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  • Dick Ryall
    Could anyone really want Lurch for President?????
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      Could anyone really want Lurch for President?????

      paul larner wrote:
      >
      > Dick,
      >
      > In the first part of Franken's book, the part I've gotten to, he dismembers
      > Ann Coulter piece by piece fact for lies or distortions. When is a
      > distortion not a lie? If I ever get off this machine, I'll be reading some
      > more of that liberal dribble.
      >
      > On the subject of liberals and their inablility to see evil, you are on to
      > something there. Three other books on my bedstand this month are William
      > Blake's poem "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell," Freud's "Civilization and
      > Its Discontents" and Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil." Those little books
      > are next. They deal with this subject. What got me onto those tidbits was
      > a comment I heard about Jim Morrison's Band name "The Doors" coming from
      > Blakes poetry. Now there was a conflict of goodand evil.
      >
      > Your last paragraph about those who want to "kill all those who don't agree
      > with their views of religion and society" really is unsettling for its
      > truth. Fundamentalists of whatever ilk see things the same way, their way
      > or no way, and I believe we have many on this side of the pond who cloak
      > themselves as patriots while preaching a fundamental christianity. They
      > bomb abortion clinics (Eric Rudolph and his co-conspirators), government
      > buildings (Oklahoma City), drag black men behind their trucks and tie gays
      > to fence posts. Among their ranks are the Jew baiters and the kind of
      > people who locally painted anti black epithets on their neighbor's car and
      > home. If you're different, you don't belong. We are not beyond this yet.
      > We shouldn't need anti hate laws in this country.
      >
      > The popes fought the holy wars,and the French clerics during the
      > pre-revolutionary war years were the instigators of most of the hardship
      > between the French and English settlers. They conspired with France and the
      > Indians to send the pagans (English) to hell. Obviously the Pope had an
      > interest in seeing France succeed over Protestant England. They disagreed
      > fundamentally. And anglos still fight over religion in Ireland (not so long
      > ago in Quebec), rather than simply economics.
      >
      > Intolerance is deep in our cultural roots, it is an element of who we are as
      > Americans.
      >
      > George Carlin rhetorically asked in one of his bits, how much kinder and
      > gentler would the world have been if there never were religion? (Not a quote
      > but a synopsis). I don't know. My faith, at least the way I learned it,
      > taught me to respect and also endeavored to have me understand other points
      > of view. Admittedly this all came in college, and a Catholic one at that.
      >
      > Just for the record as I'm re-reading this. I oppose abortion at any time;
      > but I won't get between you and your conscience. Re: Carlin, I do not
      > subscribe to his thinking in all cases, but his views do offer food for
      > thought. Most often his thoughts are expressed too crudely for my taste,
      > perhaps it's to get my attention.
      >
      > The merits of whether the FJ&G could or would be rebuilt as a going concern
      > may be moot. In my opinion the FJ&G exemplifies the purest application of
      > capitalism. In 1932 the Republican Hoover Administration said no to a
      > financial bail out. So the company reorganized and lasted until the money
      > and interest died in 1973. In resurrection the Democratic state government
      > played a major part in funding its ability to operate; it lasted only ten
      > years. Should the government have carried it further than they did and put
      > up more money for a dead horse or were the Republicans right in 1932 by
      > staying out of it? There that's something said about the FJ&G.
      >
      > PKL
      >
      > >From: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
      > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > >CC: Richard Finn <rafinn@...>
      > >Subject: Re: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:39:32 -0400
      > >
      > >Actually, Ann Coulter is the Rights' answer to the Lefts' Molly Ivins.
      > >And her "facts" are more accurate than Ivin's, Franken's and Moore's.
      > >All that characters like that are doing is increasing the incivility of
      > >the political process and turning people off.
      > >
      > >Too bad that the Looney Left can not support their positions with
      > >facts, and instead resort to character assassination, name calling, and
      > >blaming the US for all of the World's problems. (one of my Lefty
      > >friends blamed George Bush for the Red Sox demise) One of the worst
      > >offenders is my own beloved senior Senator, Teddy Kennedy. But Howard
      > >Dean and Albert Gore do a pretty good job of it too.
      > >
      > >Seriously for a moment, I believe that there is something in Liberals'
      > >psyches that does not allow them to see Evil, or evil in people. But
      > >that is not the world as it is. The people who want to destroy our
      > >society do not play patty cake; they murder all those who do not agree
      > >with their views of religion and society.
      > >
      > >There, now I got my 2 cents in too.
      > >
      > >Dick
      > >
      > >"Peace is not the absence of War, Peace is the absence of Evil"
      > >
      > >On Aug 9, 2004, at 7:37 PM, Dicarlo, Gino wrote:
      > >
      > > > Al Franken is a jerk who doesn't want to hear anyone's opinion
      > > > But his own!!! Just like big fat Michael Moore!!! The Times
      > > > Union is a LIBERAL news paper! They've got Liberal jerks like
      > > > Molly Ivens who does nothing but infuriate me!
      > > >
      > > > Gino
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
      > > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:03 PM
      > > > To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Heinz has sent NO jobs overseas, though they do manufacture and sell
      > > > overseas in the same manner Honda and others manufacture in the US.
      > > >
      > > > Do read the perspective section of the Times Union for Sunday August
      > > > 8.
      > > >
      > > > Couple of good opinion pieces there.
      > > >
      > > > An opinion is only has good as the knowledge and wisdom that supports
      > > > it.
      > > > Strictly and simply speaking, historians dwell in the past; educators
      > > > use
      > > > the past to understand the present and shape the future; wise men
      > > > invest
      > > > on
      > > > the outcome, either way.
      > > >
      > > > Just started reading Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who
      > > > Tell
      > > > Them" - price went down to $10. at Walmart. So far it is a good read;
      > > > can't
      > > > beat the facts.
      > > >
      > > > Isn't it interesting that the US blew the cover of the mole that
      > > > infiltrated
      > > > the Al Quaida in Pakistan.
      > > >
      > > > PKL
      > > >
      > > > PKL
      > > >
      > > > >From: "Dicarlo, Gino" <Gino.Dicarlo@...>
      > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:19:20 -0500
      > > > >
      > > > >Everything forwarded on the web is always false, most always Urban
      > > > >Legend!!! But I love any message that is forwarded and slams the
      > > > >Ding-Bat Democrats. Bill Clinton was a farce of a president!!!! If
      > > > and
      > > >
      > > > >when Commissar Kerry (And his billionaire wife)get into the White
      > > > House
      > > >
      > > > >get ready to have all your taxes jacked up! You yellow- Bellied
      > > > >Democrats can bad mouth the Republicans all you want, but all The
      > > > >Democrats do is tax the rich and give to welfare scum-bags! Kerry
      > > > keeps
      > > >
      > > > >talking about the two Americas and the rich and blah, blah, Blah.
      > > > What
      > > >
      > > > >category does his Billionaire wife fall into? And he talks Bout jobs
      > > > >being sent over seas. How many jobs has Heinz sent over Seas
      > > > lately?
      > > > >Hypocrite!!!!
      > > > >
      > > > >There, I've been badgered by every Democrat I know, it was my turn To
      > > > >say how I felt about Democrat (Liberal/Socialist) politicians. This
      > > > is
      > > > >no slam on Democratic voters. Most Democrats I know are hard Worker
      > > > >who think that people like Bill/Hillary Clinton, Ted (Drunk) Kennedy
      > > > >and John Kerry really care about them and good middle class
      > > > >Hard-workers! No, they only care about dead-beat welfare scammers...
      > > > >
      > > > >Gino
      > > > >
      > > > >-----Original Message-----
      > > > >From: paul larner [mailto:pklarner@...]
      > > > >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:59 AM
      > > > >To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >Good, Pete. I receive an awful lot of nonsense from a"railroad"
      > > > friend
      > > >
      > > > >(there, Gino, I at least used the word - he knows about the "FJ&G
      > > > too)
      > > > >who made the mistake (I hope) of replying once to one of the neo-con
      > > > >sites) I
      > > > >usually go to google and check the references and respond. In "all"
      > > > >cases
      > > > >they are bunk. The irony is that I never get anything so vicious or
      > > > >false
      > > > >from the left.
      > > > >
      > > > >Folks fail to concentrate on the future and the respective party
      > > > >platforms falling for these short stories and sound bites.
      > > > >
      > > > >PKL
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > >From: "peter sefton" <psefton@...>
      > > > > >Reply-To: FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > >To: <FJGRailroad@yahoogroups.com>
      > > > > >Subject: RE: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > > > > >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:15:57 -0400
      > > > > >
      > > > > >No offense, Malcolm, but these stories have been shown to be "urban
      > > > > >legends".
      > > > > >
      > > > > >The "Mohamed Atta" who blew up the bus in Israel was not the same
      > > > > >person as the WTC hijacker-this story has been debunked in a
      > > > variety
      > > > > >of
      > > > >
      > > > > >news reports, including the Jeruselem Post, which wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > >"Last week, many news organizations, including The Boston Globe,
      > > > > >reported that US authorities believed Atta had attacked a
      > > > commercial
      > > > > >bus in Israel in 1986. But Second Circuit US Court of Appeals
      > > > records
      > > >
      > > > > >show that was a case of mistaken identity. Another man, a
      > > > naturalized
      > > >
      > > > > >US citizen who used the alias of Mahmoud Atta, was arrested in that
      > > > > >attack."
      > > > > >
      > > > > >The terrorist who Ollie North said caused him to install a home
      > > > > >security system was Abu Nidal, not Osama Bin Ladden. In fact, Osama
      > > > > >Bin
      > > > >
      > > > > >Ladden was receiving U.S. $$$ to battle the Russians in Afganistan
      > > > > >during the Regan years.
      > > > > >
      > > > > >You can read an exhaustively researched examination of these
      > > > stories
      > > > > >at
      > > > >
      > > > > >http://www.snopes.com/rumors/atta.htm#add
      > > > > >
      > > > > >Peter Sefton
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > >-----Original Message-----
      > > > > >From: Malcolm Horton [mailto:mdhorton@...]
      > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 11:43 PM
      > > > > >To: FJ&G Yahoogroups
      > > > > >Subject: [FJGRailroad] Things to think about
      > > > > >
      > > > > >Greetings,
      > > > > >
      > > > > >The attached message was received from a friend via e-mail. I am
      > > > > >passing it on to you as "things to think about".
      > > > > >
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