RE: [FJGRailroad] RE: Schenectady Locomotive Works - A&StL locomotives.
- You created some clarity. The name Adirondack & st. lawrence was spelled out
on the tender. No doubt about the name. My confusion was whether the
Adirondack railroad was the same as the Adirondack & St. Lawrence..... can
not account for the wheel diameter discrepancy....
>From: "paul larner" <pklarner@...>_________________________________________________________________
>Subject: [FJGRailroad] RE: Schenectady Locomotive Works - A&StL
>Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:12:05 -0500
>Was going to do a check the easy way from the ALCO files copied from the
>Schen. Hist. Soc but the first several pages were either misplaced or not
>copied??? so I did it another way:
>The locomotive numbers and wheel arrangements match those owned by the
>but not the driving wheel diameter, except for No. 1. Let me give you the
>builders numbers to see if they correspond with those on the photos.
>Rebuilding could have resulted in altered wheel diameters.
>Not sure, off the top of my head, what other road would have used the A&StL
> 1 - CN# 3510; Blt. 1891
>11 - CN# 3593; Blt. 1892
>12 - CN# 3512; Blt. 1891
>33 - CN# 3723; Blt. 1892
>Each of these locomotives eventually saw service under CV, Rutland and NYCL
>after there time on the A&StL. My guess this later service was in upstate
>NY during the periods those other roads had their turn with what was the
>O&LC. H. Walter Webb, builder of the A&StL, allegedly to the chagrin of
>his father in law who had just acquired control of the RW&O, was a frequent
>visitor to the FJ&G during 1892 and 1893.
>The D&H connection confused me a bit because you mentioned the RW&O. The
>D&H inherited two railroads from the NY&OM in 1875, connecting to the RW&O
>but not in the Adirondacks. It was the line that became the DL&W's lines
>to Utica and Rome - Rome and Clinton and the Utica, Clinton and Binghamton.
>The Adirondack RR on the other hand, and other side of the mountains, was
>always the Adirondack until absorbed into the D&H. The A&St.L ran north
>from Herkimer, always allied with the NYC, never RW&O.. To the best of my
>knowledge the only connection A&StL had with any D&H lines was near Saranac
>Sources: "A Century of Progress: The History of the D&H Co."
> Henry Harter's, " Fairy Tale Railroad"
>Does that help or create more questions.
> >From: "joseph Klapkowski" <riverlinejoe@...>
> >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
> >To: email@example.com, HudsonRiverRailLines@...,
> >Subject: [FJGRailroad] From the Archives - Schenectady Locomotive Works
> >Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:03:59 +0000
> >Awhile back, I acquired a whole bunch of paper builder's photos. These
> >measure 16 x 4 1/2 and were printed by the Lithotype Print Co., 111
> >Street ,N.Y.
> >There must be 25 photos here some with road names that I can not figure
> >like the handsome photo of JSA&HR 4-4-0 passenger engine (Jacksonville
> >Aug & Halifax River? This line is listed as a 3 foot gauge in Edson,
> >Railroad Names). This engne had a tractive effort of 1,234 lbs on a level
> >with 63" drivers. The Tender had a tank capacity of 2500 gallons.
> >Another neat picture is of FE&MVR (Fremont, Elkhorn & Missouri Valley
> >part of CNW) #208, a brawny looking 4-8-0 with 37 inch drivers, a
> >effort of 1,994 and a tank capacity of 2100 gallons.
> >There is also a photo of NYC&HRRR #94 a six wheel switching locomotive
> >a tractive effort of 3,594 and 51 inch drivers.
> >My favorite in the collection has to be of # 31, a 4-4-0 of the Rochester
> >Lake Ontario Railway Company which looks like an inspection engine.
> >the description notes that this is an eight wheel Forney locomotive for
> >Suburban and Street Railway Traffic. This engine had 43 inch drivers and
> >tractive effort of 1,118 with the rear tank holding 700 gallons (no
> >There are cow catchers at both ends and the largest builders plate I have
> >ever seen on the side of the exposed boiler ahead of the carbody and a
> >boxy headlight that sits on a platform ahead of the number plate on the
> >nose. Since this is a photo of only one side of the engine, I can not
> >you for sure, but it appears that there is only one way to climb aboard,
> >that being from the front of the engine. There are seven large windows
> >the carbody. There are headlights forward and rear. By the way this is
> >ONLY engine that is listed as burning anthracite.
> >Now having said all this I have finally come to the part that I get a
> >confused about that actually started me think about this while I wa
> >rummagging around in the archives. There are four photos of Adirondack &
> >Lawrence Ry Co. engines. Is this the Adirondack Railroad that became part
> >the D&H or part of the RW&O or other later NYC lines ?
> >Anyway the details are as follows:
> >#1, 0-4-0 with 51 inch drivers and 2328 tractive effort with an eight
> >sloping tender that has a capacity of 2,250 gallons and headlights front
> >Next are #11 and 12 but they are not identical.
> ># 11 is a 4-4-0 and has 70 inch drivers, 1,472 TE and a tender with a
> >gallon capacity.
> ># 12 is also a 4-4-0 with 64 inch drivers, 1,668 TE and a tender with
> >gallon capacity.
> >Question - Is the Tender capacity an indictaion of whether or not the
> >is a road engine ?
> >Last is #33 another brawny looking 4-6-0 with 57 inch drivers, 2,670 TE
> >a tender with 3,600 gallon capacity.
> >Now it is time to watch the second half of the GIANTS
> >game.......................Oh I almost forgot, What's in your
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