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  • Gino's Railpage
    No one wants to hear equipment failure, they want to hear that a drunk is running the train! Gino
    Message 1 of 5 , Oct 14, 2005
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      No one wants to hear "equipment failure," they want to hear that a
      'drunk' is running the train!

      Gino

      On 10/14/05, Stephen G. Myers <Knixrule1@...> wrote:
      >
      > I read this and if I were not a railroad employee I would think that the
      > cause of the derailment was "driver" failure or drug and alcohol induced.
      > Very poor reporting. The cause was most likely a journal bearing
      > failure!
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:29:32 -0400 Gino's Railpage
      > <fjgrailroad@...> writes:
      > > Albany train wreck snarls service
      > >
      > > AMSTERDAM, N.Y. -- A CSX freight train derailed in this
      > > city's
      > > downtown Wednesday morning (Oct. 12), sending 18 cars off the
      > > tracks
      > > including one that landed partially in the Mohawk River,
      > > authorities
      > > told the Albany Times Union.
      > > The 84-car train mangled east- and west-bound tracks when it
      > > jumped the rails at 8:20 a.m., sending boxcars slamming into each
      > > other and forcing suspension of all freight and passenger rail
      > > traffic
      > > between Albany and Syracuse. Several of the cars narrowly missed a
      > > warehouse owned by Terleckey Brothers, a local trucking and tire
      > > firm.
      > >
      > > The cars that derailed were from the middle of the train,
      > > which
      > > originated in Cincinnati, and the two-member crew was unharmed. The
      > > train was bound for the Selkirk yard just south of Albany.
      > >
      > > A data recorder was retrieved from the train and
      > > investigators
      > > will use it to try to determine what caused the wreck. "That
      > > information will be downloaded very soon," CSX spokesman Maurice
      > > O'Connell said.
      > >
      > > He said the engineer would be tested for alcohol and drug
      > > consumption as investigators search for a cause of the derailment,
      > > which occurred at a switching point on the eastbound tracks in this
      > > Montgomery County city.
      > >
      > > The cause of the derailment remained under investigation, and
      > > CSX officials are expected to probe possible driver error, flaws in
      > > the tracks or some other problem.
      > >
      > > Ten of the cars that derailed were empty, including the car
      > > that
      > > landed in the river. That car contained a residue of ignet, a
      > > powdery
      > > substance O'Connell likened to aluminum. Department of
      > > Environmental
      > > Conservation officials said there was no risk of contamination from
      > > the car that landed in the river.
      > >
      > > Other cars contained loads of the nontoxic powder, wood pulp
      > > and
      > > soy bean oil, officials said.
      > >
      > > The derailment was the first in recent memory in Amsterdam.
      > > The
      > > accident is dwarfed by a derailment that occurred in Fonda in
      > > December
      > > 1995, when 51 cars were knocked off the rails. One of those had
      > > been
      > > carrying sodium hydroxide that spilled into nearby farmland and
      > > forced
      > > the evacuation of homes.
      > >
      > > "We were very lucky. This could have been a passenger train,"
      > > Battalion Chief Walter Martin of the Amsterdam Fire Department said
      > > as
      > > he watched CSX cranes pull the mangled cars from the tracks.
      > >
      > > Once the cars were pulled from the tracks, O'Connell said CSX
      > > would repair the rails and hoped to have service restored by this
      > > morning.
      > >
      > > Amtrak suspended most upstate service and bused 917
      > > passengers
      > > whose trains were stranded on either side of the derailment. The
      > > effort was intended to allow the passengers to connect with trains
      > > in
      > > Syracuse and Rensselaer, said James Turngren, Amtrak's district
      > > superintendent for the Empire Corridor.
      > >
      > > The derailment affected some service between Rensselaer and
      > > Albany on Wednesday because cars and engines that normally would
      > > have
      > > made up those trains were trapped on the other side of the state,
      > > Turngren explained.
      > >
      > > While the railroad was hoping to run most morning trains
      > > between
      > > Rensselaer and New York City today, some trains would be canceled.
      > > Turngren said the railroad was in the process of calling as many
      > > customers with reserved seats as possible to update them on
      > > schedule
      > > changes.
      > >
      > > Turngren said Amtrak hopes to resume all regular service by
      > > Saturday.
      > >
      > > The derailment occurred in an industrialized section of
      > > Amsterdam, just east of the Route 30 bridge that connects Amsterdam
      > > to
      > > Interstate 90.
      > >
      > > Steve Terleckey and Mary McDowell were working in the office
      > > at
      > > Terleckey's firm when the train derailed. Despite the proximity to
      > > the
      > > crash, they both said they didn't realize that the sound they had
      > > heard emanated from the derailment. Trains routinely pass
      > > unnoticed.
      > >
      > > Terleckey said he thought what he had heard was the sound of
      > > the
      > > train slowing down. "It didn't sound terribly different," he said.
      > > They resumed work but then someone came in to tell them a train had
      > > derailed outside, McDowell said.
      > >
      > > "I went out to have a look. What a terrible mess," she said.
      > >
      > > (This item appeared in the Albany Times Union Oct. 13, 2005.)
    • Gerald Snyder
      Now let s remember where this occured. Probably ran over an old washing machine somebody dumped on the tracks. Jerry ... === message truncated ===
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 14, 2005
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        Now let's remember where this occured. Probably ran
        over an old washing machine somebody dumped on the
        tracks.
        Jerry
        --- Gino's Railpage <fjgrailroad@...> wrote:

        > No one wants to hear "equipment failure," they want
        > to hear that a
        > 'drunk' is running the train!
        >
        > Gino
        >
        > On 10/14/05, Stephen G. Myers <Knixrule1@...>
        > wrote:
        > >
        > > I read this and if I were not a railroad employee
        > I would think that the
        > > cause of the derailment was "driver" failure or
        > drug and alcohol induced.
        > > Very poor reporting. The cause was most likely a
        > journal bearing
        > > failure!
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:29:32 -0400 Gino's
        > Railpage
        > > <fjgrailroad@...> writes:
        > > > Albany train wreck snarls service
        > > >
        > > > AMSTERDAM, N.Y. -- A CSX freight train
        > derailed in this
        > > > city's
        > > > downtown Wednesday morning (Oct. 12), sending
        > 18 cars off the
        > > > tracks
        > > > including one that landed partially in the
        > Mohawk River,
        > > > authorities
        > > > told the Albany Times Union.
        > > > The 84-car train mangled east- and
        > west-bound tracks when it
        > > > jumped the rails at 8:20 a.m., sending boxcars
        > slamming into each
        > > > other and forcing suspension of all freight and
        > passenger rail
        > > > traffic
        > > > between Albany and Syracuse. Several of the
        > cars narrowly missed a
        > > > warehouse owned by Terleckey Brothers, a local
        > trucking and tire
        > > > firm.
        > > >
        > > > The cars that derailed were from the
        > middle of the train,
        > > > which
        > > > originated in Cincinnati, and the two-member
        > crew was unharmed. The
        > > > train was bound for the Selkirk yard just south
        > of Albany.
        > > >
        > > > A data recorder was retrieved from the
        > train and
        > > > investigators
        > > > will use it to try to determine what caused the
        > wreck. "That
        > > > information will be downloaded very soon," CSX
        > spokesman Maurice
        > > > O'Connell said.
        > > >
        > > > He said the engineer would be tested for
        > alcohol and drug
        > > > consumption as investigators search for a cause
        > of the derailment,
        > > > which occurred at a switching point on the
        > eastbound tracks in this
        > > > Montgomery County city.
        > > >
        > > > The cause of the derailment remained
        > under investigation, and
        > > > CSX officials are expected to probe possible
        > driver error, flaws in
        > > > the tracks or some other problem.
        > > >
        > > > Ten of the cars that derailed were empty,
        > including the car
        > > > that
        > > > landed in the river. That car contained a
        > residue of ignet, a
        > > > powdery
        > > > substance O'Connell likened to aluminum.
        > Department of
        > > > Environmental
        > > > Conservation officials said there was no risk
        > of contamination from
        > > > the car that landed in the river.
        > > >
        > > > Other cars contained loads of the
        > nontoxic powder, wood pulp
        > > > and
        > > > soy bean oil, officials said.
        > > >
        > > > The derailment was the first in recent
        > memory in Amsterdam.
        > > > The
        > > > accident is dwarfed by a derailment that
        > occurred in Fonda in
        > > > December
        > > > 1995, when 51 cars were knocked off the rails.
        > One of those had
        > > > been
        > > > carrying sodium hydroxide that spilled into
        > nearby farmland and
        > > > forced
        > > > the evacuation of homes.
        > > >
        > > > "We were very lucky. This could have been
        > a passenger train,"
        > > > Battalion Chief Walter Martin of the Amsterdam
        > Fire Department said
        > > > as
        > > > he watched CSX cranes pull the mangled cars
        > from the tracks.
        > > >
        > > > Once the cars were pulled from the
        > tracks, O'Connell said CSX
        > > > would repair the rails and hoped to have
        > service restored by this
        > > > morning.
        > > >
        > > > Amtrak suspended most upstate service and
        > bused 917
        > > > passengers
        > > > whose trains were stranded on either side of
        > the derailment. The
        > > > effort was intended to allow the passengers to
        > connect with trains
        > > > in
        > > > Syracuse and Rensselaer, said James Turngren,
        > Amtrak's district
        > > > superintendent for the Empire Corridor.
        > > >
        > > > The derailment affected some service
        > between Rensselaer and
        > > > Albany on Wednesday because cars and engines
        > that normally would
        > > > have
        > > > made up those trains were trapped on the other
        > side of the state,
        > > > Turngren explained.
        > > >
        > > > While the railroad was hoping to run most
        > morning trains
        > > > between
        > > > Rensselaer and New York City today, some trains
        > would be canceled.
        > > > Turngren said the railroad was in the process
        > of calling as many
        > > > customers with reserved seats as possible to
        > update them on
        > > > schedule
        > > > changes.
        > > >
        > > > Turngren said Amtrak hopes to resume all
        > regular service by
        > > > Saturday.
        > > >
        > > > The derailment occurred in an
        > industrialized section of
        > > > Amsterdam, just east of the Route 30 bridge
        > that connects Amsterdam
        > > > to
        > > > Interstate 90.
        > > >
        > > > Steve Terleckey and Mary McDowell were
        > working in the office
        > > > at
        > > > Terleckey's firm when the train derailed.
        > Despite the proximity to
        > > > the
        > > > crash, they both said they didn't realize that
        > the sound they had
        > > > heard emanated from the derailment. Trains
        > routinely pass
        > > > unnoticed.
        > > >
        > > > Terleckey said he thought what he had
        > heard was the sound of
        > > > the
        > > > train slowing down. "It didn't sound terribly
        > different," he said.
        > > > They resumed work but then someone came in to
        > tell them a train had
        > > > derailed outside, McDowell said.
        > > >
        > > > "I went out to have a look. What a
        > terrible mess," she said.
        > > >
        > > > (This item appeared in the Albany Times
        > Union Oct. 13, 2005.)
        >
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      • joseph Klapkowski
        That is exactly what I thought.
        Message 3 of 5 , Oct 14, 2005
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          That is exactly what I thought.


          >From: "Stephen G. Myers" <Knixrule1@...>
          >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Amsterdam Wreck
          >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:35:48 -0400
          >
          >
          >I read this and if I were not a railroad employee I would think that the
          >cause of the derailment was "driver" failure or drug and alcohol induced.
          > Very poor reporting. The cause was most likely a journal bearing
          >failure!
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:29:32 -0400 Gino's Railpage
          ><fjgrailroad@...> writes:
          > > Albany train wreck snarls service
          > >
          > > AMSTERDAM, N.Y. -- A CSX freight train derailed in this
          > > city's
          > > downtown Wednesday morning (Oct. 12), sending 18 cars off the
          > > tracks
          > > including one that landed partially in the Mohawk River,
          > > authorities
          > > told the Albany Times Union.
          > > The 84-car train mangled east- and west-bound tracks when it
          > > jumped the rails at 8:20 a.m., sending boxcars slamming into each
          > > other and forcing suspension of all freight and passenger rail
          > > traffic
          > > between Albany and Syracuse. Several of the cars narrowly missed a
          > > warehouse owned by Terleckey Brothers, a local trucking and tire
          > > firm.
          > >
          > > The cars that derailed were from the middle of the train,
          > > which
          > > originated in Cincinnati, and the two-member crew was unharmed. The
          > > train was bound for the Selkirk yard just south of Albany.
          > >
          > > A data recorder was retrieved from the train and
          > > investigators
          > > will use it to try to determine what caused the wreck. "That
          > > information will be downloaded very soon," CSX spokesman Maurice
          > > O'Connell said.
          > >
          > > He said the engineer would be tested for alcohol and drug
          > > consumption as investigators search for a cause of the derailment,
          > > which occurred at a switching point on the eastbound tracks in this
          > > Montgomery County city.
          > >
          > > The cause of the derailment remained under investigation, and
          > > CSX officials are expected to probe possible driver error, flaws in
          > > the tracks or some other problem.
          > >
          > > Ten of the cars that derailed were empty, including the car
          > > that
          > > landed in the river. That car contained a residue of ignet, a
          > > powdery
          > > substance O'Connell likened to aluminum. Department of
          > > Environmental
          > > Conservation officials said there was no risk of contamination from
          > > the car that landed in the river.
          > >
          > > Other cars contained loads of the nontoxic powder, wood pulp
          > > and
          > > soy bean oil, officials said.
          > >
          > > The derailment was the first in recent memory in Amsterdam.
          > > The
          > > accident is dwarfed by a derailment that occurred in Fonda in
          > > December
          > > 1995, when 51 cars were knocked off the rails. One of those had
          > > been
          > > carrying sodium hydroxide that spilled into nearby farmland and
          > > forced
          > > the evacuation of homes.
          > >
          > > "We were very lucky. This could have been a passenger train,"
          > > Battalion Chief Walter Martin of the Amsterdam Fire Department said
          > > as
          > > he watched CSX cranes pull the mangled cars from the tracks.
          > >
          > > Once the cars were pulled from the tracks, O'Connell said CSX
          > > would repair the rails and hoped to have service restored by this
          > > morning.
          > >
          > > Amtrak suspended most upstate service and bused 917
          > > passengers
          > > whose trains were stranded on either side of the derailment. The
          > > effort was intended to allow the passengers to connect with trains
          > > in
          > > Syracuse and Rensselaer, said James Turngren, Amtrak's district
          > > superintendent for the Empire Corridor.
          > >
          > > The derailment affected some service between Rensselaer and
          > > Albany on Wednesday because cars and engines that normally would
          > > have
          > > made up those trains were trapped on the other side of the state,
          > > Turngren explained.
          > >
          > > While the railroad was hoping to run most morning trains
          > > between
          > > Rensselaer and New York City today, some trains would be canceled.
          > > Turngren said the railroad was in the process of calling as many
          > > customers with reserved seats as possible to update them on
          > > schedule
          > > changes.
          > >
          > > Turngren said Amtrak hopes to resume all regular service by
          > > Saturday.
          > >
          > > The derailment occurred in an industrialized section of
          > > Amsterdam, just east of the Route 30 bridge that connects Amsterdam
          > > to
          > > Interstate 90.
          > >
          > > Steve Terleckey and Mary McDowell were working in the office
          > > at
          > > Terleckey's firm when the train derailed. Despite the proximity to
          > > the
          > > crash, they both said they didn't realize that the sound they had
          > > heard emanated from the derailment. Trains routinely pass
          > > unnoticed.
          > >
          > > Terleckey said he thought what he had heard was the sound of
          > > the
          > > train slowing down. "It didn't sound terribly different," he said.
          > > They resumed work but then someone came in to tell them a train had
          > > derailed outside, McDowell said.
          > >
          > > "I went out to have a look. What a terrible mess," she said.
          > >
          > > (This item appeared in the Albany Times Union Oct. 13, 2005.)
          > >
          > >
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