 103 is my favorite engine!  When I saw that get restored I was very happy.  I don't know why they're not taking care of it!  Who can I contact to inquire about the situation?

                                                Gino

                                                On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM, <jsesonske@...> wrote:
                                                 
                                                Good point. My opinion is he might have been a Rail Historian but not much of a preservationist which is a real shame as over the years a lot of really good pieces of equipment passed thru the DO-NYSW. Of course you need a willing recipient able to take and care for the item. Even though its not pure FJG, I still have an attachment to the 103, and now thats rotting away under the ownership of an historical society. I sure hope the 103 does not get cut up.


                                                -----Original Message-----
                                                From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                                To: FJGRailroad <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                                Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 12:45 pm
                                                Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                 
                                                The thing that gets me is that Walter took the 116 from the CACV and told them to find their own engine.  He puts it in service for a short time then it gets donated to Arkville.  I didn't get that...

                                                On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Dean Splittgerber <deano12056@...> wrote:
                                                 
                                                The thing that get's me is Walter was not only a Railfan but a Rail Historian. His passion especially for the O&W was legendary. Just think on his behest the NW2 #116 was shipped to Arkville at a cost exceeding two hundred thousand dollars.

                                                But I still scratch my head to why he scrapped both of these units. Look at all the Junk that they never ended up scrapping that survived out in Utica until recently but he had these units on the fast track to destruction. Absolute shame and travesty! IMOP....

                                                Dean

                                                On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Aaron Keller <akeller_1979@...> wrote:
                                                 
                                                I just found these shots, which appear to have been posted at the very end of last year:
                                                http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819922
                                                http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2819933

                                                The photos are dated 7/3/1987 and the caption states, "[t]his was the Friday before they were cut up."

                                                That is the most precise date I have ever seen for the scrapping.

                                                -Aaron



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                                              • Gino's Railpage
                                                The Suzy-Q (Ontrack) passenger train that they were running in Syracuse a few years ago used the FJ&G tokens as fair. My father-in-law took Ontrack to SU for
                                                Message 23 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                                  The Suzy-Q (Ontrack) passenger train that they were running in Syracuse a few years ago used the FJ&G tokens as fair.  My father-in-law took Ontrack to SU for a football game, bought an extra token since he figured I didn't have one.

                                                  People would send them to me and say they picked it up in Syracuse and I probably didn't have one.  I can't remember which size is the common sized token, but I received the uncommon sized token when my grandmother passed away a few years ago.  It was in her change purse after all these years!

                                                  Gino


                                                  On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Paul Larner <pklarner@...> wrote:
                                                   

                                                  About those tokens.  They were a standard size, except for the Amsterdam nickel tokens and could be used in the NYCity subway and other bus lines.  If a token was used off system the carrier could bill the cost back to the token owner - not unlike other forms of interline settlements.   Hence the need to keep them locked up.  Today  I don't believe tokens of this type are used anywhere for transit.
                                                   
                                                  PKL
                                                   

                                                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                  From: mwilber2001@...
                                                  Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:06 -0800

                                                  Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                   
                                                  Paul-A lot of those documents and old office supplies were stored upstairs of the freight office. I had gone up there a few times and looked over the old ledgers.Most were payroll ledgers,some dating back in the 30's & 40's.Old typewriters and bags of tokens were up there.After a
                                                  while,Walt had the upstairs clean out,and what happen to the contents,no idea.

                                                  From: Paul Larner <pklarner@...>
                                                  To: FJGRailroad <fjgrailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:25 PM
                                                  Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                   
                                                  IIRC, there were bushel bags full of tokens kept in a room adjacent the freight office.  There must be tens of thousands of those available to the collectors.  They were originally kept in the vaults of the GOB which burned in 1969.  The contents were moved across the street after the fire. 
                                                   
                                                  Mark, do you know what happened to the mass of documents that remained in the room when DO took over in 1974?  DFN and I had the opportunity to go through them one afternoon, however there wasn't time to look at everything.
                                                   
                                                  PKL
                                                   
                                                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                  From: mwilber2001@...
                                                  Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:17:16 -0800
                                                  Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                   
                                                  When I worked on the FJG. I did get a bag of tokens when they had the trolley.

                                                  From: Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...>
                                                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:17 AM
                                                  Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                   
                                                  When they were in Gloversville or down on the NYSW?

                                                  On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Mark Wilber <mwilber2001@...> wrote:
                                                   
                                                  Just think,I had golden opportunity to take anything off those units,and I never did.

                                                  From: akeller_1979 <akeller_1979@...>
                                                  To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 12:39 AM
                                                  Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                   
                                                  Gino,

                                                  I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                                  Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                                  It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                                  According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                                  http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                                  It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                                  -Aaron






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                                                • joseph Klapkowski
                                                  I know the plates were gone at some point when they were still in Gloversville. I want to say this was about 1984 when I shot them w/o the plates. I will have
                                                  Message 24 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                                    I know the plates were gone at some point when they were still in Gloversville. I want to say this was about 1984 when I shot them w/o the plates. I will have to go back further to see when it was that I shot them with the builder's plates on.....
                                                     

                                                    To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                    From: jsesonske@...
                                                    Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:13:11 -0500
                                                    Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                     
                                                    I always thought the builders plates were stolen off the units. Is that incorrect? The plates were gone from the units while they were still in service.
                                                     
                                                    John
                                                     
                                                    In a message dated 2/15/2012 12:39:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, akeller_1979@... writes:
                                                     
                                                    Gino,

                                                    I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                                    Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                                    It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                                    According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                                    http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                                    It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                                    -Aaron




                                                  • joseph Klapkowski
                                                    This thread has been around before. I recall seeing the units in LF and they were unmolested for quite some time To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com From:
                                                    Message 25 of 26 , Feb 15, 2012
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                                                      This thread has been around before. I recall seeing the units in LF and they were unmolested for quite some time
                                                       

                                                      To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                      From: akeller_1979@...
                                                      Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:39:08 +0000
                                                      Subject: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                       
                                                      Gino,

                                                      I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                                      Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                                      It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                                      According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                                      http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                                      It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                                      -Aaron


                                                    • Mark Wilber
                                                      I know both were stolen off of one of the units,not sure which one.I was working the ground work one day and noticed they were gone,I reported it to
                                                      Message 26 of 26 , Feb 16, 2012
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                                                        I know both were stolen off of one of the units,not sure which one.I was working the ground work one day and noticed they were gone,I reported it to Cooperstown at the time,but no one really cared about it.

                                                        From: joseph Klapkowski <riverlinejoe@...>
                                                        To: Fonda Johnstown <fjgrailroad@yahoogroups.com>
                                                        Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:09 PM
                                                        Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                         
                                                        I know the plates were gone at some point when they were still in Gloversville. I want to say this was about 1984 when I shot them w/o the plates. I will have to go back further to see when it was that I shot them with the builder's plates on.....
                                                         
                                                        To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
                                                        From: jsesonske@...
                                                        Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:13:11 -0500
                                                        Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Re: Scrapping No. 20 & 21

                                                         
                                                        I always thought the builders plates were stolen off the units. Is that incorrect? The plates were gone from the units while they were still in service.
                                                         
                                                        John
                                                         
                                                        In a message dated 2/15/2012 12:39:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, akeller_1979@... writes:
                                                         
                                                        Gino,

                                                        I had forgotten that you had dates attached to your scrapping photos.

                                                        Your first shot is dated April, 1987; your second is dated June 5th, 1987. Perhaps they sat around for another month until July, 1987? It is unlikely the job was a critical one and they may have done it "when men and time were available."

                                                        It has long been stated that parts to one or both of the FJ&G units went into the rebuild of NYS&W No. 206. It is possible that the units were slowly picked clean for a few years leading up to the Summer of '87.

                                                        According to this, No. 206 had been rebuilt back in '85:
                                                        http://www.maywoodstation.com/NYSW206_1.htm

                                                        It is too bad a few 'parts' to the FJ&G units didn't remain. I would have liked to have had the number boards, the bells, the throttles, or whatever else I could have. The builder's plates, the marker lamps, and the original horns were removed in Gloversville. I wonder where they all went. (Paul?)

                                                        -Aaron






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