Re: [FJGRailroad] Feeding Steam
- Hi Gino,
Guess this was all "armstrong" coaling. I zoomed in on an old Fonda
Yard Map I think Saul or Paul posted to the list years ago and found a
small triangular shaped thingie just west of the switch leading to the
Fonda turntable labeled "Coal Platform". I guess that makes the
stopping beside a gondola load of coal a probability as well. Can you
imaging having to hand shovel 50 tons of coal from a gon to a tender to
start your day!
Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
> There was a water plug on the south side of Fulton Street. I have a
> Picture somewhere, I guess it's not on the site. Also, there was an
> Ash pit on the West Side of Gloversville Yard. I know there was a
> Water tower in Northville, but I can't think of any other ones!
- I have a photo which shows two hoppers of coal on the far west track near
the coach shed in Gloversville... and you can barely see the conveyor.
This is a relatively popular photo taken during the 1949(?) fan trip.
I have another photo which shows No. 8 next to what appears to be a coal
loading facilitiy. It's labeled Gloversville but I can't seem to place it.
Paul Larner --- maybe you know the picture. Behind the locomotive is a
pile of coal at least as high as the top of No. 8's boiler; and at least as
long as the locomotive. Sticking out of the coal is a series of what
appears to be wooden trusses holding a metal track, attached to which is
some sort of bucket. Is this in fact a Gloversville picture?
(Unfortuately I don't have a scanner here).
I also have a photo of No. 9 approaching Kingsboro Avenue. There is a coal
conveyor facing the tracks near the coal tubes. Not sure why this was
- Hi Paul and Aaron,
Thanks for a great explanation. While drawing the original layout I
seen hundreds of photos but as I was drawing a diesel layout it just
never occurred to me that there was nothing in the background for
servicing steam... well maybe there was... I'll have to have a look
again now that I have an idea what to look for.
paul larner wrote:
> Good morning Paul,
> I started a reply, then while digging out answers I lost the message. Will
> try again without all the quotes and just give you the skinny.
> I am surprised that there are no pictures of the large coal facilities on
> the FJ&G; probabl;y because there were none. FJ&G locomotives were fueld at
> Fonda from the beginning, later Gloversville and then also at Northville.
> The Fonda facility was located off the turntable lead drawing coal from cars
> placed on the track crossing the lead on the diamond. Coal was hand
> shovelled into the tenders until 1889 when the company put in a hoist and
> bucket system.
> 072082 RIOT – A riot on a small scale occurred at Fonda, Tuesday between the
> striking employees of the F. J. & G. R. R. Company. It grew out of the
> willing disposition of one of them to proceed with his work, being engaged
> in heaving coal into the tender of an engine. Being remonstrated with he
> refused to quit, whereupon the rest of the gang set upon him and gave him a
> severe beating.
> 101789 The F. J. & G. have put up a large crane for the loading of coal on
> their locomotives at Fonda. (DL)
> In Gloversville coaling engines was similarly ar hand job. Coal would be
> dumped or shovelled out onto the ground or into sheds then hand loaded in to
> the tenders. The round house at Gloversville was always in the same
> location. Until the building of the south roundhouse I suspect coaling was
> done south of the turntable location from the ground. LAter coaling was
> done from teh ground or from caol hoppers on a track located roughly where
> the track into the new carpenter shop (1911) lay. There was a team track
> east of that track where coal hoppers and other cars were spotted. Later,
> probably after 1911 and until the end of steam on teh FJ&G the tenders were
> filled on the track leading into the old coach house. Coal was dumped on
> the ground and shoveled, hoisted and lastly conveyored in to the tenders.
> At Northville coal was similarly hand shovelled into the tenders. Coal was
> stored in the original two stall engine house and also in a shed adjacent to
> the engine house.
> Water was taken at Fonda, Gloversville and Northville. The NYC stands were
> used at Fonda adjacent the little FJ&G yard west toward the bridge. In
> Gloversville water was first supplied by a tub system in the old round
> house. Water was pumped into the tub then flowed in to the tenders. Best I
> can determine water would be taken while standing on the tarck adjacent to
> the round house but have no pictures except one poor one of No. 4 standing
> next to the building. Northvile also used a tub system in the original
> After the fire destroyed to original Northville roundhouse, a water tower
> was erected beside the new engine house, now only a single stall. This can
> be seen in the postcard of the Northville facility titled "Train Arriving
> Sacandaga Park".
> With the building of a new roundhouse on the site of the original roundhouse
> in Gloversville the tub system was discontinued. At this time arrangements
> wer made with the city of Gloversville to supply water to a stand pipe
> located between W. Fulton Street and the crossover switch from the "Main" to
> the "Northville." This too lasted until the end of steam.
> Plans were discussed for placing a standpipe in Johnstown but nothing came
> of it. The city fathers were afraid of breaking pipes with the shutoff of
> so great a flow.
> For a short, very short, while the company may have coaled and watered (from
> the creek) engines at Broadalbin. As winter approached and there being no
> roundhouse or turntable at Broadalbin yet, the engines were soon run back to
> Gloversville for the night and presumably the trains also. This lasted just
> over a year when, in November 1896, the service was changed to the first
> train originating at, and the last train terminating at, Gloversville.
> Interestingly that pattern for the first train is the pattern that continued
> to the end of passenger service in 1956.
> There was as ahs pit at Gloversville on the coaling track. This was built
> later (near the turn of the 20th century + or - a few years) previously the
> ashes were handle from the ground. They would be placed on flat cars, taken
> out and dumped along the right of way.
> Did that answer your question? Once I get settled down here I will be
> completing my book. The first volume is supposed to be in edit now (it's a
> part time job and haven't heard back in the past couple weeks.).
- Yes. I wrote a reply this morning (twice again) but haven't seen it here
yet. When it hits the site I expect it will provoke more questions.
>From: "Aaron Keller" <akeller1979@...>
>Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Feeding Steam
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 12:27:46 -0500
>I have a photo which shows two hoppers of coal on the far west track near
>the coach shed in Gloversville... and you can barely see the conveyor.
>This is a relatively popular photo taken during the 1949(?) fan trip.
>I have another photo which shows No. 8 next to what appears to be a coal
>loading facilitiy. It's labeled Gloversville but I can't seem to place it.
>Paul Larner --- maybe you know the picture. Behind the locomotive is a
>pile of coal at least as high as the top of No. 8's boiler; and at least as
>long as the locomotive. Sticking out of the coal is a series of what
>appears to be wooden trusses holding a metal track, attached to which is
>some sort of bucket. Is this in fact a Gloversville picture?
>(Unfortuately I don't have a scanner here).
>I also have a photo of No. 9 approaching Kingsboro Avenue. There is a coal
>conveyor facing the tracks near the coal tubes. Not sure why this was
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- Hi Paul,
Your reply did show up on the list at 12:28 this afternoon. I replied
to it and Aaron's reply at 4:31.
My mail and news group messages have been acting strange in the past
couple of days, maybe there is a larger problem out there if you are
having problems too.
paul larner wrote:
> Yes. I wrote a reply this morning (twice again) but haven't seen it here
> yet. When it hits the site I expect it will provoke more questions.
- Nope haven't seen it yet. It could be my server doesn't work friendly with
Yahoo all the time; I have another site that seems to lose threads of a
message series. If that answer earlier didn't cover your questions, tell me
what you need.
>From: Paul Charland <p.charlie@...>
>Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Feeding Steam
>Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 20:06:31 -0400
>Your reply did show up on the list at 12:28 this afternoon. I replied
>to it and Aaron's reply at 4:31.
>My mail and news group messages have been acting strange in the past
>couple of days, maybe there is a larger problem out there if you are
>having problems too.
>paul larner wrote:
> > Yes. I wrote a reply this morning (twice again) but haven't seen it
> > yet. When it hits the site I expect it will provoke more questions.
> > PKL